LA Times poll of DNC members: Dean more than doubles his nearest rival

[pruner]

Dean 32
Gephardt 15
Kerry 14
Clark 7
Edwards 5
Kucinich 1
Sharpton 1
Braun 1

The Times Poll, under the direction of Susan Pinkus, interviewed 327 of 386 selected DNC members. Those who traditionally stay neutral until the nomination fight is settled — such as national Chairman Terry McAuliffe — were not included, nor were committee members living abroad.

The survey began Dec. 4 and ended Thursday; on Monday, word surfaced that former Vice President Al Gore would endorse Dean the next day. The nod from Gore appears to have benefited Dean among these party insiders.

Twenty-nine percent of DNC members surveyed before the endorsement said they backed Dean. Of the members surveyed after Gore's announcement, 44% favored Dean.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-na-dnc13dec13,1,7994078.story?coll=la-home-headlines

[RevolutionStartsNow]

1. That's an interesting poll

Here's a snippet from the article:

"Thirty percent of DNC members said Dean would be the most vigorous nominee the party could put up in 2004, while 14% cited Clark. Gephardt and Kerry were named by 13% each. A year ago, 2% chose Dean."

Who are these people saying Dean can't beat Bush, or at least that the others have a better chance of beating him? Hmmm.

[slinkerwink]

3. so Dean is unelectable? Ha, this poll doesn't seem to think so

;-)

[pruner]

5. exactly…

As a testament to Dean's increased strength, he is now seen as the candidate best able to defeat Bush.

Thirty percent of DNC members said Dean would be the most vigorous nominee the party could put up in 2004, while 14% cited Clark. Gephardt and Kerry were named by 13% each. A year ago, 2% chose Dean.

:)

[RevolutionStartsNow]

10. No, it sure doesn't

And these are party "insiders". Not sure what it means exactly, but I like it. I think many people would have predicted a different outcome in a poll like this. :)

[SahaleArm]

2. David T. McDonald - Dean backer and national committee member

And Partner in Preston, Ellis, & Gates: http://www.prestongates.com/meetpge/pro.asp?proID=377

That would explain the Gates, Sr. association and large WA State fundraising capabilities.

[pruner]

4. what exactly are you trying to say?

I don't get it.

[SahaleArm]

6. WA State is Dean's fourth largest fundraiser - It's not a big state

He's got a lot of Dem insiders in this state working on his campaign. Just makes more sense after seeing some of the players, including McDonald and Pam Eakes.

[pruner]

7. 8,000-10,000 people showed up for a Seattle rally this summer…

I think it's fair to say he's got some outsiders supporting him in WA too.

[SahaleArm]

8. Yes but he's had the political machinery behind him well before that

He's also raising buckets of cash from this state and it isn't the $70 variety.

[pruner]

9. cite me stats showing what %age of the $ he raised in WA was above $250

[SahaleArm]

11. You want me to do your research?

Happy hunting :): http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/politics/contributions/search.pl

[pruner]

12. yeah… I was kinda hoping you would

:)

[RevolutionStartsNow]

13. Um, you said "he's raising buckets of cash...not of the $70 variety"

So where's the evidence?

How much cash is in a "bucket", anyway?

[SahaleArm]

14. Significant I'm sure

The public records are right there, find a zip-code map and plug-in the data to find the contributors, easy:). I'd say a bucket could hold anywhere from $100-$2000...

[slinkerwink]

15. but we don't know their names, their zip codes, or their companies

so your post to that search engine doesn't matter for out-of-state DUers.

[SahaleArm]

19. RIF - "find a zip-code map " *nm*

[RevolutionStartsNow]

17. Why would I do that?

I don't believe you are correct. Unless of course you want to post some facts.

[SahaleArm]

18. I could care less what you think - And you can change your logo...

back to Dean.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

22. Why?

I like DK and I am dismayed and angry about what ABC did.

I will vote for Dean in the primaries but part of my heart will always belong to DK.

But that was a funny subject: "I could care less what you think" and "You can change your logo back to Dean." File that under: How to Contradict Oneself in 15 Words or Less!

[SahaleArm]

23. Not really

One was referring to your statement the other to your rush to save Dean:)

[RevolutionStartsNow]

24. Save him from what?

The facts? Which facts were those?

Oh, I get it, you said "I could care less". Now I get it. You care A LOT. Thanks. :)

(Damn, I'm a smartass. Sorry. You walked into that one.)

[SahaleArm]

25. Never let the facts get in the way

It's also not a good idea to laugh when looking in the mirror:evilgrin:

[RevolutionStartsNow]

27. Facts? Did I miss a post?

I'm perfectly prepared to respond to any "facts" you may have, but so far I haven't seen any. Just something fuzzy about "buckets of cash."

But you're giving it a valiant try.

[SahaleArm]

28. I've given relevent information...

but I'm not going to do your research:).

[RevolutionStartsNow]

29. Why is this my research?

I didn't make the claim. I don't believe it or have any reason to. You haven't posted any facts yet. I'll check it out if you do. Who's got time to chase down all the silly accusations that get posted on this board?

On the other hand, if Dean is getting a lot of contributions from people who live in Washington State, that makes me happy. I don't need to do research to know that Dean is a successful fundraiser.

[SahaleArm]

30. You seemed to care enough to ask the question :) *nm*

[RevolutionStartsNow]

31. Nah, I don't really care

Just messin' with you, because your behavior was sort of annoying, posting an accusation with no facts.

I was hoping you would try to back up your accusations with facts, so we could have a real discussion about whether Dean raising "buckets of cash" in Washington was a good thing or a bad thing. But I guess you won't. Odd, since you seem to have the info you need. Did you do the research, or just throwing stuff out there?

[SahaleArm]

32. It's not a bad thing but I never considered Dean an outsider...

Especially living in Seattle. Accusing Dean of raising lots of money isn't exactly damning:).

[RevolutionStartsNow]

33. Cool, thanks

I thought you were suggesting that there was something shady going on with Dean's fundraising in Washington. Or that it was bad if he was raising a lot of money.

Raising lots of money is indeed a good thing. Personally I've given $2000 to the Dean campaign, and my husband (the Republican) has given almost $1000 so far.

[eileen_d]

21. Here's Microsoft...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/politics/contributions/search.pl

God, I hate Steve Ballmer. What a surprise he donated to Bush & Cheney... not.

Edit: And here's a zip code finder:
http://www.usps.com/zip4/citytown_zip.htm

[SahaleArm]

26. Zip List

http://www.ip2location.com/zipcodes/WA.htm

[QC]

16. So does this mean he's no longer the outsider revolutionary?

I mean, if all these dreaded "insiders" are supporting him, he can't really claim to be Che Guevara, can he?

[SahaleArm]

20. He's about as much of an outsider as I am an insider...

In other words, not much.

[Eloriel]

36. That doesn't seem to be the view of the party establishment

Or, put another way -- you have a unique definition of "insider," one they don't share.

[slinkerwink]

34. kick

[ErasureAcer]

35. I now believe the DNC are centrists all the way...

a ploy that will turn me and many other off to voting for the their moderate candidate.