Kerry on Faux News Sunday...sickening swipes at Dean...

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

Just watched arrogant, Lurch-like, Kerry on the enemy's Sunday pundit show take cheap shots at Dean like, "Dean said Saddam doesn't matter," or other nice examples of Democratic disunity like, "Dean called Palestinians freedom fighters," etc.

I WILL NOT vote for this man no matter what. It's clear that he care more about himself than bringing the Democratic Party up. And, after seeing his performance on Faux News Sunday, I have NO reservations in believing that he and Gephardt are behind the Osama/Dean TV commercial.

People here often ask, "why do you guys hate Kerry so much?" Well, my answer is watch the Faux News Sunday interview and there's your answer...

JB

[pistoff democrat]

1. Kerry is running scared

desperation has an odor

Dean had better keep that temper in check; this is meaningless for his campaign.

[chimpymustgo]

5. No. Kerry was very statesmanlike. Informed,

He was asked about Dean, and he asnwered - not in a hateful way. Good grief - this is no unfair, and blind to the reality here.

Kerry is looking good right now - as someone we can turn to for leadership.

[w4rma]

56. Kerry has lost it, IMHO. (n/t)

[stickdog]

71. Kerry has now sunk to the lowest imaginable depth.

He just spent a week arguing that Dean wasn't REALLY against the war, and now he tops it off with this pro-war shit?

[blm]

73. Kerry was EXCELLENT. Smooth and informed on every answer.

He was asked about Dean in the last question. Kerry wasn't over the top in his criticism at all.

I think Dean should have been more honest and balanced in defining his differences with the IWR. If he had been more vocal about supporting Biden-Lugar in his speeches instead of exaggerating the differences between him and the others as antiwar and prowar, then maybe he wouldn't be looking so iffy today.

[TeeYiYi]

2. Sounds like Kerry and Lieberman have the same play book. n/t

TYY

[Jacobin]

9. You noticed that, too?

[AntiCoup2K4]

55. Yep. and it's written by Terry Mc Useless

And it's time all three of them shut the fuck up :grr:

[AP]

3. Did Kerry say the little emperor has no clothes?

Look, the guy's saying things that are true. These are legitimate bases on which to compare and contrast himself to Dean.

[stickdog]

74. Legitimate?

"Dean wasn't REALLY against the war, but he was pro-Saddam. In contrast, I've been consistently both for AND against the war."

[Guaranteed]

4. If I see Kerry swing back...

ohhhh man....Will, where are ye?

Where is Kerry going??

[Name removed]

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[HFishbine]

7. Sandsea, are you there?

This is the kind of stuff we were discussing yesterday. Is this really an example of the media manipulating Kerry's message, or is it another example of Kerry failing to offer a positive message when he's on camera?

[sandnsea]

11. It is 6:55 AM

Oregon time. I'm on my first cup of coffee, only up because the DH woke me to tell me about Saddam. I don't even know if this Faux program is being run in my time zone yet.

Democrats shouldn't attack Democrats. But I've been listening to Democrats accused of being for the unilateral war, voting for tax cuts they didn't vote for, not speaking out when they were the FIRST to speak out, and so much more that the Dean cry is just weak.

[HFishbine]

25. Didn't know

you are in Oregon. East coast here and just starting my second cup.

[chimpymustgo]

12. Kerry had a very positive message. He called this an opportunity

for the US to bring in the world community. Show Iraqis the best of what we are. Get it right this time.

I thought he did quite well for himself.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

18. Sure, those were great points...but what about the cheap Dean swipes?

Do you honestly believe that Kerry didn't know that he was taking cheap shots at Dean on enemy's news network? They will use his Dean swipes in soundbites over...and over...and over again.

JB

[sandnsea]

26. Accusing Gep & Dean of those ads?

Cheap shots.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

33. Are you denying that the group funding the ads has NO former ties to Kerry

JB

[sandnsea]

40. NO PROOF

Therefore it's irresponsible smears, cheap shots. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out that Joe Trippi ran them himself.

[sandnsea]

58. ten seconds

I just saw it. Ten seconds. Dean can't handle ten seconds?

