Anybody think the two captured with Saddam may have been part of

[loudnclear]

the intelligence that led to his capture? Could they have drugged him? His behavior at capture was really strange. His incessent talking is an indication to me of some kine of truth serum in him. He looked and behaved drugged. This adds to my suspicion that we knew where he was and had him in control for at least three weeks...around the time the rumors surfaced that he was captured.

Any MDs out there know how truth serum works? Doesn't it make you "talkivtive?"

[loudnclear]

1. Did my own research. Seems like Saddam talking so much fits the pattern

of "truth serum"

"But do truth serums actually work? Sodium pentothal, the most commonly known speech-inducing compound, is a mild sedative that makes people more talkative, but not necessarily more honest. Even more problematic, from a human rights standpoint, is a long history of practice that blurs the moral lines between the use of interrogation drugs and more overt methods of torture."

http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=truth+serum&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26amp%3BrequestId%3D10889437be1d3e26%26amp%3BclickedItemRank%3D6%26amp%3BuserQuery%3Dtruth%2Bserum%26amp%3BclickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.alternet.org%252Fstory.html%253FStoryID%253D13341%26amp%3BinvocationType%3D-%26amp%3BfromPage%3DNSCPIndex&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alternet.org%2Fstory.html%253FStoryID%253D13341

[loudnclear]

2. A friend just e-mailed me about Saddam's behavior upon capture

Fits all the characterizations of someone drugged with sodium pentathol.

[bearfartinthewoods]

7. it also fits with someone who is scared shitless and

the drugged appearance and actions fit with someone who has been sleep deprived for months on end.

[loudnclear]

3. Was that a "close family member in the hole with him?"

Much is being made of the contention that a "close family member" ratted him out. Hmmm...If that person were in the hole with Saddam he could easily have drugged him.

[loudnclear]

4. Anymore feedback on this?

The people captured with him have hardly been mentioned.

[Tinoire]

6. Well never know the details

If we're to believe the fabrication they're passing off to the public, no one could possibly have been captured while he was in that burial hole of sensory deprivation:



I just find their entire account so implausible...

The two, who proved to be the last men to desert Saddam Hussein, were quickly captured and disarmed. Then, with every possible escape route from the one-storey farm hut barred, the troops moved in.
Sounds like a Hollywood script

Devka has a reasonable analysis of the whole thing:
Devka: Indications Saddam Was Not in Hiding But a Captive

Disclaimer: My take on Devka is that they are 70% Mossad disinformation & 30% truth. Problem is it's hard to tell which is which. This report however makes a lot of sense!

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AA number of questions are raised by the incredibly bedraggled, tired and crushed condition of this once savage, dapper and pampered ruler who was discovered in a hole in the ground on Saturday, December 13:

• The length and state of his hair indicated he had not seen a barber or even had a shampoo for several weeks.
  
• The wild state of his beard indicated he had not shaved for the same period
  
• The hole dug in the floor of a cellar in a farm compound near Tikrit was primitive indeed – 6ft across and 8ft across with minimal sanitary arrangements - a far cry from his opulent palaces.
  
• Saddam looked beaten and hungry.
  
• Detained trying to escape were two unidentified men. Left with him were two AK-47 assault guns and a pistol, none of which were used.
  
• The hole had only one opening. It was not only camouflaged with mud and bricks – it was blocked. He could not have climbed out without someone on the outside removing the covering.
  
• And most important, $750,000 in 100-dollar notes were found with him (a pittance for his captors who expected a $25m reward)– but no communications equipment of any kind, whether cell phone or even a carrier pigeon for contacting the outside world.

According to DEBKAfile analysts, these seven anomalies point to one conclusion: Saddam Hussein was not in hiding; he was a prisoner.

After his last audiotaped message was delivered and aired over al Arabiya TV on Sunday November 16, on the occasion of Ramadan, Saddam was seized, possibly with the connivance of his own men, and held in that hole in Adwar for three weeks or more, which would have accounted for his appearance and condition. Meanwhile, his captors bargained for the $25 m prize the Americans promised for information leading to his capture alive or dead. The negotiations were mediated by Jalal Talabani’s Kurdish PUK militia.

These circumstances would explain the ex-ruler’s docility – described by Lt.Gen. Ricardo Sanchez as “resignation” – in the face of his capture by US forces. He must have regarded them as his rescuers and would have greeted them with relief.

From Gen. Sanchez’s evasive answers to questions on the $25m bounty, it may be inferred that the Americans and Kurds took advantage of the negotiations with Saddam’s abductors to move in close and capture him on their own account, for three reasons:

• His capture had become a matter of national pride for the Americans. No kudos would have been attached to his handover by a local gang of bounty-seekers or criminals. The country would have been swept anew with rumors that the big hero Saddam was again betrayed by the people he trusted, just as in the war.
  
• It was vital to catch his kidnappers unawares so as to make sure Saddam was taken alive. They might well have killed him and demanded the prize for his body. But they made sure he had no means of taking his own life and may have kept him sedated.
  
• During the weeks he is presumed to have been in captivity, guerrilla activity declined markedly – especially in the Sunni Triangle towns of Falluja, Ramadi and Balad - while surging outside this flashpoint region – in Mosul in the north and Najef, Nasseriya and Hilla in the south. It was important for the coalition to lay hands on him before the epicenter of the violence turned back towards Baghdad and the center of the Sunni Triangle.

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http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=743

And here's the cave- thanks to Crisco for posting this:

[RBHam]

5. Probably his "handlers"...

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[theboss]

8. It's probably from living in a hole

That would fuck you up a bit. Especially for someone Saddam's age who had been living in luxury for years. I've talked to prisoners who had been in solitary confinement, and they are the most talkative people you've ever met in your life. They're just desperate for some kind of interaction.