About Bev and Andy's BBV announcement Tuesday

[bobbieinok]

Is there any way to make sure a rep from each democratic campaign is present?

What about Krugman, Conason, Carville?

IT MUST be heard and talked about beyond Seattle.

So many of these are local news and then are 'disappeared.'

Is there anyone on network TV who could be lured to the story? ie are there any network journalists anywhere anymore?

[shirlden]

1. It will be up to us here and on BBV

to push this story once it breaks. That is what we have had to do from the very beginning with BBV. So sharpen your finger and get ready to write those letters to reporters and editors.

:kick:

[WilliamPitt]

2. truthout will be on it

for whatever that's worth.

[librechik]

3. more details or links pls

I'll put a message in a bottle to our man in Seattle. But I've been away; whassup?

[nostamj]

5. top of the homepage

www.blackboxvoting.org

Bev and Andy were in Vancouver... have a major new break, with documentation.

press conference 2pm pacific tomorrow in seattle...

[nostamj]

6. and here's the link to the original (and ongoing) GD thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=896001&mesg_id=896001

[BevHarris]

51. Worth a lot, Will.

And appreciated the tips. I'll give you an advance packet.

Bev

[nostamj]

4. knowing Bev...

i suspect that press release went far and wide.

with krugman on the story (among many others) if they do have a significant new break, it will be covered.

(and based on my "I can't tell you a thing but...." calls with Andy, I feel pretty sure this will be of mainstream interest. mainstream.

one of the keys right now is: will the utter lack of new SADDAM CAPTURED news allow this to penetrate?

i'm worried that the whore media is NOT ready to drop the ALL SADDAM, ALL THE TIME any time soon. (can you watch that oral exam one more time???)

i digress. i hope this goes well.

BBV has been a campaign of accrual, not bombshells.

a headline won't convey it.

it must be brought into focus, and then zoomed away from.

i will be waiting for the report!

[reknewcomer]

7. It won't be touched by any credible Dem

Too much tin foil for any serious attention.

[frank frankly]

8. nyet!

already been mentioned by Kucinich and Kerry and possibly more.

nothing to do with tinfoil!

[nostamj]

9. it was a MAJOR issue at the FL Dem Convention

if you watched that coverage, you heard pretty much all of them address it.

[reknewcomer]

13. Most have moved away from the FL debacle

Those that retain those sentiments are on a one way street to the cheerleader bench and off the field.

[Tansy_Gold]

19. Are you referring to

the "Florida debacle" of 2000 or the Florida Democratic Party Convention of 2003?

I think someone on this forum needs to do a little more careful reading and more careful posting.

[nostamj]

21. thanks T_G!

i think someone on this forum doesn't care about careful reading or careful posting...

i think someone on this forum thinks that concern over the verification of voting in the electronic age is a tinfoilhat conspiracy theory of the extreme left...

i think someone on this forum is talking out of an entirely different style of 'hat'

[gristy]

35. Those WHO retain those sentiments...

Not "that". "who" is correct. Oh, and yes, this all about Florida. Right, right.

[reknewcomer]

12. Kerry floated it and has not mentioned it since

Kucinich is another story and he is unelectable.

[Andy_Stephenson]

24. Also mentioned by Edwards and Dean.

in fact the State Coordinator for Dean was all over the issue last week when I was in Vancouver Washington where I spoke.

[Rose Siding]

46. Dean said he gets asked about it twice at every event

I e-mailed the press release to the Seattle office. I'd go but I have an appt with a dryer repairman. I'll call them in the morning to see if they can send someone.

Yikes- or have you already got it covered? Well, at least they'll see there's interest.

[ParanoidPat]

10. BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Right! Have you been following this at all for the last year or so? Do you have ANY idea :wtf: you're talking about? Have you been to the Dennis Kucinich web site to read the Diebold memos for yourself? Have you examined the source code to the machines? I have! :evilgrin:
Be careful what you post, you're ignorance might come back to haunt you!
The Internet has a looooong memory. :)

[reknewcomer]

11. I don't consider Kucinich credible among enough Dems to get him elected

As much as the far left minority on the Democratic part wants to have control it just is not going to happen. We have to live in the real world and if we expect to regain control of the American people we are going to have to do it without pushing mainstream Dems out because of unelectable far left ideals.

