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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:42 AM
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The lack of a Bush bounce.
As you can see from the ABCNews/Washington Post poll as well as a Gallup survey I saw on TV, this capture did little for Bush, just as I predicted. Sure some have a more favorable view of the Iraq situation now, but it's not overwhelming and will likely retreat soon. Therefore, everyone can stop the gloom and doom. It was unwarranted and those who were preaching it may happily eat their crow. ;)
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:43 AM
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1. but what about Saddam? won't the bushies really draw the capture out?
and have a huge media circus trial?
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Bozola Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:50 AM
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5. Doubt it....


What do you think they are going to do when Saddam says "but you said I could invade Kuwait", "but you helped me build my weapons program", and "you told me if I let Halliburton in all would be forgiven"?

Rhetorical question, actually, they'll switch to commercial.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:44 AM
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2. Turds Don't Bounce!
They just go on stinking!
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:47 AM
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3. well, no, I didn't see...
What was the poll result? How did it compare to previous polls? Ya gonna make me google it myself?
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:48 AM
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4. Look in other threads. They have shown the poll results.
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terrisel Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:57 AM
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6. Agreed
We need to stick with what we are doing and where we are heading. It is more important than pausing to watch the stage magician pull a rabbit out of a hat or hole.

The soldier killed yesterday is actually more important than Saddam Hussein.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 08:09 AM
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10. Polling Report.com has all the polls
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 08:02 AM
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7. It will retreat as soon as they realize they have been had
there were no weaons of mass destruction, Bush is carving up Iraq to the highest bidder, we are no safer, the violence in the Middle East will escalate. The so-called "war on terror" is a big f***ing joke. The whore media won't report this but the smarter people will figure it out for themselves.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 08:08 AM
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8. It isn't the bounce, it's the teflon.
This is one less thing Bush can be attacked on. It makes the 'miserable failure' charge harder to pin on him.

The smart play is actually to hope for an immediate, large bounce, because it sets higher expectations for the future, and also there is a hangover effect: as the numbers come back to earth, there is a strong tendency to overcorrect, as happened to Bush's daddy. He really wasn't that awful, but after 80%+ approval ratings, there was no place for him to go but down, and he ended up sinking further than his performance probably warranted. That this Bush's numbers didn't make a big jump suggests people have a firm idea of what Bush is about, and they seem to be mildly positive in their assessment.

To put it a different way, the bouncier numbers are, the more likely they are to bounce in your favor down the road. Volatility, or a higly fluid situation, for the underdog, is a good thing, whereas the absence of it suggests a maintenance of the status quo.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 08:25 AM
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11. Catching Saddam never put a single American back to work!
The unrecoverable GOOD jobs issue will not go away!

The Bushites needed another bombshell to cover up the 'Who Pumped Ethyl-Gate/Halliburton story'! If Bush don't turn Saddam over to the UN Bush is toast IMHO! If Bush does turn Saddam over to the UN and he talks about where he bought his WMD, with which he gassed his own people Bush is toast! Taking Saddam alive could be the biggest albatross yet to the Turkeyfhurer in Chief when all is SAID and done! Speaking of Done, stick a fork in it!
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:05 AM
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16. An astute analysis. n/t
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 08:08 AM
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9. might bounce a couple of more points
in the next couple of weeks - although the capture is good news, it doesn't change much of the Iraq mess

- we still won't have international support of any great consequence
- OBL is still out there
- Taliban and Al-Qeada are revving up in Afghanistan
- it's still a jobLOSS recovery and Bush* needs to create 3 million new jobs just to break even with the employment numbers at the beginning of his reign

just to name a few issues.....
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:42 AM
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17. Similar To My Take
Look, the very next morning, car bomb goes off in Baghdad. The next day, more of the same.

When the American people realize that the insurgency was not about Saddam, but about kicking out the occupiers, the bounce will be gone.

Capturing that slimeball is not going to make Iraq a safer place in any reasonably foreseeable furture.

Despite all the rhetoric, everyone agrees that Saddam was a piece of filth, and good riddance. But, that's not what the attacks on the U.S. soliders, the U.N. and the coaltion assistants is about.

That'll be obvious in a couple of weeks.
The Professor
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 08:54 AM
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12. 52% support a UN Tribunal for Saddam
Look further down in the same poll. They didn't ask about a U.S. tribunal, and only 2% volunteered that answer.

But look further to the Contribute To lines under Do You Think Saddam's capture will... Those are very discouraging numbers. It makes it sound as if a resounding majority are in fact in favor of the PNAC program.

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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 08:59 AM
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13. When people see that Saddaam's capture doesn't mean...
that the troops will be coming home directly, look for the poll numbers to head south.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:05 AM
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15. Yep, at a time of year when we wanna believe in Santa, most know
it is just a pretty story. Same thing with capturing Saddam; pretty story but does not make everyone's dreams come true.

We keep hammering away at the difference between what the maladministration preaches and what they practice. More and more people are seeing throught the smoke and past the mirrors.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:02 AM
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14. How many times can one man "win" the same war?
He's had his bounce. And since, many Americans have come to see the war as an unneccesary bloody mess, no matter which bearded man gets pulled from a root cellar.
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