Kerry's house of cards

[Lobo_13]

I went to the Jefferson Jackson Dinner in Iowa a few weeks ago and sat in a section right next to Kerry's section. My girlfriend commented that the people supporting Kerry looked really young. And I mean REALLY young. Later, I was talking to a person wearing a "Real Deal" shirt (that was handed out at the event), and she said she was a high school student. Kerry packed his JJ sections with high school students. And he still couldn't come close to Dean supporters.

Just today, he held a "Town Hall Meeting" for "undecided" voters. When cornered, one of the "undecided" voters admitted that he was a supporter and that there was a session before the meeting to distribute pre-written questions.

Kerry is a fake. That's why he's going to lose the nom. Every word he utters, every move he makes, is calculated to try and sell him to voters. What he doesn't understand, and what most folks are clued into is that he is transparent. When a 60 year old man uses "dis" in a debate, he just makes himself look foolish. I'll give him the "f-bomb" though. That was calculated, but probably a reflection of how he speaks when no one is looking.

[DrFunkenstein]

1. No Need To Change Your Name Just To Post Anti-Kerry

We don't respect you anyway.

[Lobo_13]

I'll be sure to shed a tear about that tonight

And just who do you think I be?

[Octafish]

21. You want to know phony?

A phony is a man whose character allows him to show up for his draft physical and claim to suffer a debilitating back condition to avoid military service. Howard Dean did exactly that, bringing a note from his orthopedist and an X-ray from his radiologist and then stating his back hurt when he did certain physical activities, like running. The Army gave Dean a deferment and he celebrated by skiing that entire winter in Vale, Colorado. I remember reading Dean claimed he was "Master of the Moguls."

Odd for someone with a bad back. What's even more strange is that this guy now wants to be Commander-in-Chief. I doubt too many people will want to follow a coward into combat — or should I say, want to be ordered into combat by a coward.

[Lobo_13]

36. yeah

because skiing is a hell of a whole lot worse on your back than mucking through the jungle with an eighty pound pack. People who try to make this case are not thinking properly, and most likely have no clue about what combat conditions really mean (I have to be careful, I get deleted if I don't treat people with kid gloves).

In the early seventies, NOBODY wanted to be drafted. I submit that he wanted to be drafted EXACTLY as much as every other person in the building on that day or any other day that year. The difference is that he had the wherewithal to be prepared (as many, many, many people did.) He didn't make the back condition up (do you know what was wrong with his back?), he didn't pay someone off to write a bogus letter. He showed up, took his physical, gave them his medical records, and they told him that he wasn't healthy enough. People who can't accept that are suffering from some kind of neurosis.

[quaker bill]

6. Agreed

No need to change the name at all.

[Lobo_13]

11. Seriously, I would like to know who you think I am

Because I'm the real deal. Just arrived, and I have to admit, you folks amuse me to no end.

[sandnsea]

8. lobo - wolf in sheep's clothing

That's what I think.

[Raya]

39. SAD, But I have Deaniac Friend doing these PHONY ATTACK POST

The Dean campaign is a amazing machine, and some cogs are
assigned to exactly this type of smear-based campaign against
Gephart and Kerry.

It is one of the reasons I don't think Dean should get
the nomination, even though it look like he will.

[WindRavenX]

2. Not to start anything....

...but the same could be said for Dean. Or DK. Or Clark.
Any canidate will try to appeal to the 18-35 age bracket because they don't vote. It's not a Kerry problem, it's a general voting problem that is going to haunt all of the canidates.

[Lobo_13]

4. There's a difference between non-voters

and kids who ain't old enough to vote. High school students = too young to vote.

Dean didn't have to go trolling high schools to bring his numbers up at JJ.

[woofless]

3. "Kerry is a fake" is truly insulting.

Look at the man's record and get real. If it makes you feel good to bash candidates, go ahead. It just makes you look like a fool.

[Lobo_13]

5. Now remember that every time

one of your brethren open up on another candidate. I don't see a whole lot of "Lay off" posts from kerry supporters when another kerry supporter spews.

All I see, for the most part, is "Right on"

[woofless]

42. For what it's worth I agree with you

and I defy you to find a thread where I have bashed anyone's choice for candidate. That does not justify calling a good man and proven public servant a fake.

