The media refuses to believe that Bush knew about possible attacks....

[kentuck]

It doesn't fit into their paradigm - or what they perceive Bush and the Republicans to be - that they are strong on defense and could never be so incompetent to allow something like 9/11 to happen. It is paradoxical to everything they believe and everything they propagandize about the Republicans. For them, it is almost impossible that something like that could be true.

So, by and large, they refuse to report on it. It is so much easier to talk about Michael Jackson or to talk about Saddam's sleep deprivation. It will have to hit them over the head several times to get their attention. That is why we cannot let the story die.

[tom_paine]

1. It is verboten to speak of such things in Corporate TV Pravda

Which more and more comes to resemble the original.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

100. Nice JJ quote. nt

[Nomad559]

2. Bush Caught Off Guard - Video

http://freeweb.siol.net/laserpl3/anduril/Bush-Caught-Off-Guard.mpg

[ameriphile]

6. Wow

Bush's reaction in that video really creeped me out. (Even more so than usual...)

[ComerPerro]

15. From his press conference, if you haven't seen this check it out

Oh my God, when I saw that the other day it fucking scared the hell of me.

[matt53]

34. Bush's reaction may tell a story

<[I posted this in another spot here, but this is where it really belongs>]

I wonder if there's a certain grain of truth that Bush was told something in passing that there was a minor threat (hey, just like the band), but wasn't sure enough in his mind to act upon it.

Imagine him for a moment in the pre 9/11 world ordering all planes grounded or imposing post 9/11 style security precautions on the airports... How well would that have gone over? Imagine the embarrassment if it proved to be a false lead? Imagine the loss in the economy in that single day when things were in a downturn. Imagine the ridicule!

Imagine the uproar on this very message board!

I wonder if there was a conversation that went on to balance the risks, and it was determined unwise to shut down the airports, etc. on an unsubstantiated warning. Imagine that warning turning out to be true, and watching 3,000 of the citizens you swore to protect die a fiery death. That may explain his reaction in the video to the suggestion of foreknowledge, and his passion immediately following the tragedy. It may have been because he felt in part responsible, but not to a point rising to the level of incompetence as he's accused.

[lolly]

43. (Never Mind!)

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[Q]

47. You're not taking his responsibility for 9-11 in the context of...

...his 'presidency' and being 'commander in chief'...nor does it explain why he sat with children for 20 or so minutes while thousands died. It's as if he was 'ordered' not to do anything.

- We should give the benefit of doubt to those who make honest mistakes. But the Bushies were arrogant in their disregard of anything Clinton...including his administrations warnings of an impending terrorist event.

- Bush* could have warned the airlines to increase security at the very least...without shutting down the airlines as you suggest. He could also have ordered that those suspected of being connected to terrorism be watched more closely.

- There are many things he COULD HAVE done without causing economic damage or 'embarassment'. And if you look at ALL the evidence...it appears as if the Bush* admin. intentionally ignored the threats and allowed it happen.

[karlschneider]

59. They could have warned the public. People would have been more

likely to figh the hijackers, people in WTC South would have immediately evacuated, etc.

[morgan2]

3. anyone in a position of responsibility cant

that means they have to do something about it. If it is true, its too much to handle.

[grannylib]

4. Why so difficult? There have been decisions made before to sacrifice

innocents in order to serve a larger purpose.
And Chimpy is a conscienceless moron; he thinks he is justified in all that he does; he was annointed by the Felonious 5 Supremes, after all...

[Newsjock]

5. Many Americans probably suspect it but won't confront it

Because, if LIHOP or even MIHOP is ever proven, the outrage, upheaval, and level of crisis that America will go through will be unlike anything this country has ever seen.

I stronlg suspect that many "average Muhrkins" -- people who aren't as deeply involved as us in following this story -- are fully aware of this. How do they choose to react? By shutting the whole scenario out of their minds, so they can get on with the "more important" tasks of trying to keep their jobs, pay their bills, and raise their kids.

How can we get these concerns out into the open? Show that there's a clearly defined, orderly, effective path from where we are to where we'd be after such a thing occurred -- a path that's free of the "revolution in the streets" or even "civil war" that terrifies so many people.

[prisonerseven]

7. How can we get these concerns out into the open?

The first step is to get some proof to back up such a claim and then give it to Dan Rather. He seems to be on our side in this war.

