If Dean wins the nomination, who do you think he will pick as VP?

[caledesi]

Poll question: If Dean wins the nomination, who do you think he will pick as VP?

If Dean wins the nomination, who do you think he will pick as VP? I chose some of the other candidates because they are from the South, so please don't get offended if your guy/gal isn't there.

[XNASA]

1. Sam Nunn

[TLM]

2. Given how nice they are being to each other... I think Graham.

He'd be a great pick... to govs who both created economic recovery in their states.

Graham would fill any gaps in the areas of FP, yet not overshadow Dean.

[rumguy]

16. A Dean/Graham ticket will be utterly destroyed

The fact that so many of you here fail to see that makes me question my commitment to a party that is so blind to reality.

[Cooley Hurd]

19. Not reality - your opinion...

...and if you have to question your committment to the party, maybe politics isn't your bag.

[rumguy]

21. Reality is my bag

And the way I see it, you people want to lose. Dean/Graham? Give me a beak.

[Cooley Hurd]

24. Obviously not...

Tell me why a Dean/Graham ticket would lose? Here's why, in my opinion I believe they'll win...

1) Nicely split ticket - northern and southern candidates.
2) Both are taking Shrub to task in regards to 9/11, pre and post actions. 9/11 will be a campaign issue, trust me...
3) Both are popular in their home states. Winning FL will be a must in 2k4, and Bob Graham as VP could ensure victory there
4) Both are former governors - governors do better in presidential elections than senators or congressmen...

Now, tell me why they'll lose...

[rumguy]

28. Graham will be made to appear

like a doddering old fool. The media will absolutely CLOWN on him. Dean/Graham would appear weak and tepid compared to Bush/Cheney. You can give me all the spin you want about FL and governors vs. senators, etc, but all that doesn't add up to jack squat if people don't vote for ya because of personal reasons.

I just know, deep in the very fiber of my being, that this ticket will probably lose...

[stickdog]

31. Fiber has many uses. (nt)

[NewYorkerfromMass]

48. a doddering old fool? he is approaching 70 but....

He could definitely turn Florida but after that I'm, not sure.
Dean can only be propped up so much.

[UrbScotty]

61. If Graham's a 'doddering old fool...'

...then so was this guy, who became President 17 days before his 71st birthday:

[NewYorkerfromMass]

64. Don't even go there

oh man..... Personally, Graham is a little too old to be VP. if it helps the nom. get elected then fine. But after that, he's no future candidate for Pres.

[AntiCoup2K4]

3. This has to be the first poll in the last 2 weeks not freeped by Clarkies

Go figure... I still think the Dean/Clark ticket would be the strongest combination possible. But if the General refuses, Bob Graham would be my second pick.

[Bucky]

56. "freeped by Clarkies" = "expressing opinions I disagree with"

"Freeping" is an unfair thing to accuse any Democrat of. As I understand it, Freeping means piling onto a site to participate in a poll in which you don't have any legitimate business. But how can you possibly argue that Clark supporters have no business participating in a survey on DU?

The only objection I can see is that you don't like their choice for our nominee--which is no valid objection at all. Let's try and avoid mudslinging, shall we?

[Renew Deal]

4. He better pick God. Because no one ele can save him.

hiss. scratch.

6. but

God is President now, just ask the current inhabitant.

[Renew Deal]

15. Actually that's jesus

[Scott Lee]

17. Yes, as frontrunner, Dean is clearly coming from behind.

[Dr.Phool]

5. Probably Graham.

I was at the Florida Convention 10 days ago, and there was a concerted effort on all the candidates to put Graham on the #2 spot.

He'd bring a lot to the ticket, and is loved in Florida. I also think that Edwards would round out a ticket nicely. He has a lot of knowledge, and has the same passion and fire that Bill Clinton had.

Third Choice, maybe Wesley Clark, but I'm not sure why. Maybe if Cheneys ticker doesn't hold up Lieberman can run with Bush.:P

:kick:

[Rowdyboy]

7. I voted Lieberman

solely because you called him a Republican. I dislike him strongly, but I would never kick below the belt like that. Call him worthless trash? Fine. Lowdown scum? No problem. But "Republican" is just going too far, considering his history in environmental and many labor/civil rights votes.