[sandnsea]

7. More unsubstantiated smears

This campaign really takes the high road. Proud to be a democrat again? :eyes:

[Lobo_13]

10. Tell you what

Why don't you count up all the smears on this site against Dean (include the repeaters, just for giggles), then compare them to comparable smears against Kerry.

Now who's taking the high road? Be honest.

BTW, I talked to the girl. It's not a second hand story. I said she looked a little young to be voting and she told me that she was invited to come with a bunch of her classmates.

Whether you believe it is irrelevent.

[XanaDUer]

13. Who is lobo_13?

Who? I won't tell...

:evilgrin:

[Lobo_13]

16. I'll bet you all the money in my pocket

against all the money in your pocket that you don't.

[windansea]

24. hey sandnsea

check out this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=914087&mesg_id=914087

some of the borg think I am you!

[JohnKleeb]

26. I embarassingly thought you were sandsnea

:hi: I am not a Kerry supporter but he has my support if hes the nod and I envy the RFK Jr endorsement.

[sandnsea]

45. So now I'm hurt

You forgot my name.


:cry:

[sandnsea]

43. I thought about warning you!!!

I'm glad it was Kleeb, I know he was good to you.

Hope you don't end up with any heat because of the names. People will get it straightened out soon enough I guess.

Welcome! :hi:

[sandnsea]

44. rotfl

I just started reading that thread. Funny, hysterical. I'm a covert agent who's taken two identities. And I do such a piss poor job that I choose names almost the same! People really have lost their pea-pickin' minds.

And I won't get an apology either.

[WilliamPitt]

9. Yep, he's just as fake as can be

By the way, what have you done with the last 20 years of your life?

==

John Kerry on Abortion

No criminalization of a woman's right to choose. (Jun 7)
Voted NO on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
Voted NO on disallowing overseas military abortions. (May 1999)

John Kerry on Budget & Economy

Bush policy kept economy afloat in recession-keep some of it. (Sep 25)
No excuse for special tax cuts for the rich. (Jun 17)
Voted NO on prioritizing national debt reduction below tax cuts. (Apr 2000)
Voted NO on 1998 GOP budget. (May 1997)
Voted NO on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment. (Mar 1997)

John Kerry on Civil Rights

Include a sunset provision in the Patriot Act. (Jun 17)
Voted YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
Voted YES on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women. (Mar 1998)
Voted NO on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business. (Oct 1997)
Voted NO on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
Voted YES on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on Amendment to prohibit flag burning. (Dec 1995)
Voted NO on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995)
Shift from group preferences to economic empowerment of all. (Aug 2000)

John Kerry on Corporations

Democratize the process of corporate boards. (Sep 25)
Voted NO on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)

John Kerry on Crime

Voted YES on $1.15 billion per year to continue the COPS program. (May 1999)
Voted NO on limiting death penalty appeals. (Apr 1996)
Voted NO on limiting product liability punitive damage awards. (Mar 1996)
Voted YES on restricting class-action lawsuits. (Dec 1995)
Voted YES on repealing federal speed limits. (Jun 1995)
Voted NO on mandatory prison terms for crimes involving firearms. (May 1994)
Voted NO on rejecting racial statistics in death penalty appeals. (May 1994)
More funding and stricter sentencing for hate crimes. (Apr 2001)
Require DNA testing for all federal executions. (Mar 2001)

John Kerry on Drugs

Voted NO on increasing penalties for drug offenses. (Nov 1999)
Voted NO on spending international development funds on drug control. (Jul 1996)

John Kerry on Education

Voted YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
Voted YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
Voted YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction. (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on Educational Savings Accounts. (Mar 2000)
Voted NO on allowing more flexibility in federal school rules. (Mar 1999)
Voted NO on education savings accounts. (Jun 1998)
Voted NO on school vouchers in DC. (Sep 1997)
Voted NO on $75M for abstinence education. (Jul 1996)
Voted NO on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. (Jul 1994)
Voted YES on national education standards. (Feb 1994)
Offer every parent Charter Schools and public school choice. (Aug 2000)
Three R’s: $35B for Reinvestment,Reinvention,Responsibility. (Jan 2001)