[fishguy]

8. Good website about 9/11

www.standdown.net

[fishguy]

9. Good website about 9/11

www.standdown.net

[fishguy]

10. Good website about 9/11

www.standdown.net

[kentuck]

11. The 9/11 commission is pissed at the Bush Administration because..

they refuse to turn over the documents that are needed to get the answers needed for the families of 9/11 victims. They are covering up. Why? Does anyone in this country really think we do not need answers about what happened on 9/11?

[prisonerseven]

71. Of course most think we need answers about what happened on 9/11

The only way to pin it on bush is to get the answers into public hands.

It will happen but to rush it now may be bad timing...or not.

[ComerPerro]

16. Oh yeah, the liberal media. I remember

Yes, proof would be nice. But something like this will never have absolute, irrefutable proof. Not to convince the fanatics on the right.
Most of them love Bush more than they love this country, which is absolutely terrifying and disgusting.
I swear to god, you could show most reich-wingers videos of Bush and Osama planning the attack together and they still would blame Clinton and the liberal media.

[Lorien]

44. There are mountains of proof

much of it sent to the mainstream press by victims family members.I know a young man who lost his dad in tower two, and neither he nor anyone else can get any attention from the corporate media, which must protect Bushco at all costs to ensure a future of furthur media consolidation and deregulation.

Dan Rather on "our" side??? :WTF: Maybe, if you're visiting from Freeperville....!

[prisonerseven]

78. Maybe Rather is not perfect but he does break more incriminating stories

Than most other mainstream reporters. Do you doubt he is the better of the three (or more)?

[bpilgrim]

20. americans are too busy and fed a steady diet of CORP PROMOTIONS

but i spoke to another stranger today, during a smoke break, and i asked him if he heard the 'news' he said he hadn't but went right into how he felt something was wrong from day one with our incrediable responce which to this day hasn't been explained yet.

the quasi-official MEDIA version is so full of holes that no SERIOUS PERSON defends it anymore...

i can't WAIT to hear/read the 'OFFICIAL' story so we can focus like a LASER on it and strip away all the noise.

i am an average american, from humble roots, who has served my country, is raising a familly of honor students, and work for a living, and i am TIRED of being labled UNAMERICAN, HATEAMERICA, BLAME-AMERICA-FIRST, KOOK, etc.

i am fine if folks call me a conspiracy theorist for that is an apt description... and i never tire to remind them that my GOVERMENT left me no other choice.

and that is not just because of our recent atrocities and crimes but of our long sorrid history of such deeds.



and so it goes...



psst... pass the word ;->

peace

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[Robb]

57. No.

I've never heard of the "Senate Intelligence Commitee". Are they in charge of the ice cream? :eyes:

Be seeing you.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

99. LOL!!!!! And the executive branch would never lie to the senate

Especially that coked up, AWOL moron in the WhiteHouse who can't eat a pretzel without cue cards ROFLPIMP

[thebigidea]

12. bu-bu-but I thought it was all just a conspiracy theory that alienates

all the swing voters!

bu-bu-but where do the "alien testicles" fit in?

You mean its TRUE!?!

[KG]

14. heh.

[plurality]

13. they already know about it, what do you think the Anthrax was for?

[DeepModem Mom]

17. They, and the public, do not want to believe a lot...

that's going on in our country. They want to think our system is indestructible, or that no political force would endanger the country and our democratic institutions to advance its own political agenda. For some reason, they want to believe that George Bush is a good man. (The son of a relative of mine leaves for Iraq the first of January, and while his dad has lost confidence in Bush, he still believes he's a "good man.")

As for the press, they welcomed an illegitimate President into our White House, excusing themselves over and over again because there were "no tanks in the streets." Given that, we can expect them to try to "protect" the American people from the knowledge that the man in their White House may have done little or nothing to protect them from the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

[neverforget]

18. Where are the Congressional Democrats and the canidates on

this? I haven't seen anything yet but they should be SCREAMING this at the top of their lungs. Then, just maybe, the Bush Press will pay attention.