[JI7]

21. yup, he said that many times

his point was always about bush's failure to get the international community involved. he said the same thing when the statue fell and bush had the chance to ask for help but instead acted like an ass. the same thing at a later united nations speech he gave. he had the chance to ask for help and again acted like an ass. for the good of the iraqi people and everyone else he needs to ask for help from others in order for things to really improve.

[sandnsea]

24. Good to hear

He always does!

[DemOutWest]

8. I agree that

cheaps shots should not be taken. However, Dean took many so called "cheap shots" at Kerry and Gephardt. Are they cheap shots or are they pointing out differences in who they are?

Dean has been after Gephardt and Kerry on IWR. That is what his campaign was built on.

Now, the other candidates are telling the truth about Dean. Take those shots because it won't stop.

Dean was the first to start attacking the other Democrats.

Look at the candidates that have the best policy for leading this country. Forget all the politics. Who has a plan for education and environment.

[Bucky]

10. "I WILL NOT vote for this man no matter what." Thank you, AWL, on behalf

Thank you, AngryWhiteLiberal, on behalf of George Bush, Karl Rove, and Ralph Nader. Their work is complete on you.

[wndycty]

14. Deanocrat or Democrat?

There is a difference.

[Scott Lee]

22. Dean is from the Democratic wing of the Dem party, don't forget

[SahaleArm]

45. No that would be Kucinich *nm*

[pistoff democrat]

51. You are correct.

The media may be painting Dean as left, but he's DLC in my book!

[pistoff democrat]

52. And, considering all those who vote in these here

United States of America, IMHO, the only way we re-take the WH in 2004 is with President Clark.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

16. I will NOT be force fed a candidate from the DNC power elite...

I just a soon not vote than to have yet another Bonesman Republican-lite candidate in office. We need REAL reform in the Democratic Party. Do you honestly believe that Kerry has any idea what's going in ordinary American's lives? If Bush wins, then we only have him for 4 more years. If Kerry or some other Repuke-like candidate wins, it will set back the chances of real Democratic Party reform for decades.

Again, I will NOT be force fed a candidate.

JB

[sandnsea]

29. I'm a Democrat for Kerry

I have as much say about this party as a Deanocrat. As do the people for Lieberman, Clark, Edwards, Gephardt and anybody else. Howard Dean does not own the Democratic Party and many of us do not see him taking us anywhere good. We do not believe his campaign year enlightenment anymore than we believe George Bush is really a Christian.

[mb7588a]

32. Pardon?

Kerry = Repuke-like candidate?
Kerry = Bonesman Republican-lite candidate? (bonesman yes, but that's been proven to mean next to nothing.)

He's steadily the most liberal candidate in this race.

Sad, AWL, for you have fallen into the mindset "If Bush wins, then we only have him for 4 more years." ONLY 4 MORE YEARS? 4 YEARS IS A FUCKING ETERNITY IN POLITICS.
Bush/Cheny '04 welcomes your support.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

42. Then, send a message to your buddy Kerry that if he wants my vote...

...he needs to show that he's above petty personal politics. Until then, I WILL NOT vote for him if he is the Democratic candidate.

JB

[sandnsea]

44. How objective

Vote for Bush then. The double-standards in this campaign season are really sad.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

49. So you'd rather I voted for Bush, than to have Kerry correct himself...

...and gain a vote against Bush? It's this very arrogance that fuels my dislike for the Kerry campaign.

JB

[sandnsea]

53. Let's look at Dean

Are you vaguely aware that every other candidate has a large number of supporters who absolutely hate Dean and his sleazy campaign? Where do you think ABD came from? If there's apologizing to do, Dean is the one who needs to do it.

[LizW]

13. Well, what sounds like bitter desperation to some

is music to the ears of the ABD crowd.

:eyes:

[CWebster]

15. One tune Kerry nt

[phirili]

17. You were anti-Kerry before Kerry's statements on Fox today. What's new?

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

28. Actually, NO I wasn't. I've been favoring Clark, but open to all.

What changed my opinion about Kerry is how cheap his shots were at Dean. Why would I want to vote for someone who has no diplomatic acumen and lacks the common sense to know that a front of Democratic unity will only help the party? The Democratic Party MUST rally behind the varied opinions of all it's members, not go on the Repuke's news network and demonstrate that we are fractured by petty personal politics.

