Dean "attack" ad from shadow group: progressivevalues.com...(link)

[pinto]

http://www.deanforamerica.com/attackad

This is low....

[barbaraann]

1. "We live in a dangerous world."

THAT is the central mind-control meme of the Skull and Bones crowd.

We live in a dangerous world only because the people who run things make it that way.

[AntiCoup2K4]

3. And which candidate is from Skull and Bones?

....who just happens to have links to the perpetrators??

Judas IsKerryot.

[curse10]

7. nice

:eyes:

[corporatewhore]

2. this is very low it

[NashVegas]

4. Registrar

Registrant:
Windermere Communications

based in Florida.

Went to Opensecrets.com and found they'd made a small handful of contributions to Harkin, and one to Boswell in 2002.

[alfredo]

5. I just ran a whois on them and

I got this:

mail:~ elfin$ whois http://progressivevalues.com

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

No match for "HTTP://PROGRESSIVEVALUES.COM".

>>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:24:24 EST <<<

NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is
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[GOPBasher]

6. Who is that add for?

It's obviously against Dean, but is it FOR someone, or did they just want to attack Dean for the fun of it?

[Demobrat]

8. That's the point.

Nobody knows who it's for. All we know is that whoever paid for the ad is too cowardly to stand up and state their opinion openly and honestly, like the candidate they're attacking.

[SadEagle]

9. Not for anyone.

And no one knows for sure who is footing the bill. There are some weak personal associations w/some of the campaigns, but nothing beyond that.

[pinto]

10. that's what burns me, if someone has a beef with a candidate, do so,

up front. And say what it is, or who it is, you support.

[Fleshdancer]

16. Not only is the ad not for someone,

but the entire website is about Howard Dean. If you look on the "issues" page, it lists the issues this group disagrees with Dean on and nothing else.

What gets me is that this ad is running or will run in two different states so how much do you think it costs?? $100,000? $300,000?? We don't know where the money is coming from, the few people we know who are a part of this organization are Democrats, and a lot of money was plopped down for no other reason than to scare people. odd.

[WillyT]

11. Yeah, It's Low Alright, Just Like Incestual Rape Is Low !!!

No, wait, that's criminal, this is 'just politics'.

:puke:

Trying to stay Abb, trying to stay ABB, trying...

:argh:

[St. Jarvitude]

12. Excuse me while I go vomit...

:puke:

I'm not necessarily a Dean supporter all the way, but this sort of ad, no matter who the target. I'm embarassed to be living in the same country as the idiots who funded this.

[drfemoe]

20. it has come to this

eom

[Clovis Sangrail]

13. FWIW: Ties to Kerry, Gephardt, and Clinton

From http://www.theculturalelite.com/
I did not find the stuff at Kos.

There has been some very interesting sleuthing done over at the Daily Kos. Their Host is PSI.net. Other info includes the following:

The group, which says it is not affiliated with any candidate, includes treasurer David Jones, who has been a fund-raiser for Gephardt, and spokesman Robert Gibbs, who last month resigned as chief spokesman for Kerry's campaign.
Mr. Feighan was also Bill Clinton's Campaign Communications Director.

[Fleshdancer]

17. wow

I didn't know Feighan was Bill Clinton's campaign communications director.

[drfemoe]

19. stuff from KOS

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2003/12/13/235418/54

Highlights:

Mr. Feighan was Congressman from Ohio (his Chief of Staff was George Stephanopoulos) for ten years before he decided not to run for reelection due to his being named as one of the 22 worst offenders in the House Check Kiting Scandal (397 bad checks).

Mr. Feighan was also implicated in the House Post Office Scandal (which sent Dan Rostenkowski to jail).

Mr. Feighan also sabotaged a probe of Neil Bush during the S&L scandal in the late eighties by withdrawing his name at the last minute from a list of Democrats demanding an investigation.

This and other assorted facts are detailed in the snippets from articles below.

[janx]

21. This has NOTHING to do with the Clintons.

Nothing.

[Fahrenheit911]

14. baloney

a cute puppy could beat Bush on foreign policy

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

15. The Osama ad was sleazy and beyond the pale

I can't stand Dean, but the ad with Osama's face was shameful and disgusting for any Democrat.

[drfemoe]

18. It's from Clark and his friends

.. the Clintons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=895149#902279

..snipped..
Welcome to the Soros paid ads. Expect many more.

Edward F. Feighan was Bill Clinton's campaign Communications Director who got pretty close to Hillary at the Institute for Policy Studies
http://www.ips-dc.org/index.htm

It was Edward F. Feighan who introduced the Brady Bill in the House in 1987 as the NRA campaigned heavily against the gun control issue. http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/Aborn1.html

George Stephanopoulos was his Administrative Assistant and later his Chief of Staff.
http://63.147.65.175/books/chap0411b.htm

Served on the Clinton Administration: Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/dward/classes/congpres/sim00.html


Neo-cons
vs
Centrists
vs
Progressives
vs
Corporations
vs
sincere, confused people, who don't have a clue about what's really going on
...
con't

[realFedUp]

22. I hope Soros isn't paying for these ads

Someone's got to take responsibility for these.

[Tom Rinaldo]

23. If more people shared that type of logic

I would have to find a different party to belong to, if your reasoning was deemed acceptable for Democrats. Are you Pro Patriot Act by the way? Ashcroft wants the authority to condemn whoever he wants based on his suspicians and flimsey to non existent evidence also. So you are ready to convict, because it seems some of the many dozens of people who can be considered "close to the Clintons" put money into the group that put out that ad. That is enough to blame the Clintons in your book. Not only that, but since Clark has some ex Clinton people involved in his campaign, the ad is now "from Clark and his friends". Well heck, we never needed that Bill of Rights anyway, it was an after thought afterall. We have a perfectly fine Constitution without it.

