Saddam Capture = Bad For Bush

[matcom]

the calls to pull out COMPLETELY of Iraq will start almost immediately. he can't do that yet. the PNAC's REAL goals have not yet been accomplished.

the voices will grow rapidly and loudly. Gawd forbid there is ONE MORE American death.

"mission accomplished" George ( :eyes: ) now bring the troops home.

he can't yet. no way. quagmire. what to do now?

[KensPen]

1. I am suprised he wasn't killed.....

cause what if the answers don't fit the Bush Propoganda...

no we never had weapons....
we destroyed most of what we had....
I was lying to scare you.....

etc. etc. etc.

[BlueCollar]

4. He'll

die in custody...before he talks?

Like a certain CIA Director who died in hospital as the Iran-Contra affair broke?

[Timefortruth]

9. His answers were prepared long before his capture.

They may not even bother to question him.

[CatWoman]

12. Someone mentioned that the soldiers who arrested him

were accompanied by some Kurds(?), and that the Americans didn't dare kill him for fear of the truth getting out.

[comradebillyboy]

33. american soldiers are not assassins

they may get bystanders once in a while, or be too aggressive at times, but they rarely murder prisoners. the average gi has ethics that are better than bushco's.

[trof]

14. martyr

They want him alive.
At least for now.

[KeepItReal]

2. PNAC's goals may have to shift

Reality has met their master plan of transforming the Middle East.

Bush & Co. cannot cut and run (and have said as much) as long as Halliburton et al. have folks on the ground in Iraq burning US taxpayer money.

[KensPen]

7. speaking of which...

Did you see the News on SNL last night...
they did a good job framing Bush's assertion that coalition partners are being rewarded for their bravery...

paraphrased

Remember the Halliburton Executives storming the Iraqi front, bravely fighting for the liberation of the country....
and so forth...

made me laugh.

[jonoboy]

3. THANK GOD SOMEONE IS GETTING IT RIGHT

[AP]

5. I think it came too early for Bush. I bet he would have liked it to have

happened sometime next summer or fall.

It could hurt the possiblity of the Dems nominating a McGovern.

[supernova]

21. Except that we

don't have a McGovern in the bunch. ;-)

[pink_poodle]

6. Maybe this is their exit strategy? They need one badly and........

especially with the Haliburton scams coming to light also.........

[Deja Q]

8. Bush'll do it too

The chatter of "liberation" was a sham.

Once Saddam is confirmed, they'll be out so fast that you won't have the time to say "you bet your bippy".

Which is sad, and if it were to happen the US citizens wouldn't care.

[NicRic]

10. Spin machine will kick in !

This pResidents ability to spin just about anythnig to his advantage,is made even easier to acomplish with the help of the coperate media repeating the spin every 5 minutes ,till its pounded into the heads of the American public .They already have at least 1/2 the country convinced bush is doing a good job as pResident, when all the facts prove the opposite. Iam still in shock that after 8years of having such a successful Dem President, that the Dems are in the weak position we find ourseleves in. Makes the ? "dude what happen to my country" more relavent then ever !

[nagbacal]

11. Sadaam capture

The administration line that resistance has been overwhelmingly about diehard Sadaam loyalists will now be put to the crucial test.

[forgethell]

13. I would bet not.

My bet is that there weill be a HUGE boost in *'s ratings. It might be temporary, but let's see what next week's polls look like.

As to how these things play out in the long run, who knows? Will thiscause a change in strategy by the Dem candidates? Will Joe Lieberman get a boost? Will you be correct and this is bad for *?

I'm not a prophet, but right now I can't see this as boosting the Dem campaign in the immediate future. Win, or lose, fellow DU'ers, we are in for some interesting times over the next few months until the election. Suppose they catch Osama?

Merry Christmas, or whatever.

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[snippy]

23. I don't understand. This is good news for everyone, including democrats.

The Iraqi people are going to want their country back now. Bush won't like that. Democrats should side with the Iraqi people. Make Bush defend retaining control of Iraq.

Most Americans probably thought that Saddam would be killed or captured sooner or later. Rather than think that the capture of Saddam solves everything, they will be asking what happens now. Bush won't have an answer to that question until Turd Blossom Rove runs it through the focus groups.

Democrats should seize this opportunity to argue for turning the reconstruction of Iraq over to the UN. They need to emphasize the number of countries which have offered lots of troops and lots of money if the UN is in charge of the reconstruction. Democrats should stress that this is a wonderful opportunity to save American lives and money. There is no reason that the rebuilding has to be done by Americans. Make Bush defend the continued occupation and exploitation of Iraq and the costs to America in lives and money.

First it was about WMD.

Then it was about removing the evil dictator.

What will it be about now? Bush will look bad answering this question.

[Fovea]

24. Mixed Blessing

1. An evil monster is in custody
2. He is in the custody of the son of the evil man who put him there.
3. Some of those who would have been shooting at us did not out of fear that Saddam would return.

