Tehran to file case against Saddam

[number6]

>>Iran is preparing a criminal complaint to present at any international court that may try former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein over the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war.

Government spokesman Abd Allah Ramazanzadeh said on Monday that the foreign ministry had already taken some steps on the matter.

About 300,000 Iranians were killed in the eight year war, including thousands who succumbed to chemical weapons attacks used by the Iraqi army.
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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/5CA6BB09-365C-4C2F-A4A3-C4FAE089771F.htm

and will Rummy be indicted as co-conspirator, providing aid
for Saddam's Gas

[ithacan]

1. yes, the US will definitely be involved in this trial

in particular Rumsfeld and others who were running Reagan and Bush I's foreign policies at that time.

[cprise]

2. Interesting. Watch this one!

Kick

[PSR40004]

3. Ol Sadam is in deep...

People seem to forget just how bad this guy was at times...

[NNN0LHI]

6. Forget how bad he was? Are you nuts or something?

Hussein was the USA's man in Iraq for the better part of two decades. No, we are never going to forget him or the people like Reagan and Bush 1 who created this monster to begin with either.

Don

[bobthedrummer]

9. The US, UK and even Israel helped Saddam against Iran

Here is Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam during Reagan/Bush Iraqgate days.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/index.htm

[NNN0LHI]

10. And they helped Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran kill Iraqis at the same time

Remember the Iran/Contra hearings?

Don

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/

FINAL REPORT OF THE
INDEPENDENT COUNSEL FOR
IRAN/CONTRA MATTERS

Volume I:
Investigations and Prosecutions
Lawrence E. Walsh
Independent Counsel
August 4, 1993
Washington, D.C.
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT
Division for the Purpose of
Appointing Independent Counsel
Division No. 86-6


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TABLE OF CONTENTS: Volume 1
Contributors

Letter of Transmittal iii
Executive Summary xiii
Summary of Prosecutions xxiii
Part I The Underlying Facts 1
Part II History of the Investigation 25
Chronology of Key Public Developments 51
Part III The Operational Conspiracy:
A Legal Analysis 55
Part IV Investigations and Cases:
The National Security Council Staff 77
Chapter 1 U.S. v. Robert C. McFarlane 79
Chapter 2 U.S. v. Oliver L. North 105
Chapter 3 U.S. v. John M. Poindexter 123
Chapter 4 Paul B. Thompson 137
Chapter 5 Fawn Hall 147
Chapter 6 Robert L. Earl 151
Chapter 7 Thomas C. Green 155
Part V Investigations and Cases:
The Flow of Funds and the Private Operatives 157
Chapter 8 The Enterprise and Its Finances 159
Chapter 9 U.S. v. Richard V. Secord 173
Chapter 10 U.S. v. Albert Hakim 179
Chapter 11 U.S. v. Thomas G. Clines 181
Chapter 12 Swiss Funds Recovery Efforts 185
Chapter 13 Private Fundraisers (U.S. v. Carl R. Channell and U.S. v. Richard R. Miller) 187
Chapter 14 Other Money Matters 193
Part VI Investigations and Cases:
Officers of the Central Intelligence Agency 199
Chapter 15 William J. Casey 201
Chapter 16 Robert M. Gates 223
Chapter 17 U.S. v. Clair E. George 233
Chapter 18 U.S. v. Duane R. Clarridge 247
Chapter 19 U.S. v. Alan D. Fiers, Jr. 263
Chapter 20 U.S. v. Joseph F. Fernandez 283
Chapter 21 CIA Subject #1 295
Chapter 22 James L. Adkins 309
Chapter 23 Conduct of CIA Officers in November 1986 311
Part VII Investigations and Cases:
Officers of the Department of State 325
Chapter 24 George P. Shultz, M. Charles Hill and Nicholas Platt 325
Chapter 25 U.S. v. Elliott Abrams 375
Chapter 26 Edwin G. Corr 393
Part VIII Investigations and Cases:
Officers of the Department of Defense (U.S. v. Caspar W. Weinberger and Related Investigations) 405
Part IX Investigations of the White House 443
Chapter 27 President Reagan 445
Chapter 28 George Bush 473
Chapter 29 Donald P. Gregg 485
Chapter 30 Donald T. Regan 505
Chapter 31 Edwin Meese, III 525
Part X Political Oversight and the Rule of Law 555
Part XI Concluding Observations 561
Index 567

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Source for this document

[cprise]

11. Right. They set Iran/Iraq against each other

...to prevent these countries from becoming powerful. There is more than a hint of genocide here;

... on the part of the US I am sad to say.

[NNN0LHI]

14. Then Bush asks stupid questions like "why do they hate us"?

He is pathetic.

Don

[bobthedrummer]

12. Iraqgate link

http://www.webcom.com/~lpease/collections/hidden/teicher.htm

[NNN0LHI]

4. Wonder if the Iranians will want the people charged who supplied Iraq...

...with the WMD's and the targeting info to use them? Where is old man Bush these days anyway?

Don

[ComerPerro]

5. Good

This will be interesting. But once again average Americans will be oblivious to all of it. They really are just too fucking stupid to give a shit.

[cirej2000]

7. Amen!

It's amazing how we chase him for using weapons of mass destruction and yet we gave him the weapons.

Would you like to make a deal with the World Court Mr. Rumsfeld? You can avoid the death penalty for your crimes against the people of Iraq and the victims of Hallabjah who were gassed by your co-conspirator Saddam!

Rummy: I was just following orders!

