Kucinich second in polls..this is unbelievable

[Ksec]

Check this out. I am floored over this. Go DK!

Kucinich is now, with a usual estimate of two percent support in most polls, where Clinton Was in the Months before the Start of the 1991 Primaries.



http://www.utne.com/web_special/web_specials_2003-12/articles/11008-1.html

[xultar]

1. Nice, I like DK!! n/t

[fabius]

2. Hey that's cool!

I admire Kucinich even more after the so-called debate with media ho' Koppel.

[Myra]

3. All polls are unbelievable. But at least I like this one!

eom

[Ksec]

6. This one goes by activity on web sites

from what I could gather. If this is right it shows lots of grass roots gathering for DK

[corporatewhore]

4. Not so unbelievable

ibelieve he is the only moderate cannidate

[jjmalonejr]

5. DK ripped Koppell a new one!

I was glad to see Kerry and Dean also slamming on Koppell for that sham of a debate, but Kucinich really let loose. His best debate performance to date!

[Ksec]

7. that will be DKs defining moment I believe nt

[frustrated_lefty]

8. Good for DK!

He's such a good man. :)

[Tinoire]

9. Here's a graph to go with that

It's really not that unbelievable. His message is irresistable to working people and all the independent, unfreeped polls I've been tracking show him in the number 1 or 2 spot.

This is why we're suddenly seeing a big push from certain quarters for the "unelectables" to drop out of the race. The marginalization didn't work thanks to the internet and hard work of his supporters.

It is indeed very good news for Progressives.

[Kanary]

11. Would explain the call to drop out

Great chart.

Thanks!

Kanary

[Tinoire]

32. Ah the call to drop out- what a joke

First the unelecatable meme, then the marginalization, and when that didn't work we got Koeppel asking him outright in the debates (oh I LOVED it when Dennis STOMPED HIM!) and then a slew of threads right here at DU to that effect. Here are two from GD today :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=901312
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=892837#896108

Check your in-box for a present... :)

[Kanary]

42. Oh yeah, those threads... but, no joke

That was the subhuman neolib who planted his foot in my face.

Ohhhh, a present! Mucho megalo mahalo!

Kanary, glad to have stayed up long enough to get this good news!

[tlcandie]

21. Tinoire...you are the greatest!!!

:loveya:

[mmm]

24. agreed!

[Tinoire]

34. You too!

Thanks :)

Kucinich 2004!

[Tinoire]

33. Thanks!

(blush)

Check your in-box also!

Kucinich 2004!

[tlcandie]

45. Thanks Tinoire!!!

/crosses fingers for the gift to work!!! :+

[Tinoire]

50. Sent to you again... My mistake :( n/t

[tlcandie]

53. ahhh k pardon me while I test the gift YET again!

LoL

[snoochie]

10. I think a lot of us Kucitizens

saw this coming a while back.

What was that saying? You can fool some of the people all of the time... or something like that? ;)

I think the luck of the power elite is finally running out (again). They tried so hard to avoid getting set back by another FDR. They may still succeed. Heck they stole the last one, right?

People are getting fed up. They want health care. They want jobs. One candidate is able to deliver both, without having to whore out to do it.

[Ksec]

13. wouldnt this be something if he comes out of nowhere

and no media respect to win the nomination? DK is genuine. I am guilty of underestimating him and thinking I would be wasting my vote , he was my choice when this started a year ago, but I bought into the negative stereotype. I wonder how many others fall into this category???? Im bettin theres lots and lots

[snoochie]

15. Yes it would, but it certainly wouldn't be the first time he did it

And yes, I think there's lots, and lots, and lots.

Fasten your seatbelts... this will get interesting indeed.

[Kanary]

17. He's done it before

and I believed he could do it again.

But, I gotta admit... I was getting a bit nervous as time went on.

This is great news!

Kanary

[Ksec]

19. Yep, its gonna get real interesting indeed

Ive been such a fool!!!! Underestimating my own hearts choice!

OK Im overreacting but my faith in humanity is being restored.

[snoochie]

23. Yes, scare tactics are effective

They play on our basest fears, and inspire us to react in the most atavistic way. Without thought, or consideration... only out of fear. It's so counterproductive. But when you're trying to manipulate, you can find few tactics that produce such successful results.

But really, think about it. You're only doing your party a favor. You're telling them that this selloutitis will not stand. You may have to face disappointment but you can still proudly vote against the shrub in the GE. :)

And if it goes well, and he gets the nom? You get to feel the pride and satisfaction of knowing you helped put that thorn in the shrub's side once the real fight begins. Watching these two men go head to head will be unbelievably satisfying.

Additionally, watching him show the country what our media has really sunk to will probably be even MORE gratifying. Who said you had to kiss big media a$$ to get elected? I for one would love to see them proved so very wrong. We saw the response ourselves. What should we believe? The fear mongerers or our own eyes?