JB

[sandnsea]

36. Dean hasn't united anything

His campaign has been smearing the Democratic Party. And I for one find nothing in his record to unite behind anyway. I'm certainly not for raising taxes as a campaign platform, ignoring racism or gun safety, opening forests to logging, shoving people into HMO's, or much of anything else he's run on or done in Vermont. So don't be so presumptuous as to think Howard Dean speaks for all Democrats. He doesn't. There's not much of anything he speaks about that sounds like a Democrat to me.

[Scott Lee]

41. Dean is kicking Kerry's ass

And finally John is showing some spunk because he's not liking the beating. But I think it's too late at thiss point. Kerry has just plain missed the wave.

[KaraokeKarlton]

48. This stuff isn't true

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say that Kerry has lied about Dean and my state.

[Hep]

59. WRONG WRONG WRONG

It's always funny when someone from outside the campaign tries to tell ME what MY campaign is about.

You're wrong. We'll just leave it at that.

[stickdog]

77. Complicit Bush-lite Dems needed a wake up call.

Dean rightfully called them on their shit, and they only got tough on Bush when Dean's popularity skyrocketed.

[Karmadillo]

19. Democratic disunity? Gosh! Did Kerry compare Dean to a cockroach?

Did he call him "Bush-lite"? Did he say Dean was willing to issue Bush a "blank check" for the war in Iraq? I hope not. That would be incredibly divisive.

[eileen_d]

23. hahahahaha

I really don't understand Kerry... why doesn't he spend more time praising Dean rather than pointing out his own strengths as a candidate? </sarcasm>

[Hep]

60. I doubt Kerry grasps the concept of metaphor

any better than you apparently do.

[Octafish]

66. "Coward Dean" puts it nicely...

... for those who speak simply.

[Deja Q]

20. Human nature

n/t

[LiberalTexan]

27. JB, I'm not a fan of Kerry, either

but just remember we are all in this together come next Spring when we have our candidate. No matter who you lean to, remember that those who ARE Kerry supporters are our friends. Even if you hate the man...

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

30. Again, I DO NOT hate Kerry...I'm just disheartened at his slimy swipes n/t

JB

[Stuckinthebush]

31. This is really his last shot

I understand it from a strategy standpoint, but it will hurt us all in the long run. Kerry has moved from talking about why he is the best candidate to why he is better than Dean. He will do all he can to tear down Dean in order to bring himself up. Hey, it's what we are trying to do to Bush, so it's all politics. However, it is really pissing off many Dems.

Oh, and about Saddam - I agree with Dean, in the big picture, he doesn't matter.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

38. THANK YOU! That's what I'm talking about... n/t

JB

[Rose Siding]

34. Did Kerry really say "freedom fighters"?

Dean equated Hamas to soldiers to justify counter attacks on them but didn't use the FF word, that I'm aware of- Did Kerry say he did?

[Scott Lee]

39. If Dean said soldiers, he would be accurate.

They ARe soldiers - for a different cause, but that doesn't make them any less soldiers.

People have to stop buying into the lame tactic of slapping the moniker "terrorist" on anything that we are not supposed to approve of.

[Rose Siding]

47. If Kerry lied about it,

I won't hold my breath for a correction. Kerry doesn't admit to error.

[Lars39]

35. Why the hell are ANY of the candidates wasting precious airtime and $

bashing each other? Isn't Bush the main obstacle? I'd think it would be to everybody's interests to campaign specifically against Bush by bashing him and then stating what their policy would be, or what they would do to correct the atrocities Bush has signed into law or facilitated by Executive Order. Instead we get to see our candidates bash each other! Inexcusable, no matter who is doing it.

[sandnsea]

43. Dean ran a campaign on it

Doesn't leave the other candidates much choice.