[DeepModem Mom]

19. Think I saw a brief reference on CNN Inside Politics that Clark...

referenced the issue today. Could not find a link --

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[matt53]

39. that works with my theory

that they knew something and calculated the risk, determined it wasn't worth shutting the country down for a might-happen terrorist attack, and were horrified to learn that their suspicions were true. Maybe I've just been watching too much 24, though.

[kentuck]

68. Your assumption is totally wrong.

The Senatate Intelligence does not know the same thing the president and nationl security know. That's why they have hearings - to find out whats going on. If they knew everything the WH knew, there would be no need for hearings by executive officers and dept heads. Bush was busy doing away with every executive order that Clinton had implemented and, at the behest of the right-wing, would not listen to any advice on intelligence from the Clinton Administration either.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

88. Give me a fucking break! There is NO way one can pin responsibility

on the Senate Intelligence committee for the failings of the executive branch. Would this be the same committee that was briefed on fear mongering lies by the Bushies prior to the Iraq war that all turned out to be forged or false?

You really are grabbing.

[Bandit]

21. Most Americans are not so cynical as to believe a President could

actually know about something like that and allow it to happen. Hell even I don't believe that but I do believe they were Derelict in their duty. I like hearing from the head of the 9-11 investigation that it Could Have and Should Have Been Prevented That means there was Dereliction of Duty an Impeachable offense. This is Huge IMHO for the Democrats. It needs to be hammered on daily.

[kentuck]

22. Is that the same as incompetence?

Except that many people lost their lives becasue of it?

[Bandit]

23. Far worse IMO

It means they could have prevented it if they had given it the proper attention. Incompetence means they were unable to prevent because they were unable. They were able but didn't.

[rumguy]

25. Sometimes I wonder if it was almost a debliberate incompetance

Where several important people just leaned back and said, ok, let's see what happens with this, we'll maybe take a few token actions but we won't press this issue really hard - hell no one would have even had to talk about it - a collective sleep-walking on this important issue.

[kentuck]

26. Excellent differentiation...

And exactly what happened, IMO...

[ellie]

24. I wrote the Today show this a.m.

because their lead story was about Michael Jackson and then an interview with Kobe Bryant's accuser's ex-boyfriend. Insane!

[Rex]

27. There has to be a lot of bright people that run these media companies

some have to know, without a shadow of doubt, that Bush had some idea of possible attacks pre-911. The problem for them is it becomes a huge conflict of interest because the very man they support turns out to have been able to prevent or possibly try to prevent 911.

Imagine for a second that the shoe was on the other foot - that it was Al Gore and most media giants were solid Ds and not Rs. The loss of credibility (and consumer confidence) would be astronomical! Here, for years, the people that America trusts for information about the nation have, in effect, completely lied, covered up, and deceived the American people on a grand scale probably never seen before in our history. Sponsors get antsy about that kind of talk - I would imagine the stock market would fall on its face if the truth ever came out. Therefore, the media plays ball, and so do their sponsors, and their affiliates, and most of the backers. They all KNOW, but it would go against their capitalist ideals to tell their money sources the truth - that the government knew and completely failed to stop a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. That the government willfulingly ALLOWED it to happen to gain what? Political leverage?

I believe the real reason Al Gore gave up and acquiesced to Bush was because we had crossed the threshold into the political unknown - would the people riot and cause mass chaos if Gore had defied the Supreme Court? Would they have arrested him if he had tried to assume office? Same thing about 911, everyone kinda knows but no one wants to say anything because the truth is far more horrifying than pandering to the public's appetite for tabloid garbage (Michael Jackson etc).

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[Rex]

29. Your copy & paste has mentions of terrorist acts that had nothing

to do with Bill Clinton! LOL

I wish you folks would stop being so lazy and actually READ through the Dittonews before running over here and posting it at DU.

:eyes:

[rumguy]

30. A lengthy compilation of second hand rumor, innuendo, and flat out lies

mixed in with a few facts.

Most of what you post has NO basis in reality. I'm not about to be your little guienna pig you get to run around and prove you wrong. YOU HAVE TO TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN KNOWLEDGE!

I feel sorry for you brother.

[matt53]

31. How much do you want to bet that one will be deleted...

That article about Clinton's sure to be banned. But in case it isn't...

I wonder if there's a certain grain of truth that Bush was told something in passing that there was a minor threat (hey, just like the band), but wan't sure enough in his mind to act upon it.