[caledesi]

11. My apologies about JL. eom

[Dr.Phool]

32. If you'd heard him

speak at the Florida Convention, and maybe wearing a blindfold, you'd have thought Ralph Reed or George Bush was addressing the convention.:evilgrin:

[BlueEyedSon]

8. If Bob G can "deliver" Florida, it would be well worth it!!!!

[Racenut20]

9. This is obviously another Dean for President poll, therefore

I think Kerry would be the perfect running mate.

[DeanIsAPitbull]

10. Who is Bill Richards?

[caledesi]

14. I meant Bill Richardson! <fuzzy head today> eom

[blm]

12. Where is Dean's close friend, Evan Bayh?

.

[rumguy]

13. Dear Lord

Please stop the democrats from running a Dean/Graham ticket. Please stop them from throwing themselves off the cliff.

Amen

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

27. Can you please back that up?

I'm hardly a huge Dean fan and would have voted for Graham in the primary had he lasted. He was a popular governor of a large state, fiscally responsible, served on the senate intelligence committee and has not been a party to any major scandal that I can recall. He is quite centrist and in spite of his opposition to this war since he felt it drained our resources to fight terrorism is certainly no slug on matters of defense and security..so please...explain how Dean/Graham is a loser with more than hyperbole.

[rumguy]

29. I just know it

somethings you just know...

Graham will be CLOWNED on by the media. The people will view this ticket as a laughing stock, and all that stuff you just mentioned won't matter. It won't matter because the ticket will be a laughing stock.

[mrgorth]

30. I agree with you

but I think we need to explain why. I just see Graham as too wooden. He's a great guy and MIGHT deliver FL. Actually, I think FL is lost no matter what. Graham won't bring the testosterone vote which is something we need to address.

[rumguy]

33. Yes Graham is too wooden, and can easily be made to appear

ineffectual. I pray to God that Dean chooses someone else.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

34. OK you both admitted you can't prove your point based on anything

but superstition. Thanks.

[rumguy]

35. Wake up - perceptions matter in politics

And Graham will be perceived as weak, doddering and ineffectual. That is how he will be made to appear by the repubs and the media.

Your reply is just another example of a certain "head in the sand" mentality that I see in many Dean supporters. And I find that deeply troubling. Is this indicative of his overall campaign?

I hope not. I want to win. And that takes critical thinking, not just blind faith.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

41. Wow...I just said I wasn't a DEAN SUPPORTER

Please read my original post. Yes perceptions matter, but if YOUR perceptions are the BE ALL AND END ALL then please explain how the guy got elected so many times to virtually every office he ever ran for in a massively populous state....can you?

[rumguy]

44. Running on a presidential ticket is way different - nt

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

46. Wow that was persuasive

:D

[rumguy]

47. Sarcasm is an excellent way to avoid reality

Actually, there have been studies done that prove that sarcasm is one of the more commonly employed techniques that people use to avoid things they don't want to know about.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

51. Tell Al Franken

I asked you for facts, you provided none. Then in typical fashion of someone who cannot defend their point with actual facts, you turn the attack on me.

I realize national elections are not the same as regional elections. Even if that is regarded as a TRUE statement, you have NOT demonstrated anything NEAR persuasive as to justify why a centrist, senate intelligence committee member, with stellar governing credentials who has won nearly every election he has ever run in would be taking the Dem party over the cliff.

Ad hominen attacks are a more widely used method for people who have no lock on the truth.

[rumguy]

54. My opinion is based on my perception

I've seen Graham perform. He's not a strong national candidate based on what I have seen of him. He comes accross and ineffectual, old, and very unexciting. And yes, this is just my opinion, dear god, how dare I voice an opinion!

Each individual perception is not a fact, but the millions of individual perceptions formed after Graham becomes a laughing stock will turn out to be a fact.

[Miss_Cleo]

57. Now you're talking! I can relate!

[MissMarple]

38. I agree on Graham, and not many know who he is. Edwards is a thought.

Or Bill Richardson. Dean needs a strong VP who has or can generate a broad appeal. Clark as well, if he gets the nomination. Clark would also make a great Secretary of State.

