Remember the Nixon funeral?

[tom_paine]

Remember how surreal it was? Now I see it in retrospect. The reality of the Nixon history was given the Old Dead Soviet whitewash.

How NONE, not a drop of Nixon's history was reveiwed. A few tiny clips of Watergate with a few comments, but most of it centered on how "troubled" and "controversial" he was.

There was no in depth discussion in detail of Watergate or the enormity of the crime. From Rove and his fellow footsoldiers, who conspired to force Muskie from the race to the dark Nixonviks who taught him the trade he hs honed, perfected and taken to criminal levels undoubtedly not seen in probably 50 years, maybe 80.

Now I see in retrospect...the infrastructure of the Party-Loyal Sub-Media already filled in and ready to trumpet or let pass by in silence whatever came along, taking the nearly supine shell of our once Free Press in it's wake.

There was some comment, here and there, in Newsweek or such, how odd it was that Nixon, a criminal, was presented so lopsidedly (some liberal media). Now I see. The bullying cries of "liberal media" at anyone who violated the New Political Correctness kept them from even daring to examine the "Nixon Legacy". How could they be allowed to do it if they were going to be Nixoning (and 10X worse) us again? Combine that with the trumpeting power of the Party-Loyal Sub-Media, admittedly not at as great a power as it is today, but still ramping towards the Attempted Coup of 1998.

It all seems so clear now.

Just imagine how it will be with Augustus Reagan somewhere between July and October 2004 when they finish him off or unplug him (ready or not, there you go, Ronnie)...

:puke: :scared: :grr: :grr: :grr:

What it your take on this...is it an accurate assessment. Am I remembering what hapend wrong? What is your take on that?

[MuseRider]

1. You know,

I did not pay too much attention, I had hated him so much. I DO remember almost having a "good" feeling about him after the fact though and I remember thinking that was really odd. Now that is the most scary thing about this media issue. I did not watch, did not pay too much attention but it still affected me that much.

[tom_paine]

7. Yep. It's damned insidious. Evil brilliance.

All I have to do is think back to October 2000. I was just beginning to slightly shake my head awake, so to speak.

And I also had been having discussions about Bush v. Gore at work with a Born-Again Wingnut. But not an asshole or anything, quite nice and charitable but fully sucked in to Goebbels v2.0. And I would guess I would have to say that, for the most part, so was I (not THAT way, of course, I could see Bush was a stupid mean Neocon, but sucked into certain aspects of the Fantasy Bubble). And I can still hear myself reluctantly saying, "Yeah, the media IS kinda liberal."

Or hear myself saying lazily in Summer 1999, "Yeah I'm not too sure about Gore. Suddenly I got a neagtive vibe about him." when I knew his career and that, as politicians go, he was a Good Man (so did the rest of the country, until the Right-Wing Smear machine got started with him).

What a fool I was. What fools we allowed ourselves to be. Now we are playing 20 years of catchup for the Fate of the Liberty and the World, ultimately. And still the vast majority of our citizens sleep, or are sucked in to the hypnotizing Mighty Wurlitzer.

But I still remember quite clearly the barrier fog that Party-Loyal Right-Wing Sub-Media and Corporate Tv Pravda lays down around your head. Now that I've pierced it.

[MuseRider]

29. Thanks for saying that.

I was awfully embarrased to say that I had started to get a good feeling about Nixon. My life was so busy then that I did not really feel it happening. Now we all know better.

[htuttle]

26. There's a way you can avoid that...

PUT ON THE GLASSES!



Actually, what goes on is very much like marketing. In fact, it is marketing. What marketing is, is not selling things, but affecting people's minds and emotions, planting suggestions, creating desires, etc...

Selling soap, selling policy, selling a war, or selling a version of history -- they all use a lot of the same techniques. It involves far, far more than simply making attractive signs and displays, however. Some of the techniques and research marketing has started doing in the last 20 years starts to look a lot like subliminal mind control.

[MuseRider]

28. That movie creeped me out

BIG time. Just saw it for the first time a few months ago. Yes, we should have started to worry when we heard all the research going on about marketing and all of a sudden everything was marketing.

[stevedeshazer]

2. I remember it well

You are right. There was muted talk about "controversy", an incredible understatement, yet praise for opening up "Red China" for trade and table tennis. No mention whatsoever of how he teamed with Henry Kissinger to kill millions of innocent people.