[ithacan]

14. it's not about Kucinich. It's the actual memos from Diebold

that have been put up on many websites, including kucinichs.

On the other hand I get the sense that you don't really care about reality, you just want to rant.

Otherwise, why don't you read actual documents and facts before you rant.

[reknewcomer]

28. I have read them and feel it's futile and pointless to pursue

I am all about reality and don't feel like I'm ranting. I am really trying to reasonable and maintain electability. On the subject of ranting...I believe there are thousands of unfounded rants here that need more scolding than this minor disagreement of mine.

[Andy_Stephenson]

29. Well then...if we had listened to you and your defeatist attitude...

we would all have electronic voting and elections rigged from now on. Not on my watch!

[gristy]

38. You've read them?

Fat chance. Post one of them here. Quick.

[TruthIsAll]

55. To argue with this ****** is a waste of time. I suggest IGNORE him..

He is ********** or an infiltrating ****** or both.

I have to use **** because I live in fear of accumulating demerits.

[ConsAreLiars]

57. Demerits on DU

should be offset by merits. (Maybe a weekly allocation by acclamation.) If this were made so you would need not worry.

(edit: skipped a whole word)

[bobbieinok]

15. 'regain control of the American people'??????

What are you talking about?????????????????

[reknewcomer]

23. We had the house for 40 years

Now we don't. That is what I am talking about.

[Andy_Stephenson]

25. Hmmmm...I wonder if it was one of a dozen or so

rigged elections that caused the loss???

[reknewcomer]

31. There have not been "a dozen or so" house elections since we lost it

So I don't know what you are referring to. You *do* know the history of the US house electorate don't you?

[nostamj]

26. well, we're talking about VOTING...

not the House majority

[reknewcomer]

33. The question posed to me was about control - not voting

Having control of the House majority is all about control over the people. The people elect the House moreso than the Senate or Executive branch. Is that more clear now?

[nostamj]

44. the House is meant to REPRESENT the people

not CONTROL them.

you're a would-be fascist, that's clear now

[reknewcomer]

47. Some in the house represents the people that put them there

The majority of the house controls the people that didn't put them there.

I am not a would-be facist and you are no seer.

[HereSince1628]

30. I tripped on that too, I think I'm gonna need a full upper plate...

Democrats have NO INTEREST in controling the American people.

whoa....

[reknewcomer]

36. Democrats have NO INTEREST in controling the American people??????

First of all control is not exclusive to Democrats. Do you really think the goal of getting a majority in the branches of the US government is not about control? How on earth do you expect to furthur the Democratic agenda without having control? In case you didn't notice we are not having much luck passing our agenda while in the minority.

Why bother getting elected if not to have contol of the agenda? Seriously.

[TorchTheWitch]

50. i saw that too

you just got your toes uncurled faster then I did. ;)

[ParanoidPat]

16. Why should anyone consider YOU credible? LOL!

You have GOT to be kidding! Verifiable elections are NOT a "far left ideal". :eyes:
There are almost as many people on the right worried about the problems with using DRE's for voting as there are on the left. You don't have a clue what the announcement is an yet you can say "too much tinfoil"?
Kucinich may not be my first choice for President but he's certainly "credible" enough to run for the office! :evilgrin:
So, where does YOUR credibility on the issue come from? :shrug:

[lysergik]

17. BBV is a non-partisan problem..

Plain and simple. If it wasn't an issue than lawmakers wouldn't be moving to introduce new legislation to require a voter verifiable paper ballot by 2004's election. Secretaries of State would not be issuing orders that required VVPB..

Yup, not important at all.

[nostamj]

18. tedious

and idiotic.

if we expect to regain control of the American people

leave ME out of your WE, please.

verified voting is not a partisan issue. your posts suggest 'corporatist' interests, not political ones.

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. The electronic voting machine

will affect every voter in this country. Even YOU! Perhaps you should educate yourself? Here....go read and learn something.

http://www.blackboxvoting.com/

[hippywife]

32. Far left minority?

You make a huge assupmtion there. Why was it Gore couldn't attract enough voters to have a real edge over Bush in 2000? Don't even lay that on the Greens either. The conservative corner of the Dem party and leadership stopped representing traditional Dem values... that's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

If it weren't for the far left of this party, the conservatives and moderates wouldn't have the first clue about this kinda stuff let alone what to do about it.