John Kerry on Energy & Oil

ANWR won't provide any oil for 20 years. (Sep 25)
Invent our way out of oil dependency-don't drill our way out. (Sep 25)
Invest in advancing secure forms of energy instead of oil. (Jun 17)
Led effort to try to raise fuel efficiency standards. (May 3)
Create new energy sources to end Mideast dependency. (May 2002)
Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 10)
Voted YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (Mar 19)
Voted NO on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
Voted NO on replacing CAFE standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002)
Voted NO on preserving budget for ANWR oil drilling. (Apr 2000)
Voted YES on keeping CAFE fuel efficiency standards. (Sep 1999)
Voted NO on defunding renewable and solar energy. (Jun 1999)
Voted NO on approving a nuclear waste repository. (Apr 1997)
Voted NO on do not require ethanol in gasoline. (Aug 1994)
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases. (Aug 2000)

John Kerry on Environment

Safeguard the environment and grow the economy. (Jun 17)
Voted NO on confirming Gale Norton as Secretary of Interior. (Jan 2001)
Voted NO on more funding for forest roads and fish habitat. (Sep 1999)
Voted NO on transportation demo projects. (Mar 1998)
Voted YES on reducing funds for road-building in National Forests. (Sep 1997)
Voted YES on terminating desert protection in California. (Oct 1994)
Voted YES on requiring EPA risk assessments. (May 1994)
Reduce liability for hazardous waste cleanup. (May 2001)

John Kerry on Families & Children

Fund Head Start to leave no child behind. (Sep 4)
Voted YES on restricting violent videos to minors. (May 1999)
Give parents tools to balance work and family. (Aug 2000)

John Kerry on Foreign Policy

Voted YES on enlarging NATO to include Eastern Europe. (May 2002)
Voted YES on killing a bill for trade sanctions if China sells weapons. (Sep 2000)
Voted NO on cap foreign aid at only $12.7 billion. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on limiting the President's power to impose economic sanctions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on limiting NATO expansion to only Poland, Hungary & Czech. (Apr 1998)
Voted YES on $17.9 billion to IMF. (Mar 1998)
Voted NO on Strengthening of the trade embargo against Cuba. (Mar 1996)
Voted YES on ending Vietnam embargo. (Jan 1994)
Progressive Internationalism: globalize with US pre-eminence. (Aug 2000)
Multi-year commitment to Africa for food & medicine. (Apr 2001)

John Kerry on Free Trade

Dean's trade policy is protectionist. (Sep 25)
FTAA needs more labor and environmental standards. (Sep 4)
Fix NAFTA-canceling it would be disastrous. (Sep 4)
Capitalism and democracy go hand in hand. (May 3)
Voted YES on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)
Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001)
Voted YES on removing common goods from national security export rules. (Sep 2001)
Voted YES on permanent normal trade relations with China. (Sep 2000)
Voted YES on expanding trade to the third world. (May 2000)
Voted YES on renewing 'fast track' presidential trade authority. (Nov 1997)
Voted YES on fast track trading authority. (Nov 1997)
Voted YES on imposing trade sanctions on Japan for closed market. (May 1995)
Build a rule-based global trading system. (Aug 2000)

John Kerry on Government Reform

Flag and patriotism belong to all Americans. (Jun 17)
Voted YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads. (Mar 2002)
Voted NO on allow signatures for voter registration instead of photo IDs. (Feb 2002)
Voted YES on McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform. (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on limiting funding for the National Endowment for the Arts. (Aug 1999)
Voted YES on cloture of 1998 McCain-Feingold overhaul of campaign finance. (Feb 1998)
Voted YES on favoring 1997 McCain-Feingold overhaul of campaign finance. (Oct 1997)
Voted YES on Approving the presidential line-item veto. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on banning more types of Congressional gifts. (Jul 1995)
Voluntary public financing for all general elections. (Aug 2000)

John Kerry on Gun Control

Voted YES on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted NO on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted NO on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)
Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology. (Aug 2000)