[Scott Lee]

37. Take a breath, John. You're still going to lose.

You know with each passing day, Kerry sounds more and more like a man who is resigned to his fate. Not by his words, but by his actions.

He has failed to get the early initiative in the campaign.

He has failed to connect to his audience.

He has failed to inspire and stir enthusiasm.

He has failed to make a strong case as to why people should vote for him.

Basically, he has just plain...failed.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

46. NOW KERRY'S taking the same cheap shots at Dean on CBS NEWS...

Same manta about Dean that he spouted on Faux News Sunday.

Say these things once, I may give him a pass. But, now it's very apparent that these divisive anti-Dean soundbites are planned and well rehearsed.

Again, if Kerry wants my vote, he needs to cut the Democrat-on-Democrat slime.

JB

[zulchzulu]

50. Looks like Dean got caught with his pants down

Kerry is just telling the truth. Dean apparently miscalculated that Saddam would eventually be captured and had the same schtick over and over again. He attacked Kerry repeatedly for the IWR vote and thought the day would not come when he was building a house of cards.

It's payback time, fellas.

Deal with it.

[madfloridian]

68. What has catching Saddam got to do with the truth of the war and 9/11

This is so childish.

[stickdog]

78. Yeah. Saddam's capture makes the indefensible murderous quagmire

all better.

[WhosNext]

54. Dean is irrelevant and a ticket to disaster.

[Hep]

61. LOL

I love it. Keep telling yourself that, but make sure you put your mark next to his name in the GE.

[Hep]

57. Kerry tried riding the fence

Making the most politically expedient choices instead of the RIGHT choices. These kinds of attacks show how little Kerry cares for our party. He's in the quicksand, flailing desperately.

But he's giving us good practice for Bush I guess. I feel the way you do. If Kerry wins, I might have trouble voting for him in the GE.

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

62. Ok here's the deal..

Kerry's right- Dean DID say Saddam didn't matter, and that was wrong of Dean to say. Saddam DOES matter, and Kerry was just pointing out that Dean was wrong.

Dean has been doing it to Kerry too about IWR, and now that he attacks Dean, "he cares more about bringing himself up than he doesn't bring up the Democratic Party"? Give me a break.

As for him and Gephardt being behind the Dean/Osama commercial... Tin foil hats are running rampant throughout DU today and it's getting a little ridiculous.

[curse10]

65. I agree wholeheartedly Maggie

:-)

Great post.

[Name removed]

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[oasis]

64. step one: Defeat Bush..... step two: Reform the Democratic Party.

[ecstatic]

67. So is Kerry for the war, again? nt

[DemOutWest]

69. Let me try

again. I guess I might have insulted someone with my post. I am truly sorry about that.

Senator Kerry was on the Faux News this morning for about 20 minutes. The last question asked of him was in regards to Dean. Kerry outlined the differences between himself and Dean. The same that Dean has been doing for the last year. It was about 5% of the interview. I think some have been a little too thin skinned if they found Senator Kerry's remarks insulting.

To post on here and slam a candidate with low-brow comments on his looks seems childish. Let's discuss issues. Saddam doesn't change a thing in my book. This countryis still in a great mess. We need a leader who is strong on foreign affairs, strong on the environment, strong on education and has a vision and plan for the direction of this country.

Thanks, I am switching to decaf just as I suggested to others on my other post that was deleted.

DemOutWest

[stickdog]

70. Kerry's now sunk so low that I can't even see the top of his hair. (nt)

[sleipnir]

72. Kerry's comments lost the last bit of respect I had for him.

He's done in my book, and even worse, he's now on the same level as Lieberman, which means I'll work against him getting the nomination. Sorry, but this was horribly out of line.

Clark got a lot of points from me today, I may switch over to his camp...I'll have to think about it.

[sandnsea]

75. oops

[Monte Carlo]

76. People here LOVE to get offended and outraged...

... and get all involved in their righteous indignation, especially when it comes to campaign rhetoric during primary season. Kerry has taken shots at Dean, Dean has taken shots at Kerry. It's all one, big, happy mess we're in, and let's not pretend that we're above it.

[killbotfactory]

79. Transcript?

Link?