[Andy_Stephenson]

20. Tinfoil?!?!?

A lot you know. We have substantiating documentation and the rabbit hole is very deep. Stay tuned...but leave the tinfoil hat at home. I am.

Sincerely,
Andy

[SadEagle]

37. I dunno...

... do computer security experts tend to vote Democratic?

[Eric J in MN]

39. Senator Edwards, Senator Kerry, Senator Bob Graham,

Senator Edwards and Senator Kerry spoke out against black box voting at the Florida convention.

Senator Bob Graham introduced a bill against black box voting (S1980, the Voter Confidence Act).

The NY Times and LA Times have printed editorials (not just op-eds, but editorials) against black box voting.

People want a voter-verifiable paper trail.

[Andy_Stephenson]

43. Voter Verified Paper Ballot

that is the term...not paper trail...not reciept...Ballot

[Kelvin Mace]

49. The issue has been addressed by:

Dennis Kucinich
John Edwards
John Kerry
Hilary Clinton

and many more.

Define "credible Dem".

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org

[RedEagle]

74. Clinton's Bill

By the way, just read Clinton's Voting Machine bill- we don't want it. What a waste of time.

[Occulus]

83. Tinfoil?

Come on over to my apartment and I'll use Diebold's GEMS software to frilling show you how it's done.

Like, wow. Have you been reading about this on the BBV websites?

Did you download the GEMS software and follow Jim's instructions yourself? Did you yourself walk through that gaping backdoor?

Something makes me think not, yet.... but do. Please. There's no tinfoil on this one at all, that I can see...

[Andy_Stephenson]

22. BTW

We have a few biggies coming.

[ParanoidPat]

34. Can't wait Andy but I think I might have a clue!

;-) Until then here's a few old links for reknewcomer to pass the time!
(After all he's read all 14,000 memos already, this couple of threads should be nothing for him. :evilgrin: )

Black Box Voting: The first volley is OUT
Black Box: First Volley propagating nicely
Diebold story: List of media outlets covering this
Scoop/DIEBOLD UBERPOST - Bev Is Everywhere MAN!!!
Black Box Voting: Second Volley - Truth About Rob-Georgia
Black Box Voting:Second Volley /Truth About Rob-Georgia/Thread 2

Edited to make links visible!

[frank frankly]

42. you kick ass

wow
wow
wow

[adadem]

40. Carl Levin (MI) is following closely

[greatauntoftriplets]

41. Wonderful news.

I am told it is a big announcement.

[nostamj]

45. just got off the phone with Andy....

there will be major media there tomorrow.

this can be a major story.

stay tuned (and tune out, well, you know....

[ConsAreLiars]

48. IF the documentation to be distributed at the event

is something that is best distributed in paper form (online pdf's wouldn't work as well for whatever reasons), and is needed in large numbers (several hundred plus), and is also likely to be useful as an independent stand-alone piece (or maybe as a supplement packaged up with the book)....

THEN it might be worth the time and costs to reformat the 20 page dossier that is put together for the press conference into 8-16 page pamphlet form (5.5" X 8.5" or 6" X 9").

Since I am clueless in Seattle, I have no opinion on that, but if so we would need people to do the revised layout and figure out how to cover the costs and handle distribution.

Anyway, something to consider apart from the perpetual question of how to distinguish the impercepient and the impedient visitor.

[BevHarris]

52. Well, I need to stay up all night scanning and need to get pdf files

Because I have several media outlets who can't get there but want the documents.

I was unable to do my typical media blast, because my press blast software seems to have a little problem. One of the software executables has disappeared from my computer altogether (???) and the other will not connect to transmit. Does anyone know how I find out what port is being used for my smtp (outgoing) email?

If I can snag the talents of David Allen, I think we should put the documentation on BlackBoxVoting immediately after the press conference.

Reminder: This is a big announcement, in my opinion, but this has never been a one-punch contest. As nostamj says, it is incremental. Just think of it as scrubbing away the creeping crud that managed to accumulate on our voting system.

Scrub-a-dub.