Imagine him for a moment in the pre 9/11 world ordering all planes grounded or imposing post 9/11 security precautions on the airports... How well would that have gone over? Imagine the embarrassment if it proved to be a false lead? Imagine the loss in the economy in that single day when things were in a downturn.

Imagine the uproar on this message board!

I wonder if there was a conversation that went on to balance the risks, and it was determined unwise to shut down the airports, etc. on an unsubstantiated warning. Imagine that warning turning out to be true, and watching 3,000 of your citizens die a fiery death. That may explain his reaction in the video, and his passion immediately following the tragedy. He may have felt in part responsible, and been very emotional about that.

[rumguy]

33. Nope

Do we even know a single thing that he or his admin did? The defenses of the US just sitting their idly on their asses while the largest attack on US soil ever was carried out.

There were warnings, real warnings...they could have coordinated a plan to figure out what was happening, yet for some reason they didn't.

There are questions that have to, and will, be answered....

[matt53]

36. that's still just a theory, no more credible than mine

[rumguy]

37. and that's why we need legitimate investigation

the more this admin. stonewalls, the more guilty it looks - this could be Whitewater all over again...

[Rex]

35. You're right of course

Better to let 3000 Americans die than to be embarrassed over taking your oath of office seriously. :eyes:

Nice set of Republican Family Values!

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[rumguy]

42. Bullshit

Bush held the reigns of the executive branch. He had the power to take action, and he didn't. To bad for him, cuz a tornado is heading his way.

Ever read the memo that was on Condi's desk a few months before the attack? Read it, and tell me that it wouldn't have sent chills up and down your spine, if it had been you, instead of Condi with the power to take action to defend our country. They did nothing, that I know of, in response to that memo. And that memo is just the tip of the iceberg,

This could be Whitewater all over again.

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[rumguy]

51. Bullshit again

Those accountable are those who had the power to TAKE ACTION - that is the Executive Branch. Don't you understand the separation of powers concept?

This admin. is sneaky and secretive - how do you know that the Dems on the intell. committee didn't call up the White House to warn or try and talk about this issue? Bottom line: you don't. I don't have all the answers either, but those answers will come out.

And based on what I know so far, it doesn't look to good for chimpy.

[Rex]

61. I think at the heart of this matter is that some of these Republicans

are actually smart enough to know the difference between a blowjob and LIHOP or MIHOP. If they were willing to throw Clinton out of office over Monica, what will people do to Bush if evidence comes out that he knew and could have prevented it?

The smarter ones get it.

[rumguy]

66. Exactly - that is why they are so scared

and it's why they keep trying to bring Clinton and Monica into it. Fine, let's bring Clinton and Monica into the equation - let's see, that fraud of an impeachment came at a time when the terrorists were planning this attack. Millions of dollars were spent on Starr's investigation, and hundreds of FBI agents' valuable time was wasted. The government was effectively divided, and the news media went along on the repub. impeachment circus ride. Thanks Repukes! Thanks for spending all that time and money and media attention of "getting" Bill Clinton. Thank You! ALL OF AMERICA THANKS YOU FOR THE VALUABLE USE OF OUR RESOURCES AND TIME!!!!!

And to think that all they found was a BJ - so sad, and tragic. History will damn these repukes....

[Rex]

92. I hear that The Newt is trying to make a comeback

I guess he wasn't happy with his first attempt at destroying America.

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[rumguy]

103. You're clutching at straws that may or may not even exist

You don't know, yet, what the dems on the SIC tried to communicate to the White House, or what they urged them to do. All they can do is give the executive branch a nudge or two - they prolly assumed things were being done, after all, things had been taken care of under Clinton.

You forget, this WH is SECRETIVE, and they hate dems., like all you trained monkeys have been taught to do. What makes you think they even listened to the advice given by the dems on the SIC? YOU DON'T KNOW, that's the bottom line.

For all we know the dems on the SIC took it seriously, and the WH said, oh yeah, we're following up on it, and then boom - disaster struck! What did the WH do in response to this explosive intel? Nothing, that we know of.

Hello Whitewater Part Duece!