That didn't save the Germans who the US executed as part of the Nuremburg trials! Answer or DIE!
:spank:

[bobthedrummer]

17. Well someone recruited a lot of Nazis and gave them American identities

and jobs in national security battling godless communism.
http://www.goordnance.apg.army.mil/OPpaperclip.htm

http://www.infoage.org/paperclip.html

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/ratlines.htm

BTW, welcome to Democratic Underground:hi:

[number6]

8. Mr. Rumsfeld if your reading this ...

nuthin personnel just wonderin ....

and if you WSJ and Rush trolls are reading this
please mention it in the paper and on the Radio
show .... :hi: thanx

[coda]

13. The truth is, the Iran/Iraq war happened because Iranians pushed it.

Hussein was ruthless, but the fact remains: Hussein was forced into a war he didn't want.

[number6]

15. I heard different ...

thot he was after territory Iran held, just like he was after
Kuwait, I could be wrong, but do you got a link for that ??

[NNN0LHI]

18. Word of warning. The winners of wars write the history books

There was no winner in the Iran/Iraq war. It was fought to a bloody stalemate, so expect differing opinions.

Don

[coda]

21. I think the territory along the river that divides them had been in

contention, but Iraq made an agreement in '75, to give it up as a concession.

If you'll wait a sec I'll look for the link.

[coda]

22. Here's a link #6 (and all others curious)

First off though, I'm not taking the following as verbatim truth. I believe like Don that there were no winners, but I think there are a lot of things it brings up that are worth considering. The fact that Iraq had 13 million pop. and Iran had 38 million pop. in 1980 (that's the claim). Iran also was armed to the teeth then, far more so than Iraq.


No doubt Hussein was made oodles of promises for arms by the US and eventually Russia and promises of monetary support from Kuwait, the Saudis and others. Iran was somewhat of a pariah in the ME too, at that time.

They also give instances of Iraq/Hussein doing things to avoid problems with Iran. Iran was doing things that no other country would have put up with. There's no doubt he tried to use a modicum of restraint in dealing with the Iranians. I don't think he ever thought he could take over Iran or topple their new theocracy, but it's pretty obvious Iran thought they could topple the b'athists and Saddam.


If anybody has more links, I love to see them.


http://www.ndu.edu/nwc/writing/AY01/5602/SeminarO5602BestPaper.pdf


If you don't want the pdf, then google:

THE IRAN-IRAQ WAR: EXCEEDING MEANS

and they have a html link


www.goggle.com

[coda]

26. Kick links

:kick:

[cirej2000]

16. Forced by whom? Iran or the US?

I think that we had a score to settle after losing face in the Desert that day. The military hated Carter and blame him for Desert 1. But it was still their f***up! The wanted to hurt Iran and hurt them bad. So they egged Hussein on by letting him know that the aide would be forthcoming if he needed it.

[cprise]

19. Well the Iranians seem to have something to say about that

...unless you think a trial would be conducted without taking motives into account.

I'm sure there is blame on both sides... that's how the powerful can create wars, by selectively amplifying misunderstandings and misdeeds that tend to occur between people and groups all the time.

But having SUPPLIED both sides in that conflict, the greater blame may indeed fall on the powerful (US).

[Aidoneus]

23. in what sense?

do you mean the Islamic Republic's support of al-Daawa & Sadr? The activities of the revolutionary Islamic groups in Iraq predated Khomeini's good fortune, that was only an excuse by Hussein. While the Islamic revolution from Tehran would quite naturally spread to the region, particularly Iraq and the Gulf (as it worked out even with the Iran-Iraq war), this ignores the fact that, strictly speaking, Hussein indeed started the war by sending the Iraqi army over the border first.

Leaving vague generalities aside, the conflict more or less dates back to US/Israeli/Iranian strongarming over the outlet to the Gulf earlier in the 70s (this was when Iran was under the boot of America's fascist dictator Pahlavi); the three meddling forces used Kurdish nationalism as a way of forcing Iraq's hand into ceding the Tigris-Euphrates outlet to the Iranians as a way of effectively landlocking Iraq, permanently keeping it at the whims of the world imperialist powers, and keeping Israeli-Iranian domination of the region for the benefit of US interests. When America's fascist dictator of Iran fell, American agents turned the other way and prodded Saddam into taking back what was forced away from Iraq while revolutionary Iran was considered weak and fractured (this turned out to be false and a disaster, but American arms companies grew fat off the charred bodies all the same). This was accomplished through promises of aid and deals from the US gov't and its lackey regimes around the world--which would end up being billions in loans, military equipment, and technology--and the typical immunity for atrocities that America's imperialist umbrella tends to provide.

[coda]

25. Read my link from above

edited to add: NOT

At least the 1st 10 pages. It wasn't just the Kurds, but Iran was also training shias in the south and sending them back across the Iraq/Iran border.

Obviously that wasn't something Iraq was doing to Iran. Look, I'm NOT saying that Hussein didn't have responsibility in this, but not only did Iran believe that they could turn the Shia's against Saddam in the south they were definitely working this, training them and stirring up trouble there as well as funding assassination attempts.

Saddam wasn't doing this to them, hell he didn't need too, Iran had a God's plenty of internal problems already. Saddam's invasion looked more like he was trying to stop problems in the south rather than going for the "brass ring". 13 million pop. against 38 million. I don't think he wanted the all out war it became, I think it was mainly him trying check them. Bad, bad mistake.

[sistersofmercy]

20. What more of the Iranians yankin' bush* cos chain?

It's funny even the Kuwaitis are refusing to grant debt relief to Iraq over damages awarded after the GWI.
I'd say the Iranians are trumping bush* at every turn.

[Djinn]

24. this is why

I don't think we'll see a trial - atleast not one where the defence can talk much - too many uncomfortable facts can come out