Bev

[ConsAreLiars]

56. smpt is via port 25

usually, according to:
http://www.keypoint.com.au/knowledge.html?strid=1095

A port monitor like this would what show activity occurs when attempting to send mail or other net activity:
http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/portmon.shtml

Reinstalling the software (maybe rename the original folder to OriginalName-0 beforehand to preserve whatever customization info is in there (unfortunately preferences and settings necessary to get the program functioning might reside elsewhere and still get overwritten unless you have made a full system back-up first) and then copy the contents of OriginalName-0 back into the new OriginalName folder). Better to ask for tech support from the program authors, especially if you have a distinctive error message.

(I thought the documents would be as you describe, and pdf would be the best media, but wasn't sure. Supplements to the book contents like these docs or other new info would be a good section to add to blackboxvoting.com.)

[Andy_Stephenson]

61. This is an outstanding Idea Bumbler!

"Supplements to the book contents like these docs or other new info would be a good section to add to blackboxvoting.com."

edit:add quotes

[BevHarris]

62. Yes. Also, have planned to populate the library with full text of

everything in the footnotes.

And I'm complaining about not having enough time...but here I am on DU. Really must go . . . . . . . . . . .

[Andy_Stephenson]

58. I hate the crud...and it is always the hardest to clean off.

Scrub-a-dub-dub

[BevHarris]

53. ALL DUers ARE WELCOME TO ATTEND.

People have been asking for permission to come. The press conference is totally open to the public, and there's plenty of space.

2 p.m. Tuesday December 16 - at Seattle Labor Temple - 2800 First Ave. - Seattle

[BevHarris]

54. One more thing. Two things, really

Yes, any calls you make to Seattle-Everett-Bellevue area legislators, activists or media will be much appreciated.

And the main thing I wanted to say: I thought there were two stories, but wrote up my notes tonight and there are actually four.

You see, I've been counting like a Republican voting maching in an African-American precinct.

Okay, of these four stories, Andy Stephenson scooped 3.5 of them. He'll call me up after talking with sources and making telephone calls and say "hey, I've got this, is that good?"

Yessir. Then I put my analytical hat on and we start digging documents. He's good at that, too.

Back to my voting machine math: The sum of 2 people (Stephenson/Harris) is about 4. Really good synergy. He does stuff I could never do, like walk up to Tab Iredale's front door and start talking, while checking out the pricey inlaid hardwood floors, big screen TV and Bison Frise dog -- then not five minutes later, schmoozes up a realtor who is familiar with the area who estimates Iredale's home at $1.2 million.

I'm more of a shy person, myself.

Bev

(psst. Andy: Not a hint on the little schmooze coup.
Don't you know what I mean.)

[Andy_Stephenson]

59. Wink Wink....

Yes. Not a word :)

[ParanoidPat]

63. Bev's edit was FAST......

.....but not fast enough! ;-)

Andy, you've got BALLS dude! You'll do great as Secretary of State! :evilgrin:

Thanks! :thumbsup:

:kick:

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

64. golly bev

Are you actually suggesting that you've finally resorted to stalking people? That's scary and freakish. Seriously. I implore you, seek help. :scared:

"I'll get you Tab Iredale! And your little dog too!"

JC

[frank frankly]

65. you're back!

and once again, helping the cause with a kick!

thanks, JC!

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

68. I never left

If I can save the life of even one other programmer then I'll feel as if I've done some small amount of good.

I fail to understand how these types of intimidation tactics serve to further the cause of democracy. Having a problem with a company's practices is one thing; showing up at various employees' homes to harass their families sounds a little sick to me.



"I'll get you Tab Iredale, and your little dog too!"

JC

[Occulus]

86. Collection agents

have been known to show up at people's doors. At dinnertime.

I fail to understand how these types of intimidation tactics serve to further the cause of business. Having a problem with a person's payment schedule is one thing; showing up at various debtors' homes to harass their families sounds a little sick to me.

:)

[ParanoidPat]

66. You can't call it stalking......

.....if they're freely talking! :evilgrin:

I love the smell of desperation in the morning. :)

[Andy_Stephenson]

67. We had nice leisurely chats...

Invited in..."please sit in the dining room".


Stalking :eyes:

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

69. so disturbing

Yes, stalking. That's what it's called. Seriously. Unless you were delivering a complimentary tray of Subway (tm) sandwiches I can't possibly fathom what you would hope to accomplish by showing up at the man's house and harrassing his family.