History was "re-made."

No mention of his "secret plan" to end the VietNam War.

No mention of Pol Pot or napalm.

No mention of the coup in Chile.

No mention of the secret tapes or the eighteen-minute "gap."

No mention of his crooked vice-President who resigned in shame.

No mention of his impending impeachment and subsequent trial in the Senate, which he avoided by resigning.

The Radical Right wants all this erased from the pages of history, and they are succeeding.

:grr:

[buycitgo]

3. if anything, you've understated the case

hard to believe, unless you saw tweetster last week, braying about the dishonest portrayal of RR in that movie the pugs got all hydrophobic over.

he went on to babble some inanities about how the DEMS can't admit what a great president he was, crap like that. just unimaginable, Bozell/Norquist-level hyperbole.

That was the last time I watched that channel......it's off my flipmem, along with Faux, and soon to be CNN

utter waste of time, as many others have mentioned.

plenty of other places to get real news.

here are two, just to refresh memories

http://www.gregpalast.com

http://www.consortiumnews.com

speaking of which,

check this story there:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2003/120103.html


Political pundits and even some Democrats are taking the national Democratic Party to task for “losing” the South, a trend that’s viewed as a key reason why the Republicans and George W. Bush are today’s odds-on favorites to hold and expand their power in next year’s elections.

In his new book A National Party No More, retiring Sen. Zell Miller, a Georgia Democrat, berated his party for effectively telling the South to “go to hell” and warned that the Democrats are inviting the fate of the Whig Party in the late 1850s. Similarly, New York Times columnist Nicholas D. Kristof has depicted Democrats as out of step with the trend toward Christian fundamentalism, which is especially strong in the South. “The most striking cleavage is the God Gulf, and it should terrify the Democrats,” Kristof wrote in a column on Nov. 12.

But as trendy as it might be to blame the Democratic Party for Southern white flight into Republican arms, the answer is not as simple as these commentators suggest, nor is the trend necessarily as politically dire for the Democrats. Indeed, the Republicans could be hurt – both in the near- and long-term – if they are viewed as pandering to the remnants of racial intolerance and to the anti-gay bias of many Christian fundamentalists.

There is also an argument that the South, with its higher poverty rates and relatively greater dependence on federal social programs, may need the Democratic Party as much as the Democrats need the South. The political irony of the party realignment is that many white Southerners, who have benefited disproportionately from the help of the federal government, are effectively delivering themselves into the hands of Republican leaders who malign the federal government and are closely allied with giant corporations.

favorite stat, and reason for the south to PLEASE secede again (don't let the door hit you, etc)

Of the 13 southern states, only 2 send more federal tax dollars to Washington than the federal government spends within those states (Texas gets 96¢ and Georgia gets 99¢ for every tax dollar sent to Washington). Every other southern state receives an economic benefit for sending their tax dollars to Washington. For example, Oklahoma gets $1.46 back, Alabama gets $1.54 back and Mississippi trails only New Mexico and North Dakota for return on its federal tax dollar getting $1.78 back for every dollar sent to Washington.

[deminflorida]

4. I may be a Democrat but I have respect for Presidents when they

die, sorry...

Lets not go in the Freeper Gutter here...

O.K.

[stevedeshazer]

5. Give me a respectable dead President

And I will show respect.

[tom_paine]

11. Your missing the point, and no one is going into the Freeper Gutter

Were talking about an honest versus dishonest assessment of the man's life when he was a poltical figure.

Do you think there will be NO mention of Monica Lewinsky when Clinton shuffles off the mortal coil. Both of them, come to think about it.

When I think about the Orwellian Double Standard that now exists in Imperial Amerika, I feel like Old Benjamin in "Animal Farm".

Do you understand what I am talking about here? Nixon commited serious crimes here. Far worse than lying about a Blow Job and yet...

I'd say watch what happens at the Clintons' funeral. Of course, unless they are killed by the Imperial Family or their patsies, that will be a long time coming. And if you still can't figure it out by then, you're in bad shape.

This is about Soviet-Level revisionist history of a type that should not be tolerated in supposely Free Nations.

[TennesseeWalker]

6. It was the man's FUNERAL.

What would you have them do? We're all equal in death, and no one is either all good or all bad, and few people are truly evil. Nixon did some bad things, but all can be forgiven.

Turn the other cheek and chill out.

