Why it is important that the Democratic Party oppose the war..

[kentuck]

Because we do not live in a black and white world. We live in an international community, which we must live in after this war is over. The international community did not support this war. This was an illegal invasion in the eyes of much of the world. The Bush Administration lied to justify invading the country of Iraq. The capture of Saddam Hussein does not legitimize the invasion of another nation. The Democratic Party must stand up for international law or our entire nation will be seen as a nation of outlaws.

No matter that the capture of Saddam may hasten the takeover of that country, it does not make it legal. Against the advice of the UN, the US invaded Iraq under the pretext of the "war on terrorism". The Democrats supported going after the terrorists in Afghanistan. So did most of the rest of the world. However, when the Bush Administration decided to invade Iraq, against the advice of most Democrats and most of the world, that is when the Democrats split from the march.

Contrary to what most Republicans might think, this has not gained us respect in the world. We have lost their respect. There is only one Party that can restore this respect amongst the world community. More importantly, it is the Democratic Party that will be left with the task of restoring peace and trust in the Middle East countries.

This is an important page in the roll of history. Those without a vision will be lost. Power does not make right. We must be a nation that respects other countries sovereignty and the Republicans have excused themselves from that obligation for whatever reason.

History will record a period of war and terror, brought about by the attack on the WTC and the invasion of Iraq. Or history will record a period of rebuilding and restoration and a respect for other people, that will engender respect in return. The latter path of history will record fewer deaths and less violence in the world. The former will lead us into many years of violence, killing, and poverty. The Democrats have the vision, although it has not yet been defined.

[rwork]

1. The media whores

over the last few days are acting like this was the major goal of the invasion of Iraq. The capture of SH. Mission Accomplished. It is like they don't even remember the war was started over the search for wmd's.

[demsrule4life]

2. In the 1930's the international community did not support

putting a stop to Hitler. How many people died because of that? I don't support the invasion of Iraq, at least at this time frame, I do support the war on terrorism. How many more of us would die if we did nothing?

[Q]

6. You inadvertantly bring up...

...the biggest misconception about the Iraq 'war'...that it has anything to do with the 'war on terrorism'. It doesn't bode well that even Democrats are repeating this myth.

[pansypoo53219]

9. infuckingdeed!

iWaq was nothing but a vanity war for the PNAC and george. meanwhile the terrorists in afganistan are regrouping and the SAUDIS are doing more that we are.

those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. anybody looking forward to the blowback of george's misadventure?

[zbdent]

10. Another point missed - at the time the Japanese were attacking

Pearl Harbor, the actual Declaration of War was being hand-delivered in Washington DC.

What would have happened if the Japanese hadn't attacked us? Maybe we wouldn't have entered WWII. Maybe we would have later. Who knows.

I'm sure that there were a bunch of people saying "Well, that's over there, we're over here." I also wish that I could find the article on one of Ohio's finest (said with sarcasm) Repukes who heard his father say about FDR: "That damn cripple got us into a war!".

Repukes do not care for ending human rights violations unless they can grab war. Did Bush 41 ever do anything about Saddam when he was actively gassing the Kurds/Iranians? Nope. In fact, he sent over one of his cabinet to have a handshake on video (Remember the outcry when it was reported that Clinton shook the hand of, I forget which, Arafat or Castro? No photo except a "PhotoShopped" one on the Enquirer.). He waited until Saddam INVADED ANOTHER COUNTRY!

And, another point about the deaths because of Hitler. How widespread were the facts of the slaughter of the people, before the Russians and the US forces traipsed to the death camps? Was it just rumors?

I hope that Saddam's testimony nails Reagan and Bush41 for supporting his regime. The Nazi hunters are still after John Demjunjuk, and he's nearly as old as St. Ronnie, right?

[demsrule4life]

11. The United States and England were aware what was

happening to the Jews in Nazi Germany and chose to do nothing because they feared Hitler just might release a massive refugee problem upon their shores. The SS StLouis was good practice in doing nothing.

http://home.tiscali.cz:8080/~ca900466/

[zbdent]

12. Gracias.

Thank you.

[Iverson]

3. feeling ignored?

I hear echoes of ABC pulling its coverage from the liberal candidates. Since I agree with you, I'll have to do my best at playing devil's advocate.

(cough, adjust tie)

You're naive and understand nothing about politics. People in the middle, undecided voters, think that preventive war is a good idea now, so we have no choice. As of yesterday, liberals are for war, and only ideological purists think otherwise. By being against unjustified invasions, you threaten to drive your party into irrelevance or worse! Then nothing will stand in the way of the BFEE (which, by the way, is Nader's fault). So be silent and get in line.

(back to normal)

I hope that helped, kentuck.

[KoKo]

5. You played your role to perfection, Iverson......Very Nice! And Kentuck,

your comments go to the "core." If you get what I mean. :-)'s

[kentuck]

7. Well, Mr Iverson.....

That is the cross we will have to bear...even if we lose the next election. If we surrender our nation to the ideology of Bush and the right-wingers, we will have lost much more than just an election. We have to make a decision. Step over to their side or stay on the side that your heart has decided. Do not be blinded by the ambition of winning the next election, at the expense of our nation and the future peace of the world. We cannot change reality until we accept reality.

[BlueEyedSon]

4. Because the case for war was based on lies and manipulation.

As a result of those lies:

many young americans have died and many more have been maimed

massive deficit-producing tax cuts have been passed

giveaways to corporate interests (who arent' even happy with their usual margin and are gouging us)

a one-time combat dodging AWOLer looks like a military leader

we move towards a state where rule of law is meaningless (it is illegal to lie to congress into a war) and there is no accountability

we condone a culture where lying is ok, and the ends justify the means

oh yeah, and all that international stuff.

[KoKo]

8. Kick

:kick:

[truthspeaker]

13. talking points

Here are the points we need to keep hammering home:

Iraq had nothing to do with the war on terrorism

Bush lied

Bush's foreign policy has made us the laughingstock of the world