"I'll get you Tab Iredale, and your little dog too!"

JC

[Andy_Stephenson]

70. Hmmmmm....

I don't remember ever harrasing anyone. In point of fact the visit as I said was quite friendly.

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

75. the birth of a politician

Equivocating and selective memory issues aside, I think the whole stalker lifestyle is probably a bad one for an aspiring secretary of state.

I can't believe you don't think that showing up at Tab Iredale's house is an exercise in intimidation. You know full well that if Tab Iredale or Sophia whatever-her-name-was or that Ken guy showed up in Renton one afternoon to "pay a friendly visit" to Bev that there'd be a huge uproar here on DU. Bev's alluded many times to how she fears for her life, after all. The shameless hypocrisy blows me away.

JC

[BevHarris]

79. Surely you haven't forgotten Sophia's name.

Sophia, appears to be in late 40s, married to Charles.

No one knows if related to Whit but probably not related to Jerry.

A little schmooze coup.
And a river runs through it.

That one was interesting.

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

82. oh my god, it's the return of the lee cartel

This is hilarious, although I've completely lost track of what any of it has to do with voting machines. But I must say I'm suddenly looking forward to your big press conference tomorrow very much. :D



"I'll get you Tab Iredale, and your little dog too!"

JC

[Andy_Stephenson]

85. "Lee Cartel"

hmmm tell me about the Lee cartel...

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

88. can't help you there, lol

All I know about the Lee cartel is what you people tell us. Seriously.

That Lee thing does sound pretty big though. Maybe if Sophia, Whitman, Jerry and Chuck have 700 other relatives you could visit them all, have some dessert and collect all of their signatures for your campaign... that ought to be almost enough. ;)

JC

[Andy_Stephenson]

90. No need...I have all the signatures I need.

Had those long ago. "You people" hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

93. really?

Amazing... just a week ago you said you didn't, and I can't imagine you could have collected many while stalking various people outside the country. Nevertheless, congratulations! :thumbsup:


"I'll get you Tab Iredale, and your little dog too!"

JC

[Andy_Stephenson]

97. Yes...

and then the mail man arrived.

Oh and thanks for the kick!

:kick:

[ParanoidPat]

98. Some people never learn!

:evilgrin:

:kick:

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

101. yep

Doesn't matter how many times I have to point out the obvious, they still don't get it. :(



"I'll get you Tab Iredale, and your little dog too!"

JC

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

99. to recap

Let me get this straight. Just one week ago you didn't have enough signatures in your campaign for secretary of state. You then went and spent some time outside the country, eating fancy italian desserts at the home of a high-up exec from Diebold -- the company that supplies half the voting equipment in your state. Upon your return, you 'suddenly' find that you do in fact now have enough signatures after all. Interesting... and very troublesome, somehow.

If I distrusted Diebold, I'd be very suspicious about the sudden turn-around in your campaign. I think this bears some further investigation.



"I'll get you Tab Iredale, and your little dog too!"

JC

[Andy_Stephenson]

100. There are many around the state volunteering on my behalf.

I think your tinfoil is a bit too tight. Might want to loosen it just a bit.

Oh and goodnight. I have a busy day tomorrow!

[BevHarris]

102. Again, you crack me up, tinfoil.

But I have to go to bed. Big day tomorrow. Take another sip.

[Andy_Stephenson]

103. "Take another sip"

Hell...have another bottle. You must be drinking the good stuff.

[ParanoidPat]

105. ROFLMAO!

You are just TOO funny! :evilgrin:
I not only bookmark these threads, I download and save the pages as well! :)

You do know that the server logs keep a record of each IP address that requests a page don't you?

[BevHarris]

91. One thing about you, tinfoil

You actually are a hoot. How I have missed our repartee. reparty. reparting.

Why bother with spellcheck, I'm sure you will correct me. Been in the bottle much lately?

[BevHarris]

87. Something I never really found out: How do Diebold execs

relate to that fabulous Vancouver skyline -- if at all?

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

89. and more importantly...

How exactly does it relate to electronic voting machines?


"I'll get you Tab Iredale, and your little dog too!"