I don't mean any disrespect for Bob Graham, it would be an image thing. Fifty or sixty years ago it wouldn't be as important. Image trumps philosophy. Sigh.....

[unfrigginreal]

18. Voted for Bob Graham because signs are pointing in that direction...

I'd vote differently in a poll asking who he should pick.

[maddezmom]

20. Bob Graham n/t

[Padraig18]

22. I'd *like* it to be Clark, but would *bet* it's gonna be Graham. n/t

[caledesi]

58. That's what I think Pad. eom

edit: tupos

[wysimdnwyg]

23. I picked Clark...

but it could also be Graham. Either would be a fine selection. Dean's biggest weakness against Bush is a lack of foreign policy experience. The addition of either Clark (fmr General in charge of NATO) or Graham ((fmr?)head of the Senate Intelligence Committee) would go a long way toward alleviating that concern.

[info being]

25. Kucinich

[caledesi]

59. You know I never thought of Kucinich. Actually, that could be an

interesting match. Both so damn smart.

[ronnykmarshall]

26. Clark

I'm not sure if Clark would take it.

But I also think that if Clark wins, he'd pick Dean.

[burning bush]

36. NONE of the current candidates

I hope the don't get a position in the administration either, not after they refused to raise their hands to say Dean could beat Bush, and not after they refused to raise their voices when Dean called on them to condemn the Osama ad.

Let um dangle. They had the chance to be standup guys, and blew it.

[CMT]

37. I think Graham

I think he would be the best choice too.

[brainshrub]

39. Where's Kerry?

I think he would make a great VP.

[LizW]

40. I don't want it to be Graham

I like Bob Graham immensely, but I don't want him on the ticket for reasons that have already been stated by others in the thread.

I remember reading that Mary Matalin said, upon watching Clinton announce Gore as his running mate, (I'm paraphrasing) "We watched those two young men, with their good looking wives and all those beautiful children, standing under the southern sun, and we looked at each other and said, 'We're going to lose.'"

(That was back when she was newly married to James Carville and before she got to be such a hardened battle-axe.)

A VP choice can't win the election, but it can hurt, and maybe even lose it (see Lieberman, Joseph P.). I want someone who just cements the damn thing. Dean is SO good (IMO) and we're almost there. I want someone who puts the icing on the cake, who makes it inevitable.

I think it's insulting to the current candidates to "try them on" as VP's while they're still in the presidential race, so I won't speculate publicly, but there's one I think could be it.

[rumguy]

43. Great story about Matalin

Yes, Clinton/Gore won not just based on their ideas, but in their ability to project strength and competence. And they were beautiful to look at.

Dean/Graham - christ, what will that project? I don't even want to have to find out.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

42. Other. I think he will step outside the expectations.

Perhaps Clark. I can't believe he would turn against his supporters by picking any of the infamous 4 bushbackers.

I think he would smart to pick a woman. Patty Murray (my senator) or Barbara Boxer would be great choices.

[beyurslf]

45. Gov. Napolitno of AZ.

Madeline Albright is not eligible. She was not born a US citizen.

Hasn't Gov. Richardson already said he would not take it?

[sujan]

49. I want Bob Graham

Hell with clark. He is a midget compared to Graham on experience.

[ozone_man]

52. Graham has the experience

and will win Florida and the election.

[sujan]

53. who needs the other southern states after we win Florida...........

[Teddy_Salad]

50. Dick Durbin

Never mentioned but very feisty and not afraid to take the fight to the Bushies.

Speaks extremely well, is very bright and could be a great Veep choice, IMHO.

[newyawker99]

63. Hi Teddy_Salad!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[mot78]

55. Graham

even though I'm a Clarkie, having an all-outsider ticket isn't a good idea. You need an outsider-insider balance.

[IndianaGreen]

60. I voted for Bill Richardson, but I think it would be great if Dean...

were to select Carol Mosley-Braun as his running mate. CMB has shown a lot of class, poise, and knowledge during the debates. I think it will energize the liberal base to have a highly qualified African-American woman on the ticket in 2004!

[Jonte_1979]

62. I hope he would ask Harry Reid (D-Nevada)

A wrestler (Dean) + a boxer (Reid) = the ultimate fighting ticket!:D

[_Jumper_]

65. Walter Mondale

;)