Oh by the way, didn't Dean hire a fund raiser who has also raised money for Bush? I shudder to think what that must prove.

[drfemoe]

24. n/t

:kick:

[knight_of_the_star]

26. Ummm...

I somehow doubt that the Clark campaign has anything to do with this ad. Clark has made a point of NOT using these kind of low blows and is focusing his energy (and money) on Bush.

[Tinoire]

27. Maybe not Clark campaign but a group of Clark supporters has already been

implicated in an orchestrated smear campaign against Dean over the Israel/Palestinian issue. Neither Lehane nor Fabiani are well known for possessing too many scruples either. When they first came on board to the Clark campaign, several Clark supporters were unhappy about it precisely because of that reason.

CAMPAIGN CONFIDENTIAL
E.J. KESSLER
FORWARD STAFF

December 5, 2003

Jews for Clark: As retired general Wesley Clark campaigned at a large synagogue in south Florida this week, one of the grassroots groups supporting his campaign, "Jews for Clark," was spreading the word about the general with an e-mail message that raised some eyebrows at Clark's campaign headquarters in Little Rock.

<snip>

"There are many in our community who think George Bush's support for Israel and Middle East intervention is good for our interests," the group's e-mail says. "But if you look at the bigger picture, you see a major erosion of American power and influence in the world and an erosion of American ideals at home — and this has major implications for both Israel and the Jewish community.

<snip>

After a traditional Democratic appeal blasting Bush for his stances on abortion and separation of church and state ñ both issues on which American Jews are at the extreme liberal end of political spectrum — the message concludes, "All of this behavior presents a clear and present danger to Jewish interests and it means that as a community we have to come together to defeat Bush next November." The group touts Clark as a nominee who "can win."

Clark's Jewish outreach coordinator, Greg Caplan, told the Forward that he hadn't seen the message until receiving it from the Forward, and he practically disavowed the group. "We have a lot of grassroots groups," Caplan said. "Some we are in closer coordination with than others. ... It's a free country. People are allowed to do whatever they want. There's no relation between us and them."

Dean's adviser for Jewish affairs, Matt Dorf, blasted the Clark campaign. "Wesley Clark needs to decide what kind of campaign he going to run, whether he's going to allow supporters to distort opponents' records, or whether he's going to distance himself from them and shut them down," Dorf said. "They're trying to have it both ways. Howard Dean's support for Israel and for Middle East peace is second to none."

<snip>

http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.12.05/news6.campaigncon.html

[bicentennial_baby]

30. Which the campaign disavowed

"Clark's Jewish outreach coordinator, Greg Caplan, told the Forward that he hadn't seen the message until receiving it from the Forward, and he practically disavowed the group. "We have a lot of grassroots groups," Caplan said. "Some we are in closer coordination with than others. ... It's a free country. People are allowed to do whatever they want. There's no relation between us and them."


Which is what really matters...

[knight_of_the_star]

25. Compared to the RNC ad

This is tame. And it DOES point out some information that should be considered, not to mention Bush's 200 million dollar war chest.

[tkmorris]

28. No this is NOT tame

Look, I know you're a Clark guy but let's be real here ok? One of these guys will be the Democratic nominee. If they all start slinging the kind of stuff this ad is made of around the eventual winner will hardly be in the best of shape to tackle Bush.

That should be the primary goal. Not to have <insert name here> get the nomination, but to make sure that WHOVER gets the nod is in position to beat Bush. ABB all the way.

[dusty64]

29. Can anyone tell me

more about this guy (I don't remember him) and these corporations.




Former Congressman Edward Feighan is the President of Americans for Jobs, Health Care & Progressive Values. He is also currently the Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of ProCentury Corporation, the parent of the Century Insurance Group based in Columbus, Ohio. The Century Insurance Group is a specialty-lines insurer, writing commercial property/casualty insurance for niche markets nationwide, operating in 49 States and has annual gross premiums of approximately $175 million. Mr. Feighan has served as member of the board of directors of ProCentury since October, 2000.

Mr. Feighan served 20 consecutive years in elected office beginning in 1972. He served as a State Representative for six years, a Cuyahoga County Commissioner for four years, and as member of the United States House of Representatives for ten years. Congressman Feighan has been recognized as a leading authority on foreign policy and international trade and finance.

Since departing Congress in 1993, Congressman Feighan has served as a member of the Commission on Privatization in Russia; the U.S. Commission for Improving the United Nations; the Board of Trustees of the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs; the National Council of International Programs; and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum.

From 1996 to 1998, Mr. Feighan served as the Senior Vice President, founding President, CEO and director of Century Business Services, Inc. (NASDAQ: CBIZ). Century Business Services was recognized as the Best Growth Company in Ohio in 1999 by the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

Mr. Feighan is also a founding partner of American Foreign Capital Partners (AFCAP). Maintaining offices in Cleveland, Ohio and St. Petersburg, Russia, AFCAP represents several multi-national businesses in the former Soviet Union. From 1998 until Mr. Feighan joined the senior management of Century Insurance Group, he served as the Managing Partner of Alliance Financial, Limited, a Cleveland, Ohio-based firm specializing in mergers, acquisitions and merchant banking services.

http://www.progressivevalues.com/default.asp?ID=3