JC

[BevHarris]

92. Well, there are three ways to explain a $1.2 million home

- inheritance
- liquidated the stock options
- (we won't go there)

Randall Iredale, the great architect of Vancouver. Or was it Randolph? It is true that the architecture in Vancouver is fabulous.

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

94. and yet...

... what any of this fascinating diatribe has to do with electronic voting still escapes me. Seriously.


"I'll get you Tab Iredale, and your little dog too!"

JC

[Andy_Stephenson]

95. Astounding even...

Vancouver is a really lovely town for those of you who have never been there.

[creativelcro]

113. You mean, bribes ?

>>
- inheritance
- liquidated the stock options
- (we won't go there)

Randall Iredale, the great architect of Vancouver. Or was it Randolph? It is true that the architecture in Vancouver is fabulous.
>>

[frank frankly]

72. seriously, THP, just sell your Diebold stocks now, and get with it

or just keep kicking it, holmes!

[ParanoidPat]

71. Do you ever wonder.....

.....what TFHP has to hide? :evilgrin:

[Andy_Stephenson]

73. I wonder if he is old

Tab Iredale himself....

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

77. not much to hide here

Just my address, in case some crazy stalker shows up to have "a friendly chat" with my maid, or kill my dog or something.



"I'll get you Tab Iredale, and your little dog too!"

JC

[BevHarris]

76. For my part, I liked the interview where we shared tiramisu

:)

I'm getting a better idea who tinfoil hat is, though.

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

80. that's hilarious

Yes, the hallmark of the evil mastermind is to serve "the enemy" dessert. Evil. You'd think he'd be... I don't know, frantically shredding papers or something.



"I'll get you Tab Iredale, and your little dog too!"

JC

[frank frankly]

84. my dear TGF, have you ever posted about any other subject?

you are funny, though!

and full of kicks!

doesn't it suck that you have to kick the whole thread just to post?

bummer.

[Occulus]

96. ka-CHING!

Empty the register, sir; you've just won the prize.

[Ksec]

60. Sadly, this wont get any play in the sheeples America

America doesnt want real news, they like the Tracy Peterson stuff.

This is big news.

[RedEagle]

78. This is real "reality TV"

Get a breath of reality, take it all in, and get going.

Take Back The Vote for The People!

[ParanoidPat]

81. I hate to disagree with you but.....

.....check out the threads in post #34 and keep in mind that as every other issue has fallen into the 'memory hole', Black Box Voting has continued in the news every day since the 'first volley' was fired in july! This issue has legs! Thousands of long beautiful hairy legs! :evilgrin:

[Andy_Stephenson]

104. I just love

Hairy Legs :evilgrin:

[punpirate]

106. Ignoring all the side trips...

... if just one Seattle tv station is there, it's possible to get a copy of the videotape from them. If none of the stations are interested, there should be someone there with a camcorder--get a copy from them. Turn it over to the nearest indymedia, and they can have the salient bits converted to .mpg in a relatively short space of time, which can be distributed to politicians and other interested parties by CD, or via the web.

That said, the documentation will likely be of greater interest, and that should be readily available in .pdf.

Go get `em!

Cheers.

[Andy_Stephenson]

107. I have 4 cameras coming tomorrow.

So fear not...there will be a record.


Now I really have to get in bed. I have to ride the Bus tomorrow since I wrecked my car on friday (Maybe Termite will give me a ride)...and no rental till Wed.

[Andy_Stephenson]

108. Today is the day

:kick:

[greatauntoftriplets]

109. Good luck!!!!

:hi: :toast:

[RedEagle]

110. Sorry to hear about the car

Take a taxi maybe?

Kick!

[Andy_Stephenson]

111. A taxi downtown would be $20

the bus is .75....Far more economical. :) Plus I can visit with the electorate on the way.

[creativelcro]

112. Kick again

[RedEagle]

114. Yep, you're right

Get more personal interaction on public transportation.

Maybe you can even get a few to come to the press conference.

Now, how likely is it that Boeing, who has probably known about where the new plane is going to be built, just happened to announce, today, that their press conference will be in Seattle at 2pm also?

I mean, did it have to be 2pm?

And I guess Sam Reed, Washington SOS, speaks on electronic voting the same day? (but earlier)

Good gravy.....