Kerry, Gephardt & Lieberman have conceded that Bush made the US safer

[pruner]

that's one hell of an election strategy.

:eyes:

[Paragon]

1. already discussing here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=924771&mesg_id=924771

[sandnsea]

14. The world safer

Both these quotes refer to the world as safer without Saddam. Even Clark said that, I think even Dean said the world is better off without him.

"I could not be prouder of the men and women of the U.S. Armed Forces for capturing this horrible despot. This is a testament to their courage and determination. I'd also like to congratulate Lt. General Sanchez and the intelligence community for the crucial role they played. We've been due good news from Iraq and the world is a safer and better place now that he is in custody."
http://clark04.com/press/release/127/

[IndianaGreen]

16. The world will be safer when Bush is found inside a spider hole

Bush is the greatest threat to the security of this planet since the days of the Third Reich.

Americans' capacity for self-delusion are reaching German levels circa 1933-34.

[sandnsea]

17. I agree 100%

Which is why we need a strong candidate on security who will appeal to the majority of the American people, but won't go down Bush's path. That's just where we're at right now, like it or not.

[IndianaGreen]

19. Clark is that candidate more than Kerry

and Clark is not tainted by Kerry's support for the war.

[sandnsea]

20. I would disagree

Clark made alot of comments on the war. Still, Clark may well be easier to elect among Democrats hung up on a vote that all the candidates didn't have to make. Unfortunately, we throw out the proven liberal for the unknown in the process.

[IndianaGreen]

23. Kerry has been running on the basis of the man he once was

not on the man that he is today.

I rather take a chance on Clark, who has displayed more clarity of purpose than Kerry.

This nomination was Kerry's to lose, and he has done everything to do just that. Kerry is finito.

[sandnsea]

26. Well,

the war vote has blinded many. That's just the way it is I suppose. Too bad. Kerry hasn't changed, people just can't see past one vote to the underlying issues.

[Spentastic]

28. Funny

That's exactly how I'd describe the actions of those that voted to enable Bush's war.

[virtualobserver]

18. The world is much less safe with the band of Bush-lite Democrats

desperately braying in support of Bush's policies and attacking Democrats.

The more I see of these bozos, the less I like. Bush would have wiped the floor with these fools.

[sandnsea]

21. They all say the world is safer

So I guess they're all braying.

[virtualobserver]

25. Dean does not delude himself in that way.

so I guess not.

[sandnsea]

27. You're right

He disagrees with the General even. good lord. I can't believe he didn't even acknowledge the world would be safer without Saddam menacing the Middle East. One more stupid moment by Dean.

[virtualobserver]

29. The middle east is far less safe with the situation in IRAQ

An unarmed Saddam sat trapped in IRAQ surrounded by US forces and was no danger to us or his neighbors.


Now we are fighting a guerilla war in IRAQ and have already spent 450 + american lives , thousands or american limbs and $200 billion dollars and there is no end in sight.

Lieberman's pathetically simplistic argument that the world is 'safer' is laughable.

[sandnsea]

30. The potential is still there

He was not trapped. Even Dennis Kucinch said the sanctions needed to be lifted for the Iraqi people, inspectors had to go back in, with tight control on arms into Iraq. He saw the danger there.

And whether Saddam was supporting al qaeda is certainly debatable, any evidence is quite slim. But he was supporting anti-Israel terrorists in Syria and elsewhere. His removal will certainly make Israel safer.

Not to mention the Iraqi people themselves, as well as the Kuwaitis, Iranians and other countries he was threatening.

Saddam was not a good guy. The region and the ripple affect it has on the world make the world safer without him.

Which does not justify our going in based on lies in any way.

[slor]

2. And they can all count...

on me NOT voting for them in the primaries!

[Gin]

3. they are too much....why are we safer? he was not a threat to us..

pathetic pandering.

[FloridaPat]

4. Where??? Show me the safety!!!!!

That's why if any of those get the nomination I will have a very hard time showing up to vote against the republicans - one of the high points of my life.

[Closer]

5. And that's why

none of them will be the Nominee. Not a chance!

[JailBush]

6. That's why I coined the term Vichy Democrats. N/T

[PSR40004]

7. I'd call them moderates...

Which I would call myself too, I beleive the capture has made us alittle safer and quite a few others that do too (as far as talking at work today). Surely some in iraq are saying they aren't going to do a suicide mission when the "fearless" leader isn't going to fight himself...

Time will tell but I'll bet most in America feel the same way and last I heard you need a majority to win (well maybe discounting the last election :) ).

[JailBush]

8. Moderate Democrats = Vichy Democrats

I think Saddam's capture is of virtually no significance to our safety, and it's just as likely that Iraqis will be motivated to fight harder - whether they're Saddam loyalists or freedom fighters.

As for most Americans, screw'em. Most Americans are stupid, and they aren't going to get any smarter if Democratic candidates support George Bush's actions.

[Rose Siding]

9. You were afraid of Saddam?

Or of someone he was leading "attacking" you? When, before we invaded, did Saddam ever attack us? Or threaten us?

[pruner]

10. the correct answer is…

Saddam never threatened us.

what do I win?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

15. I'm sorry, but I can't believe anyone posted this...

Saddam was allegedly found hiding in a hole in the ground with his every electronic communication monitored for the last 8 months. This man has had very little, if anything to do with the Iraqi resistance to the so-called "coalition".

Here's a question for you:

If another country invaded and occupied the U. S., do you believe American resistance would follow one centralized leader's orders, or operate as thousands of small independent groups?

[Melsky]

11. I like that term

Vichy Democrats is very appropriate. I expected better from Kerry. Not that he was my first choice.

[Rose Siding]

12. They should tell Tom Ridge...

so he can change the color of the threat alert.

[IndianaGreen]

13. Fuck all three of them!

The Bush appeasers have been revealed! Even Kerry's contortions about his IWR vote are now shown as pure lies by a man that wanted to go to war as badly as Bush did.

[screembloodymurder]

22. Yup

these guys need to move out of the way. They don't represent us anymore.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

31. again, accusing veterans of wanting to go to war (Kerry, Clark, McCain...)

Is the most insulting and demeaning thing you can do to them.
It's clueless cowards like Bush and Cheney who rush unthinkingly to war. and again, last week Clinton himself said he would have voted for IWR.

[Spentastic]

24. Really?

I'm British and whoever conceded such a thing must be mentally impaired.

I would have thought that the U.S is no safer now, than it was on sept 10th 2001.

Invading Iraq (entirely unrelated to 9/11) and attempting to moronically impose democracy in Iraq will undoubtedly be a boon for people wishing to recruit terrorists. I believe the CIA said pretty much the same thing.

Saddam's capture means nothing. Does anyone really believe he posed a threat to the U.S? After the tanning he got in Gulf War 1 I think the threat to his neighbours was effectively mitigated.

Any Presidential candidate exhibiting such blinkered vision should not be seriously considered. It also explains some of their IWR behaviour. They truly believe that the ends justify the means.

[GobGoober]

32. Kerry, Gephardt, & Lieberman have lost any chance at my vote

If they win the nomination, I'll stay home or vote for Bush.

[Hep]

33. Sorry, but I'll need links to their statements

before I believe that.