[Ksec]

28. great post Snoochie That was well written

The only thing holding us back is ourselves . Im back onboard. Well actually I never left, I was sidetracked by believing the crap I read and watched from media who have an agenda (that doesnt include the people or their needs)

[Kanary]

35. Welcome back to the fold, Ksec!

You're back on the peacetrain!

Kanary

[snoochie]

37. Thanks

You should give yourself a pat on the back for having the courage to step outside your comfort zone. :) It's really the only way to grow, IMO.

[liberalmuse]

36. Who wants media respect?

These are the same people who have their lips so firmly stuck to Bush's ass that the only way to remove them is to burn them off with a cigarette. People are fed up, and much angrier than the media has led us to believe. I'm glad to see Kucinich jump like this. Gee, I guess you don't have to cow-tow to Bush in order to win over people in what should be the opposition party. Go figure? This is great news!

[FDRrocks]

25. Abe Lincoln quote

"You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. But you cannot fool all of the people all of the time."

[snoochie]

30. hehe, yes

Being a bit sarcastic there.

Oh and may I take this opportunity to suggest a couple of books, while we're on the topic of manipulating people and that sort of thing -- The Power Elite, by C. Wright Mills; and A People's History of the United States, by Howard Zinn.

Howard Zinn has endorsed Dennis Kucinich. Chomsky has come very close to doing the same. I don't think he does endorsements, but he's spoken quite well of him.

If anyone else has more info about Chomsky's comments, please share. As of yet I've not seen a cite for it.

[corporatewhore]

12. Hes got the vote of

dems (icant tell you howmany people tellthey think he is the best cannidate) greens hell even conservatives like him for his stance of free trade

[eileen_d]

14. Is that Jello Biafra?

Love that shirt... miss the Dead Kennedys (hey, that's DK too! coincidence?)

[corporatewhore]

27. yep i first heard DK speak at national campus greens convention

and Jello was the MC had nothing but praises of him audience went wild and several times stood up and applauded during his speech

[snoochie]

16. Wow

I'd never seen that picture of the Kennedy's before. I like Jello even more now. Thanks for posting it. :)

[FDRrocks]

18. Liberals cannot win...

The media, The DLC, the RNC, and DU want you to believe it.

[Droopy]

46. Man, DK has been getting lots of attention lately.

A lot of positive things have been said about him. I'm glad he's finally getting some props. There was a while there where I was wondering where all the Kucinich supporters were.

[FDRrocks]

56. Agreed ...

I believe his run is the key. I mean, the far right is doin so well, 50% of the country doesn't vote, the left isn't really represented. I think Kucinich could blow a hole in the political system. I know that if any of the 'mainstream' candidates gets nominated and possibly elected, out amazingly corrupt system will keep turning.

[tlcandie]

20. Truly exciting... for those who like visuals in case you didn't catch

it in the new 'Daily Dem' section...

I encourage each of you to not skip through the intro and let it sink in...allow it to sync with today and replace Seabiscuit with Dennis! Enjoy

http://www.seabiscuitonline.com/


http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808437039&cf=trailer&intl=us

THE DREAMS OF A NATION RIDE ON A LONGSHOT
• 'Seabiscuit' Teaser Trailer

The Lil' Guy; Impossible Dream; and Increadible Odds
• 'Seabiscuit' Teaser Trailer No. 2

Finding hope in unlikely places and Matters of the heart
'Seabiscuit' Theatrical Trailer

Though he be but little, he be feared...
• "That's Shakespeare"

The prize in the punchbowl...Odds
• "Seventy To One"

Unelectability...oopsie I mean unwinable!
• "Match Race"

Faith, hope, inspiration, and history that becomes legendary
• "Showbiz Networks: Seabiscuit Premiere"

Sparked the imagination of America like no other; succeeded because he was given a chance; what we can do when we begin to see the best in each other
• "Showbiz Networks: Seabiscuit Premiere" WARNING: long



At any rate, I hope that at the minimum you are inspired by watching the clips and encouraged to watch the true story of a long shot who made history to become a legend! How did he do it? He had HEART and refused to quit for those who loved and cared for him!

[Ksec]

22. BOY oh Boy , Seabisquit would be comparable if DK can pull this off.

Ill look those sites over tomorrow when I have a fast connection. Seabisquit ! Yea baby

[camero]

26. It's official, I am now for DK.

I was gonna wait and see how all of the candidates were like in their backgrounds but DK looks like our best hope.

[Ksec]

31. see, we gained a few votes in only a few minutes .

Me and Camero. Very cool . Lets do this thing !

[camero]

40. There is a strong populist underpinning in the electorate

If he does like he did in the last debate in future debates, he could be like Clinton in 92.

