* said "When the heat got on he dug himself a hole". So did * on 9/11!

[MIMStigator]

More irony from the coward in a rabbit hole.

Saddam walked thru the streets of baghdad during the war and * flew in and out in the cover of darkness to pretend to serve turkey to a selected audience. Who's a coward?

[PunkinPi]

1. and when is the last time you saw cheney?

[MIMStigator]

2. is he hiding in a hole again too?

nt

[Malva Zebrina]

3. OK that is not fair

Cheney emerged in Pennsylvania at the exclusive Rolling Rock Country Club and shot dead some seventy pheasants in a manly display of hunting prowess ( do not tell anyone, but some 500 pheasants, domestically grown in a cage, were released so Cheney could think he was a real man, on this "hunt")

There is something to be said about a man who is obviously sick and most likely sexually impotent, getting a kick out of shooting off his "gun" at the not so wild life that has been bred solely for his and his compatriots, pleasure. Seventy times! All toll--some 450 of these domesticated pheasants were killed by Cheney and his band of merry men. so there.

[hippywife]

19. When they actually reported at first

that Saddam had been found in an undisclosed location, who did I think of first?? :evilgrin:

[incontrovertible]

4. wait, but

I thought Bush was all MIHOP about 9/11. So what was he "running" from, since he ordered and planned and orchestrated the whole 9/11 attack in the first place? Contradictory, don't you think?

Hate to flush a delusion, but Clinton and/or Gore would have done the exact same thing that Bush did on 9/11. There's a protocol for these things. That's why he went to a nuclear-proof bunker. Not because a nuclear attack was imminent, but because that's what the President does when the nation is under attack.

Not everything Bush does is the result of his wavering between the twin caricatures of "Brilliant Machiavellian New Hitler" and "Idiot Daddy's Boy" to which the majority of DU subscribe. Four years into this regime, and our side continues to underestimate it. That's going to bury us until 2008, unless large percentages begin to wise up.

Saddam walked thru the streets of baghdad during the war and * flew in and out in the cover of darkness to pretend to serve turkey to a selected audience. Who's a coward?

Oh, certainly not Saddam - he's a hero for standing up to the BFEE. Bush is a million times worse of a dictator than Saddam ever was.

Yeah, this's gonna play out great next year.

[MIMStigator]

5. If you think

* planned and orchestrated 9/11 like you said then yeah it would be contradictory.
I don't think he planned and orchestrated it but failed to prevent it and hid in a spider hole when it happened.

* is a coward.

[incontrovertible]

6. gonna win any noncommitteds with that?

or is the plan to just reappropriate the Greens and screw the middle?

I don't think he planned and orchestrated it

I appreciate your rational approach to the universe. Unfortunately, a sizable percentage of DU religiously believes otherwise. I refer to these people as "insane."

* is a coward.

For the AWOL Guard deployment during Vietnam, okay. For following CIC military protocol? I disagree.

[MIMStigator]

7. for AWOL , for rabbit holing after 9/11, for going to baghdad in dark

a coward

[thebigidea]

9. so why are you wasting your time hanging around with the insane?

And furthermore, orange wobbly transistor monkey jello.

[incontrovertible]

10. Solely to assert my existence

I have my credentials and do exist within the Democratic Party, as much as the DINO-Green/Reds wish I would just fuck off, already. That's pretty much what 2004 will be on the Democratic side - whether the arch-Left will succeed in convincing the Rationalist Wing to just fuck off. Choice between winning pragmatically and losing, defiantly, on what basically amounts to religious principle. I sometimes wonder if there isn't some lingering bitterness over the relative success of the Third Way centrism of the Clinton era.

[thebigidea]

11. speaking of bitterness...

[incontrovertible]

13. uh, no

I won't be bitter unless I'm reduced to posting "I Told You So" after the next election. Which, whether you care to hear it or not, I'm very likely to do, unless the Iron Boot of the Democratic Establishment comes down hard on the lunatic fringe.

Example: If, as many pray, the Republican Convention in New York turns into a quasi-anti-WTO riot, with smashed in McDonalds windows and stoned, dreadlocked white college dropouts with Bush/Hitler posters as far as the eye can see, we are screwed. Get it? We'll lose in a landslide avalanche. This won't be the dreamed-of revolution, at long last. It'll be a bloodbath - ours. Trust me - I've been around too many campaigns, winners and losers, to not know which way the mainstream flows.

Ah, but just fuck me and my opinion anyway. Right?

[thebigidea]

15. speaking of bitterness...

[incontrovertible]

16. no - speaking of blunt fact.

Do you think I'm wrong?

I think the arch-Left is still throwing the temper tantrum that cost Gore the Presidency in 2000, despite the Wellstone-funeral antics having cost us not only the Minnesota seat, but the entire Senate. The day before election day 2002, Michael Moore swore that it would be forever be remembered as "Payback Tuesday." Then Jeb beat McBride by 14 points. That's the kind of delusion at play amongst the DINO-Green/Reds. They sincerely believe that if they scream "Bush is Hitler" often and loudly enough, eventually the "sheeple" will come bleeting about to their side.