John Kerry on Health Care

Cover more citizens with health plan like Congress gets. (May 3)
Lack of accessible health care is a disgrace. (May 2002)
Voted YES on allowing importation of Rx drugs from Canada. (Jul 2002)
Voted YES on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001)
Voted NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on including prescription drugs under Medicare. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on limiting self-employment health deduction. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on increasing funds for Medicare prescriptions. (Mar 1999)
Voted YES on increasing tobacco restrictions. (Jun 1998)
Voted NO on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
Voted YES on Medicare means-testing. (Jun 1997)
Voted YES on medical savings acounts. (Apr 1996)
Establish "report cards" on HMO quality of care. (Aug 2000)

John Kerry on Homeland Security

No new generation of nuclear weapons. (Sep 4)
Automatic citizenship to immigrants who serves in army. (Sep 4)
Voted YES on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on allowing another round of military base closures. (May 1999)
Voted NO on cutting nuclear weapons below START levels. (May 1999)
Voted YES on deploying National Missile Defense ASAP. (Mar 1999)
Voted YES on military pay raise of 4.8%. (Feb 1999)
Voted NO on deploying missile defense as soon as possible. (Sep 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting same-sex basic training. (Jun 1998)
Voted NO on favoring 36 vetoed military projects. (Oct 1997)
Voted YES on banning chemical weapons. (Apr 1997)
Voted NO on considering deploying NMD, and amending ABM Treaty. (Jun 1996)
Voted NO on 1996 Defense Appropriations. (Sep 1995)

John Kerry on Immigration

Amnesty to anyone here over 5 or 6 years. (Sep 4)
Voted NO on allowing more foreign workers into the U.S. for farm work. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)
Voted NO on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)

John Kerry on Infrastructure

Voted YES on Internet sales tax moratorium. (Oct 1998)
Voted YES on telecomm deregulation. (Feb 1996)
Chief information officer to digitize federal government. (Aug 2000)
Promote internet via Congressional Internet Caucus. (Jan 2001)

John Kerry on Jobs

Trade grows jobs. (Sep 25)
Jump start jobs at home via energy independence. (Sep 4)
Voted NO on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001)
Voted NO on killing an increase in the minimum wage. (Nov 1999)
Voted NO on allowing workers to choose between overtime & comp-time. (May 1997)
Voted NO on replacing farm price supports. (Feb 1996)

John Kerry on Principles & Values

Favorite song: Bruce Springsteen, "No Surrender.". (Sep 9)
Need a president who won't write laws only for contributors. (Sep 9)
Contest between common sense values and extreme ideologues. (Jun 7)
I'm talking about things that matter to people. (May 3)
It is time for this country to ask again, why not? (May 3)
Religious affiliation: Catholic. (Nov 2000)
Supports Hyde Park Declaration of "Third Way" centrism. (Aug 2000)
Member of Democratic Leadership Council. (Nov 2000)
New Democrat: "Third Way" instead of left-right debate. (Nov 2000)
Member of the Senate New Democrat Coalition. (Jan 2001)

John Kerry on Social Security

Guarantee Social Security soundness, even if unpopular. (Sep 25)
Don't threaten Social Security on Wall Street trading block. (May 2002)
Voted NO on Social Security Lockbox & limiting national debt. (Apr 1999)
Voted NO on allowing Roth IRAs for retirees. (May 1998)
Voted NO on allowing personal retirement accounts. (Apr 1998)
Voted NO on deducting Social Security payments on income taxes. (May 1996)
Create Retirement Savings Accounts. (Aug 2000)

John Kerry on Tax Reform

10% bracket in Bush tax cuts was Democrats' idea. (Sep 25)
Bush tax cuts reach 32 million in middle class. (Sep 25)
We're tired of being trickled on--Middle class tax cuts now. (Jun 7)
Voted NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years. (May 23)
Voted NO on cutting taxes by $1.35 trillion over 11 years. (May 2001)
Voted YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates. (May 2001)
Voted YES on increasing tax deductions for college tuition. (May 2001)
Voted NO on eliminating the 'marriage penalty'. (Jul 2000)
Voted NO on across-the-board spending cut. (Oct 1999)
Voted NO on $792B tax cuts. (Jul 1999)
Voted NO on requiring super-majority for raising taxes. (Apr 1998)
Voted NO on FY99 tax cuts. (Apr 1998)