4. Saddam has a lot of Bush family skeltons in his closet.

[Walt Starr]

25. Welcome to DU

Hopefully your stay will be longer than your first post seems to indicate.

[matcom]

26. too late

:)

[Walt Starr]

27. OOPS, spoke to soon

May he rest in peace.

[dbt]

31. No shit!

Tombstoned after one post! Did the Mods bring their "A Game" today OR WHAT!!!

:toast:
dbt

[koopie57]

16. Now that Saddam has been captured

the focus will be on that for a few days and then I think that people will start focusing on the ecomony and unemployment. And I wonder why I'm not excited by this news or feel a sense of relief. I am glad he is caught, but was the price worth it? What if he starts talking and when all is said and done, he brings down the reign of terror, uhm, I mean the bush administration?

[Orrin_73]

17. Indeed, now Saddam can tell

there were no WMD at all. Its hard to explain to the american people why in the first place Iraq was invaded. The dem candidates should push for it!!!!

[Walt Starr]

18. My guess is, the attacks will now get worse

Seriously, I figure between now and the GOP cnvention, the average will reach about three soldiers per day.

I sincerely hope and pray to The Goddess I'm wrong. I'm just going on my gut feelings here.

[Gman]

19. As long as Wolfowitz and his buds are around to do things

like undermine James Baker, we don't have to worry about getting out of the quaqmire anytime soon. Wolfie and his buds will be sure we stay put and forge ahead with PNAC/final solution.

[Snellius]

20. Bingo

Now we will see if Bush is really serious about democracy and independence for Iraq or if this is just another deceptive rationalization to cover the real imperial intentions of the neocons.

[bluestateguy]

22. We shall see

This "Mission Accomplished" Administration has a way of celebrating too soon. If more Americans continue to be killed people may well question the utility of continuing to be in Iraq.

Who knows? I'm going back to bed now.

[cosmicdot]

28. dust it off and put "part 2" on the photo

or is it part 3? 4?

the statue toppling didn't do it
landing on the Abe Lincoln didn't do it

[lastliberalintexas]

29. Thank you matcom

I expected to log on this morning and see the usual suspects wringing their hands about how Shrub has the election wrapped up and we may as well fold up now. Thankfully, I saw your thread first.

You are correct- this means there will be increasing pressure to brings our men and women home now, as well as increasing pressure to stop spending our tax dollars in support of the Iraqis. (after all, if Hussein isn't around they can run their own darn gov't with their own money, right?)

In addition, Hussein's capture doesn't change the fact that

- we've already lost about 500 American service-men and women, more than in the first 3 years of fighting in Vietnam (don't remember the article that pointed that info out)

- the Kurds and Turks are back at each other's throats

- the Shi'ites and Sunnis are fighting one another

- instead of one country, the area is fractionalizing into 3 (Kurds, Sunnis and Shi'ites) and

- as soon as we leave, a radical pseudo-Islamist state will be implemented in Hussein's place, meaning the Kurds either delcare independence or there is a civil war for control of the country. If the Kurds declare independence, the question then becomes whether we can prevent Turkey from invading the region.

In other words, we've still created a bloody mess that doesn't look to improve any time soon.

And on the domestic front, it doesn't change the fact that this administration has watched 3 million jobs go bye bye without doing a darn thing about it and that they have spent us into a $500 billion deficit and a projected $5 trillion nat'l debt. It also doesn't change the fact that the dollar hits a "historic new low" against the Euro on an almost weekly basis, and that investors are increasingly switching to the Euro or gold rather than the dollar. It also doesn't change the fact that we've had record import/export deficits over the last few months (just basically unreported in American media).

Hussein's capture wins Shrub the election ONLY IF WE LET IT. We are the ones who need to be reminding people of the above facts and many more that I'm sure I've missed. It is our responsibility to inform, since the media has abdicated its real purpose.

[Wapsie B]

30. You got it!

We got him, now let's get out!

[rocktivity]

32. I agree, and it's not just sour grapes

If Saddam was in Tikrit all this time, why wasn't he captured sooner? Did they know where he was all along, and were simply waiting to strike while the iron was politically hot (Dean's ascension, shutting non-coalition countries out of the rebuilding contracts, etc.)? And what happens now--does Saddam go to a public war crimes trial, and what kind of defense will he come up with? If this story isn't "revised" within a week, he'll have come up with an exit strategy, re-employ nine million people, and a way to make nice with the UN if he wants to stay in office.


rocknation

[Walt Starr]

34. Bush always seems to jump the shark

If this was going to be effective politically for Bush, it had to happen during the GOP convention.

They've got one more trick up their sleeve and my guess is they have no clue where Osama really is.

[Wapsie B]

36. And don't forget,

Osama's family is way tight with the Bush clan. Oh the stories Osama could tell! I'm feeling quite the opposite of what the doomsayers are spouting today. Give this all time to sink in. This is not the end of the world as some would have us believe. I'd like to think that it could be a Revelation of sorts. Come on Saddam, spill the beans. Chimpy killed your boys.

[HuckleB]

35. Yup.