It's not going to happen, and these arrested adolescents are well past-due getting a serious spanking from the actual Democratic professionals. Maybe an unquestioned Bush Mandate landslide in 2004 will teach them a thing or two about political reality.

I think that if Lieberman were the eventual nominee, Nader would get an even larger percentage of the 2004 vote. Do you doubt that?

I think that when Dean eventually centers himself before the general, as he must and will do, he'll be met with howls of "sellout" from the ranks of his base who are too young to have ever followed a candidate through a primary, and that Nader, should he run, would get at least as many votes in 2004. Do you doubt that?

Do you wonder why Al Gore is the only national Democratic player to have endorsed Dean, so far? Hint: It isn't because of Dean. It's because of the incredible percentage of "Bush Is Hitler" types that make up his base. Do you doubt that? Please, get close to one of these real players, or at least one of their staff, show them you aren't wearing a wire, holding a phone, or otherwise out to trap them - and ask them: Why isn't Dean steamrolling to the nomination? He's got all the votes, all the enthusiasm, all the money, and he's a total fucking Centrist, for God's sake. So ask them - just don't expect to like the answer.

I know, I know... "speaking of bitterness..."

[thebigidea]

17. "Why isn't Dean steamrolling to the nomination?" He kinda is.

This weird hatred of parts of "your" own party is kind of frightening to read... surely this rage is better directed at Bush?

Reds?

Are you kidding?

You're worried about COMMUNISTS?

Yeah, there's a potent political force.

[incontrovertible]

20. it isn't "weird hatred"

I have no fondness whatsoever for the neoconservative jackboot agenda, if that's what you intend to imply. I've made my cases plenty of times in forums beyond and above this one, whenever I elect to engage the opposition. I see no reason or benefit behind expending energy outside of a confrontation, which is why I tend not to participate in the sundry anticonservative threads beyond a "me too" or one-line quip.

Nor did I come to this assessment of the lunatic fringe of the "Democratic" party overnight - I came to it after, say, three hundred separate instances of being called a variety of names and told to "go back to freerepublic" for having the gall to state the obvious, e.g.:

"Um, it's asinine and baseless to say Bush is Hitler," (many have said "worse than Hitler") " because if that were even half true, all of us would already be dead."

At which point I would become the recipient of the most noxious spew about the number of executions in Texas - as if the execution of convicted capital murderers, numbering in the tens, somehow equates to the torturous industrialized murder of eight million souls, to say nothing of the global death toll the Nazis extracted. Brilliant logic. This differs from a religious ideology... how?

I'll say this again, just to poke the nest, so you can enjoy the ensuing show: Bush Isn't Hitler. When people on our side say that Bush is Hitler, it doesn't win any converts - it just pisses off, and deeply offends, virtually every last one of the uncommitteds who vote for a Democrat in this election, a Republican in that one, an issue here, an issue there. These are the people that must be won to the Democratic side in 2004 - reappropriating the Greens will not be enough.

Does the arch-Left care? Not in the least.

You're worried about COMMUNISTS?

Yeah, there's a potent political force.

It's a heavy-handed label, admittedly. Substitute, if you wish, all of those people who would, if they had a rational bone in their body, have voted for Gore in 2000, but voted instead for Nader, because Gore, the author of "Earth in the Balance," no less, was "too corporate." To be blunt about it, I trace it all back to the fact that Clinton allowed the police to put down the WTO riot in Seattle. Spoiled children don't like being spanked and told to shut up and sit in the corner.

I think they also don't like being told what is openly discussed in the cloakrooms and private lounges of the ranking Democrats in national political circles.

On edit: Yes, Dean IS steamrolling to the nomination - with the support of exactly one prominent Democrat.

[retyred]

23. Your postings while unexpected

have left me with food for thought, I know I've been programed not to think but sometimes something is said and thought springs to life on it's own. Please stop it!

At this time I can only think to say Thank You, I may have additional imput after I analize this all.

[Zero Gravitas]

12. No MIHOP is bullshit

* ran and hid on 9/11 because he is an incompetent coward.

[Toucano]

8. I had the exact same thought! n/t

[DinahMoeHum]

14. Heh heh, takes one to know one, right?

n/t

:evilgrin:

[cirej2000]

18. This is sort of a shaky comparison, in my opinion

Saddam was scum...he should've been a martyr to bolster the morale of his people. By hiding in that hole, he ruined the morale of millions in the Arab world!

He is a coward and now appears to be nothing more than a bully. :(

[MIMStigator]

21. Saddam is a coward and bully. So is *. Where is the "shaky" part?

n/t

[ComerPerro]

22. I heard some fucko on the radio this morning

say "well, he encouraged all Iraqis to fight, but he surrendered right away. You can bet Bush would never do that."

Are you fucking kidding me? Bush would sell you out in a second for a pitcher of beer.

He sold out the lives of thousands of Americans when he ensured that 9/11 was not prevented. Fuck that cowardly asshole