American Media, Rule of Law and the need for a Special Prosecutor

[Q]

- The Founders of this country knew about the dangers of oligarchy, plutocracy and theocracy to a Democracy. That's why they put 'checks and balances' into the Constitution and created 'coequal' branches of government so that no one person or group could usurp the power of the others.

- The Framers of the Constitution also understood that a Democracy (Democratic Republic) would be impossible without a 'free press' to inform the People about their government. In their writings they called America an 'experiment' because the type of representative government they were creating depended on all the above and the participation of the people to succeed.

- Two centuries later the experiment is teetering on complete failure. Less than half of the population votes and the other half are led like cattle to the slaughter with the manipulation and distortion of the truth. The free press is no longer free to report the truth as they've become part and parcel of the institutions they were once charged with policing and keeping honest.

- A small group of wealthy power-brokers and king-makers are in control of the American government and media. They filter and control the news to make the Bush* White House look good by intentionally ignoring or underreporting any story that may tend to incriminate them. In return for their help in covering up the truth...the Bush* government grants favors and gives supporters kickbacks in the form of legislation, deregulation and turning a blind eye to corporate corruption.

- We can no longer depend on the two-party system, justice department, free press or the coequal branches of government to investigate and prosecute themselves. They are all willing participants in an orchestrated effort to undermine the Constitution and create a government that works for the corporations and their owners instead of the citizens of the United States.

- It's for these reasons that two things must happen: A Special Prosecutor must be employed to investigate the many scandals and wrongdoings involving the Bush* White House. A 'Citizen's Commission' must be formed to investigate the investigators and ensure that justice is served in the name of the Rule of Law and the People.

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- Thomas Jefferson - July 4, 1776: --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

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[Nlighten1]

1. Q

Maybe I haven't said this before but I want to let you know what an asset you are to DU.

Thanks for all your thought provoking posts.

[Q]

2. You're too kind...

...but something that many DUers don't understand about me is that I consider myself an American first and a Democrat second.

- I believe that truth is more important than 'winning'. The Democratic party wouldn't have to worry about getting the votes and support they need to 'win' if they only did what's right for the people.

- And the 'right thing' for the people is ALWAYS to tell them the whole truth about their government and to investigate and punish those who abuse the power of their offices.

- America is dying and our choices are becoming limited. We have the responsibility for doing much more than keeping Bush* out of the White House in 2004. We must abolish the system that allowed someone like him to take high office and return the government to the people. This can't be done by 'voting' alone.

[HFishbine]

3. And I thought I was glad

when the special prosocuter law expired. After all the crap Clinton had to endure. Now however, I'm beginning to have second thoughts. If a special prosecuter can investigate a blow job to the tune of $40 million dollars, surely the truth about Bush is as important.

[Q]

4. A Special Prosecutor can still be used...

...even though the old OIC laws have expired.

- But the problem remains: who will call for a SP when most of the government is invovled in the corruption and coverup? The free press...who was complicit in covering up everything from Bush's* past to election fraud to 9-11...can't be counted on to push for a Special Prosecutor. I'm afraid it has come to the point where the People will have to demand that our government stop investigating itself and appoint someone that can truly be called 'independent'.

[Tellurian]

13. Most of the people, I've spoken too...

sincerely believe our election system will provide the desired remedy to The Bush Administration's madness. They are totally unaware of the nefariousness this administration is willing to go to, to provide themselves with a WIN in 04'..

We need to institute a great movement convincing as many House Representatives as possible, to join in the fight to save the Constitution from further erosion by those instruments, who, by legislation and executive order have destabilized America's tenure as the Framers of the Constitution intended, which in turn has disenfrachized it's citizens from the freedom granted to us at birth, in the name of protection from TERRORORISM.

This latest attempt by the administration to have the court uphold and reinforce the notion the Executive Branch of government shall have the presidential power to arbitrarily declare an American citizen, without formal charges and supporting evidence, an "Enemy Combatant", is but a warning shot over the bow.

I have no doubt, although the judge denied federal prosecutors a win, with the media pandering the denial as a loss to the Bush Administration; this case will be reconstituted and submitted and resubmitted on appeal to the USSC until a decision favorable to the Bush Administration is rendered by the notorious 8...

HELP!

[cryofan]

5. All these appeals to "the founding fathers" sicken me

They were often slaveowners and were mostly concerned with trying to make sure the masses could not get their grubby little hands on all their own property. The system we inherited from them sucks in comparison to most of the European social democraies.

The Constitution SUCKS, and it needs to be scraped in favor of something better. Fuck the founding fathers and the fancy carriages they rode in on....

[KoKo]

6. Oh My! that sounds like anarchy. Are you sure this is what you really

hope will happen?

[Q]

7. I'm referring to the documents they created to guide this country...

...in the 'experiment' of representative government. You can always find faults in human beings...which is what you're trying to do instead of address the important issues of the day.

- A Constitution is only as good as the leadership charged with using its principles and laws to guide their way in governing.

- We didn't 'inherit' the system we have...it has been perverted to the benefit of the ruling class and the wealthy few.

- What 'sucks' is your attitude and your unwillingness to discuss solutions and alternatives.

[Q]

8. Well...it seems impossible to keep a thread going during the...

...candidate wars here on DU. I'll give this one kick and call it a day.

- Just remember...you'll get the government you 'deserve' in 2004.

[forgethell]

9. Special prosecutor is a bad idea.

Anything that we use against the Republicans can be used by them against us. Look at Clinton. To me, the special prosecutor laws were similar in spirit, in not in procedure, to the bills of attainder that are forbidden by the Constitution.

That being said, the powers of regular federal prosecutors should also be curbed. Ken Star didn't do anything that other prosecutors haven't done, it just involved a more prominent person, lasted longer, and cost more. And it is wrong.

[Q]

10. You're thinking of the OIC...

- A 'special prosecutor' can be called at any time to investigate government officials.

- Once again...Starr was operating under the OIC laws...which were allowed to expire. And I can't agree that he did what other prosecutors have done...never before has an Independent Counsel probed into the PERSONAL life of a president. For instance...Walsh stuck to the FACT surrounding the Iran/Contra scandal and never went beyond that in an attempt to destroy a president.

[forgethell]

12. maybe I got the office confused

but I'm not confused about the power of federal prosecutors. Even state prosecutorscan delve into a lot of stuff you may not want know. And God forbid that you should ever cross the IRS. I am not a big fan of the justice system at any level.

[Bandit]

11. Another really good post from Q

I can only say that in this new America I can only hope Winston Churchill was correct when he said "Americans will always do the right thing, but only after they try everything else first" I only hope Americans can live up to such a lofty declaration.

[Tellurian]

14. Is everyone sleeping?

Eyes Wide Shut?