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[rumguy]

115. Bullshit, the Reich Wing media chews up and spits out anyone

who dares question this Whitehouse. Contrary to what you've been taught, we are at a point in history where the media is, overall, very right wing. People are branded traitors and worse, just by criticizing the admin. Shit, people were, and still are, afraid of the climate of fear and demagougery that had been drummed up the the WH and their ARMY of media foot soldiers.

It's just now getting to the point where things like this can be talked about in public. It's been an internet buzz thing for the most part so far.

And, you are still assuming that Dems in Congress knew, and know things against this admin. You don't all you do is speculate.

Time will tell, though.

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[Sterling]

53. What about the Repukes you like?

I don't suppose you think this will touch them though. Why do you insist on believing that the WH has to share everything with the Senate? That is clearly false.

You do realize what the executive branch is responsible don't you? I have yet to see the senate order the military to do anything.

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[rumguy]

106. They could have coordinated a response to what they KNEW was in planning

Yes, they could have, they had the power to bring the players from various agencies into a room and get them to work together. Instead, they sat on their hands and wasted valuable time. Why did they do that? I don't know, but I have my suspicians.

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[rumguy]

116. Bullcrap - don't give me that hate radio line that the only thing we

could have done is go around arresting Arab-looking people at random. God, you guys need to pry yourself away from that hate radio, faux news, freeper alterna-world where the only options prior to 9/11 where doing what the admin did (basically nothing) and going around randomly arresting and rounding up arabs - that would have been hundreds of thousands if not millions of people.

No, the specific evidence was there, it just had to be located in the FBI and the CIA - the WH could have ordered people to look for that intel - yet, the evidently didn't - then we could have looked at people that evidence pointed to, and some of that evidence was, we know now, surprisinly specific!

False dichotomies are not going to get you very far.

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[rumguy]

124. Actually that story has been disproven, completely

there's threads around here that show conclusively, with evidence, that that Sudanese offer thing was not what you think it was...

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[Petrodollar Warfare]

55. FYI: US geostrategy re enegy hegemony is rather vulgar

(H53Pilot - Welcome to the red-pill world...if you dare to see how far down the rabbit hole really goes...)

[Rex]

49. Good question, what did they know?

Do you have any link to any information that would shed some light onto this question or are you going to just rant about it? Show me something.

You believe the SIC was headed by a Dem or you know it was? Who was it? What did they know? When did they know?

Go ahead and tell us...

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[Rex]

75. So, in effect, we shouldn't be talking about this subject

since neither of us KNOWS who it was. LOL

FWIW - if ANYONE knew (D or R) and allowed 911 to happen then they should be tried for treason IMHO.

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[Rex]

112. Understandable, conformity is all to rampant in today's society.

Have a nice day. :)

[Sterling]

46. Wow that is the best they got?

It is clear that 9-11 is the end of Republicans forever.

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[Rex]

52. We didn't see it...be kind and give us a link

thanks

[Sterling]

60. Talk to us in a few weeks.

You know it's over. I take that your presence confirms there is blood in the water. Your post Saddam bounce is already fading, everyone knows it.

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[Petrodollar Warfare]

69. You have 5 minutes to digest H53Pilot...here's the bitter red-pill

...times up.

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[Petrodollar Warfare]

81. Sorry, times up....I'm afraid that info was from an Authority...

...previous message has been deleted, have a nice day.

(just a quick glimpse of the red-pill world....;-)

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[Petrodollar Warfare]

90. Cheney is actually quite brillant...

...and equally insidious as well...take my word for it.

[Robb]

91. ...Especially yours.

Go back and read the sign at the door. :hi:

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[rumguy]

82. H53Pilot is avoiding reality

You keep saying we don't know what's in the report. True, but what we do know already is fucking bad. And who's to say all the truth is even in that report? The truth will come out, eventually, and then we will see where the chips fall.

But, the power was in the Admin's hands, they had the power to take action and they didn't - they had warnings - THAT WE ALREADY KNOW! Can you even name one thing they did in response to those warnings? Of course you can't, cuz all they do is stonewall - leading more and more people to believe they are hiding something.

It's gonna be hello Watergate Part 2!!!

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94. Actually I think he's smart, but still an idiot

It is possible to be smart, and still be a moron ya know. He's ignorant, that I believe. But anyway, you are over simplifying the argument here - this isn't just about Bush, it's about his whole admin., and the cruel ruthless way it views the world.