John Kerry on War & Peace

Maybe on $87B for Iraq-repeal Bush tax cut to pay it, if yes. (Sep 25)
De-Americanize Iraq: the exit strategy is victory. (Sep 9)
Vote for war was needed to push Saddam on inspectors. (Sep 9)
$87B for Iraq only when internationalization is addressed. (Sep 9)
Don't miss 3rd opportunity in Iraq to bring in UN. (Sep 4)
Don't send more US troops to Iraq-share power & share burden. (Sep 4)
Against a misapplied blanket pre-emptive doctrine. (Jun 17)
Intelligence information should not be manipulated. (Jun 17)
Disarm Saddam, but war should be a last resort. (May 3)
Preferred diplomacy, but supported invading Iraq. (May 3)
Vietnam didn't threaten US; US war crimes did. (Apr 1971)
Vietnam war was criminal hypocrisy and tore apart US. (Apr 1971)
Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)
Voted NO on allowing all necessary forces and other means in Kosovo. (May 1999)
Voted YES on authorizing air strikes in Kosovo. (Mar 1999)
Voted NO on ending the Bosnian arms embargo. (Jul 1995)
Condemns anti-Muslim bigotry in name of anti-terrorism. (Oct 2001)

John Kerry on Welfare & Poverty

Voted YES on welfare block grants. (Aug 1996)
Voted YES on eliminating block grants for food stamps. (Jul 1996)
Voted NO on allowing state welfare waivers. (Jul 1996)
Voted YES on welfare overhaul. (Sep 1995)
Finish welfare reform by moving able recipients into jobs. (Aug 2000)

http://www.issues2002.org/John_Kerry.htm

[Lobo_13]

14. I certainly haven't been

whoring for money from special interest groups, beating everyone over the head with the fact that I was in Vietnam, or going into snits because someone has stolen my god given right to be like Bob Dole and get the nom just because it's my turn.

[Raya]

40. Such a TYPICAL Dean Supporter

[Bill of Rights]

19. Wow, William Pitt...

impressive list. I have been working on the Clark team, but will change over to Kerry if he gets ahead of Clark.

[mb7588a]

12. oh?

Got a link for the Town Hall accusations? Pictures of the supporters at the JJ?

If I had been in "Young Democrats" in high school and went to campaign events for Bill Clinton and Al Gore. Would that have been wrong and a useless endeavor?

I think inviting young people to take part in something like that is an extremely noble cause. It's sad you couldn't find the good in that. It's sad you haven't taken a look at his "Real Deal" record and made an educated statement about John Kerry. YOU are the fake here.

[Lobo_13]

15. Nah

it just makes you desperate to make a show at an important campaign event.

[Woodstock]

17. Kerry is a good Democrat, why so hard on him?

He's done a lot of good for our country, and I sure am glad he's on our side.

I'm SO sick of the bashing, bashing, bashing that goes on here.

[WilliamPitt]

18. That would be no fun

[windansea]

27. ahh Captain Picard

good to see you

have been fighting the borg all day and they were beginning to wear me down...

[Lobo_13]

23. Proving a point

There is a disturbing number of supporters for every candidate on this site that are entirely too willing to smear and make ridiculous accusations against a candidate.

But the Kerry supporters are the absolute worst offenders.

So maybe, if I got their attention, it would start to sink in how pathetic the cheap shots were in EVERY case, against ANY candidate.

If you've got a problem with a stand that a candidate takes on an issue, then deal with that. Stop with all the bullshit bickering and proliferation of out of context, poorly thought out smears. Go Negative Early is a Gingrich tactic. Dems are better than that.

[XanaDUer]

25. We are duly chastised

but , did we smite you?

[zulchzulu]

28. You funny mang

You make up a story (entirely too willing to smear and make ridiculous accusations against a candidate) about the JJ dinner and then go off on this tangent.

Good work. :tinfoilhat:

[zulchzulu]

20. What a load of bovine excretement

I was there at the JJ dinner and there were plenty of people of all ages and races at the plentiful Kerry sections.