[tom_paine]

12. No. See post #11

I understand the principle of de mortus nihil nisi bonum (say nothing but good of the dead), but there is a larger issue at work here.

See post #11.

[bobbieinok]

8. I remember reports about the funeral.

Despised him; couldn't watch or listen.

I was sorry Clinton had to make some polite comments.

The only commentary I could stand was Hunter Thompson's in Rolling Stone. (Even McGovern said nice things.)

Thompson said basically

...I hated him then.

...My grandma hated him.

...My son hated him.

...My dog hated him.

........And I still hate him today. His death does NOT cancel out all he did wrong.

[Padraig18]

15. My Granny, and ardent Democrat, remarked:

"I won't believe the son-of-a-bitch is dead until they open the coffin and show me the corpse with a stake driven through it's heart."

We Irish know how to hate...

[Vadem]

23. LOL, Padraig18. My own Irish/Scottish grandmother and ...

yellow dog Democrat said on the attempted assassination of Reagan that Hinckley needed to have his eyes checked! I was horrified at the time.

[DuctapeFatwa]

9. My Nixon Funeral Teaching Moment Story

skip this if you like, it doesn't exactly relate to the very observant original post, or maybe it does, in a surreal way.

When the funeral was on TV, I happened to be in a place where someone was teaching English to people from warmer countries.

Remember how calm, how contained Julie and Tricia were? Tricia did have that one glistening nose drop, that hung off her nose, and she did not wipe it away, she did not flinch, she did not even twitch. And you know how that feels - when you have that drop it tickles and itches that it is not humanly possible to just let it hang.

The people in the class were shocked. Scandalized. No matter WHAT he did, they said, those are his CHILDREN, his FAMILY! What kind of person is so cold, so devoid of human feeling that they don't even cry for their FATHER?

The teacher pointed out Tricia's nose. You all know how that feels, she said, look at her, she doesn't even move. This is part of American culture. The girls are showing their love and respect for their father by demonstrating how well he taught them self-control. It would shame him if they cried in public.

The class shook its collective head, pondering, as they stared at Tricia's drop. It never fell.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

10. Um, this is a silly thread.

Should they have brought up his entire past and criticized his presidency, at HIS FUNERAL?!!

[tom_paine]

13. How do you think they are going to cover the Clintons' funeral?

See Post #11.

[TennesseeWalker]

19. Are you talking about discussions of Nixon after his death...OR

actually saying what a sorry individual he was DURING the funeral? I remember plenty of Watergate discussions and talk about the legacy of Nixon, and I remember most all of it being very dark.

[bobbieinok]

17. No, of course not.

The point is, for a month or longer (maybe even to today) there was NO general media negative comment about Nixon.

It was like: he died, so we can all forget about Watergate, and his hate of the anti-war students and other protestors.

Before his death, the media spent several years remaking him into an 'elder statesman' who opened up China, etc.

[David Zephyr]

14. "Extra, Extra Nixon Laid to Rest, Get Your Ticket to Graceland West"

This was the title of an op-ed I wrote at the time of Nixon's funeral in Yorba Linda's Nixon Library which, apparently was found to be so offensive that the Pasadena Star Tribune made a commentary on it.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

16. I could hear the 21 gun salute they gave him from my house that day

I looked at my housemate and said "They're doing that to make sure the fucker is dead."

[Padraig18]

18. LOL! Read my comment #15.

You and my Granny would get along well, I wager. ;)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

21. No doubt

Funny..I was just at his graveside last week though...and I gotta admit...i LIKED Pat Nixon.

[David Zephyr]

24. Pat Nixon Once Worked at the Old Bullock's Wilshire.

I used to love shopping there after eating at Langer's Deli on Alvardo.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

25. mmmmm Langer's!

[David Zephyr]

27. Yes, Langers!

It doesn't get much better. :hi:

[David Zephyr]

22. You Are a Very Wicked Woman.

Wicked. Wicked. Wicked.

[bleedingheart]

20. you know what...Nancy Reagan is like Livia

to Augustus Reaganitis...

[tom_paine]

30. Disagree...Babs Bush is Livia if anyone is.

Did you ever hear her when she speaks with the "cameras off". She could well indeed be Livia.

That would make Poppy Augustus. Ronnie...Julius?

Either way I don't like one bit seeing American leaders get the Old Dead Soviet Treatment...