Yeah, lets do it. We will prevail.

[PretzelWarrior]

41. yeah! and w/those few..increase K's support by 80%.

way to go! now if we can only get the other 98% of active voters who want Bush out to listen to his message.

[tlcandie]

44. Just be yourself and passionate about your candidate...

trying to change others' doesn't work :D Tinoire is a great example and John Kleeb..heck all of you are just fantastic.

[tlcandie]

43. Welcome back you two!

:grouphug:

[Kanary]

47. Yeeehaw! Camero!

You have good taste, and made a great pick!

Have you seen his video? Or his book?

It's been a pleasure to keep chatting with you today.

Kanary

[camero]

55. Same here

I really think he can win. I've been contemplating switching my reg. from Independent to Dem for awhile now. His performance in the debate cemented it. Haven't seen the video or his book yet but would like to go to a meetup.

[Tinoire]

64. Welcome aboard!

:toast:

Kucinich 2004!

[pnorman]

29. Check this one out also.

DemoChoice Web Poll: President Preference Poll - December 9
1 candidate will be elected with 3,523 ballots cast.

Table form | Chart form: First Round | Final Round | Ballot Depth | How it works | DemoChoice Main Page


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Round 1 50%

Dennis Kucinich 1,914 (54.3%)

Howard Dean 995 (28.2%)

Wesley Clark 382 (10.8%)

Ralph Nader 49 (1.4%)

Al Gore 44 (1.2%)

John Kerry 26 (0.7%)

George W. Bush 25 (0.7%)

Carol Moseley Braun 25 (0.7%)

Hillary Clinton 22 (0.6%)

Al Sharpton 12 (0.3%)

John Edwards 12 (0.3%)

Richard Gephardt 8 (0.2%)

Joseph Lieberman 5 (0.1%)

John McCain 4 (0.1%)

http://www.potuspoll.com/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I've been following this for the past few months, and Dennis who started pretty high, has gotten better each time I checked. I get email announcements from that oufit on a regular basis. I assume that the distribution list is skewed, as compared to the so-called "general population", but I see no reason to believe that this is "rigged" in any manner. What those numbers seem to say is that Dennis is appealing to an awful lot of people ... JUST AS SOON AS THEY SEE/HEAR HIM. He's riding below the CW radar, and that understandably INFURIATES the Punditocracy.

GO DENNIS, GO!!

[ErasureAcer]

49. He has won the past 2 months and December looks like a LOCK as well

:)

[FDRrocks]

62. HE CANT WIN

the centrists are buckling at the though that there is a solid left in this country. Kucinich is the man we need. Rove doesn't want him.

[Ksec]

38. Its easy to stay positive with this bunch

Ill say, you folks are the most positive people Ive seen in a long while.

[snoochie]

39. Welcome to the Movement, Ksec and camero!

Yes, the positivity is infectious. It's that 'hope' thing. :)

[Kanary]

52. Glad you noticed, Ksec!

Y'know, when you feel so comfortable in your heart and soul about someone who can represent you, rather than "settling", it just gives ya that "spark", y'know? It isn't often that someone comes along who does that to you, and when it happens, you enjoy it with every bit of yourself.

Hmmm, is that positive? ~~chortle~~

Pretty soon you'll be a grinning fool, too... ^_^

Kanary

[tlcandie]

54. Freedom is sweet isn't it Kanary?

Maybe this is what they've really meant about freedom!!!

[Kanary]

57. Schweet!

Freedom is that thing of allowing yourself to go with your feelings, instead of being locked in your head all the time.

Freedom is being stubborn enough to go with what you feel, rather than letting fear block it out.

Freedom is having the courage to go with your gut, rather than following the crowd because you're afraid of being "different".

And, as they say, sometimes "Freedom means nothing left to lose"...

To you, tlcandie!

:toast:

Kanary

[Catherine Vincent]

48. You guys are so cute!

n/t

[PretzelWarrior]

51. I agree. downright cuddly.

x

[camero]

58. Aw, gosh, thanks

[FDRrocks]

59. co-sponsered.

[tlcandie]

60. LoL....

That is a warm WET fuzzy!!! :+

[Kanary]

61. Sssllluuurrrppppp!

[camero]

63. I thought she might like it..lol

I'm kickin this before going to bed.

[Kanary]

65. Sleep well, camero. Tomorrow we discuss health care ^_^

Of the single-payer variety, of course.

Kanary, ready to snooze on the keyboard

[ThirdWheelLegend]

66. Dennis Kucinich is the one to bring change to our corrupt system!

It is happening! I believe that people will be surprised at how he does in N.H. and Iowa.

Now if we can only get more people to vote for the candidate they agree with most. Instead of the ones the media told them to.

ITS THE PRIMARIES!! No matter who you vote for they are still a democrat!

:)