If anything, there were a LOT of high school Dean supporters filling the stands. A couple of teenage thug Dean gals even accosted a woman who was wearing a "Real Deal" t-shirt in the bathroom facilities.

Sectionwise, there was about 8 sections for Dean, 6 or so for Kerry, 1 for Edwards and scatterings for Gephardt, Clark and Kucinich.

Everyone cheered when Kerry spoke. Mostly only the Dean people cheered at Dean's speech. It was pretty obvious.

[XanaDUer]

22. Hi zulchzulu!

:hi:

[zulchzulu]

35. Sup LibertyChick

I didn't know Kerry knew how to say "diss". :->

[Lobo_13]

29. Then that girl must have been my imagination

I have to admit that the kerry cheerleader girls were spot on with the simple chants. It's easy to do the two syllable stuff. The Dean people over extended with the complicated ones.

You're blowing crap yourself. I saw with my own two eyes whole sections of Kerry supporters break into applause at parts of Dean's speech. Just as many times as Dean supporters applauded for other candidates. I also noticed that the Dean supporters gave Braun a standing O while the Kerry folks sat on their hands.

The kerry sections were rude with their cheers far more often than the Dean supporters.

As far as two girls accosting a woman, I don't know. Wasn't there. But the high school girls were for real. That's no lie.

[zulchzulu]

33. Lemme guess...you did some bowls before the show

I was there. You were there. I saw what I saw. You saw what you saw.

You made up a bunch of hooey about the Kerry supporters.

So are you willing to say there were no high school students there for Dean?

This I gotta see...

[killbotfactory]

30. Right on!

You tell that flip-flopping corporate whore! He rode his politically expedient pro-war position to the top...er.... bottom.... nevermind.

[DrFunkenstein]

31. Did It Look Something Like This?

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Or this?

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Or this?

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Or this?

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[mb7588a]

37. i LOVE that picture!

Nerd Deaniac MAD. Nerd Deaniac SMASH.
...notice the clenched fist pointed at "Kerry."
Ok Ok. He looks a bit like a younger me. :( Though I was never posessed with RAGE...


So i don't get it, Lobo, you condemn bickering, but then produce it. What is your real goal? Looks like baseless Kerry bashing.

[SahaleArm]

46. Kool-Aid causes rage:) n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

32. Sigh!

So who do you support, newbie?

[drfemoe]

34. I trust my instincts

but it's always nice to hear them validated.

[K-W]

38. Kerry is a politician, Dean is a politician, Clark is a politician

everyone who runs for office is a politician, DEAL WITH IT.

[stickdog]

41. First two paragraphs = in bounds. Last paragraph = smear.

Let's tone down the unfounded smears and slurs, please.

[PurityOfEssence]

47. Let's talk Wyclef Jean

That's the creator of your guy's FAVORITEST SONG IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD EVER.

Is that calculated or WHAT? What ludicrous, slobbering horseshit.

Just being ill-at-ease and sonorous doesn't mean one is a fraud.

Progressivism and Liberalism in a politician is measured in two ways: helping the powerless and restraining the powerful. He is beyond reproach on these in ways you deny with bluster and puffery. At least give the man his due for years of fighting the hard battles for us all.

Many are able to acknowledge good traits in their opponents, sadly, many either can't or won't. The mantle of unquestionable moral correctness is a filthy garment, and anti-democratic to it's last fiber. Scattershot insults just calls the shooters cause more into question.

Kerry may be a stiff. He may not be the hippest, but he is anything but a fraud. His is a lifelong stance of honor.

The sanctimonious loudness of youth falls flat when it's unable to recognize or admit complexity. All our friends aren't brilliant, gorgeous, pure, true and talented, and our adversaries aren't stupid, ugly, tainted, warped and unable. Fervor's a lot of fun, but it only serves as a worthwhile force if coupled with some perspective.

When you're 60, you should look back on this post and compare the actions of your life with the actions of John Kerry; if you stack up to him, then you'll have become such a truly grand person that you will warmly accept my apology for these words with a knowing smile. I've seen a lot of people grow; anything's possible.

[Moderator]

48. I am locking this.................

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