THEY KNEW, we know that already, they knew something was up. The rest of the story is in the process of being answered. It's gonna be an interesting next few years, that's for sure.

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110. I agree, anyone that knew should be held accountable, but the admin.

had more of the pieces of the puzzle in front of them than anyone else, including the dems on the SIC. They had daily access to briefings and reports from intel. agencies, they had the power to direct action and GET RESULTS. That's why I see them as more culpapble. I worked for awhile in a Senate Office on Cap. Hill - you'd be surprised how "out of the loop" these Senators can be relative to what's happening in the executive branch.

The power of a Senator to effect government policy, by themselves, by just picking up a phone is very limited. They can do that by passing bills, but that takes time and effort.

The Admin has the power to effect government policy immediately. That's the diff....

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121. Well, we'll see what happens, I got things to do tonite so

I'm outta here...

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[Bandit]

41. Could Have Been and Should Have Been Prevented

Damning evidence from the head of the 9-11 investigation that Bush* himself appointed. No matter how you dance around it the fact is that there was Dereliction of Duty an impeachable offense.

[Robb]

62. "Imagine the uproar on this message board!"

Maybe if you say it a third time, I'll agree with you.

No, actually, probably not.

[ComerPerro]

74. Or

I wonder if Bush was warned repeatedly by several countries. And what if, hypothetically, someone like, say, John Ashcroft mysteriously stopped flying commercially around August of 2001 becaue of a "threat assessment".

And then, and once again, this is just hypothetical, suppose Bush were connected to a bunch of neoconservative assholes who call themselves the Project for a New American Century www.newamericancentury.org who had a twisted design for world domination, starting literally with the siezing of oil assets in the middle east.

Suppose the attack plan for Afganistan was planned well before September of 2001.

But, of course, to do that Bush would need a justifiable reason to take the nation to war. What would possibly justify first-strike warfare? How could someone who swore during the debates not to use US troops for "nation building" or as the "world's policemen" possibly justify a unilateral military action while toting a doctrine of preemptive war?

I am guessing he would need some kind of attack on the US, a "spectacular attack" that would realy just rattle the general population into a state of shock and complacency. One that would have then rushing of to Wal Mart and buying American flags, without regard for the "Made in China" stickers on them.

Of course, he would need an ambiguous threat. Someone without an address, someone without any tangible agenda in particular, someone who could serve as a perpetual boogeyman for literally as long as necessary.

Now suppose this same president recieved warnings about a "spectacular attack" planned on various US targets...

[Terwilliger]

56. Bush's record on fighting terrorism

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[Rex]

85. LMFAO

Good one!

[ComerPerro]

63. 2003

I tell you to fuck off.

Listen, pal. Why don't you do some reading on the numerous connections between the Bushes and bin Ladens, and the Bushes and Saudi Arabia? See how glorious your cokehead, alcoholic, half-witted "leader" looks then.

Or, if you are too lazy or are just too fucking stupid to do that, at least back up your assertions with some credible sources.

Think about all of the ways 9/11 benifitted Bush, and please do yourself a favor and get past Clinton.

You right wing shitheads pat yourselves on the back about how you are keeping tabs on the "klintoons" and how you won't let them get away with anything. But, all the while Bush is lying to you every day. And do you notice? Probably not. You are too busy being caught up in all of this jingoistic bullshit.

Take your psychotic, sycophantic ravings elsewhere, buddy, because I don't take interest in worshipping alcoholic morons who probably couldn't even pass an IQ test.

Seriously, though. Thanks for dropping by and sharing your twisted views.

[paulthompson]

64. Interesting list

Some truth to it, there are things Clinton could have done better. But much is complete BS. For instance, having the Yemeni gvmt extradite bin Laden if Clinton visited there? Bin Laden was living in Afghanistan at the time, not Yemen!

But what I really want to know is why does the list end when Clinton leaves office? What about all the failures of Bush before 9/11? Where's that list?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

97. Wow what an inacurrate crock of shit

Got proof that Clinton never went to the WTC? Funny, how can you argue about Bin Laden getting away and then argue that Clinton fired missiles into Sudan as so many clinton haters like to claim..it would seem one action aimed at Bin Laden cancels out the other.

BTW, there is something to be said for following international law, regarding having proof of Bin Laden's crimes..oh and what about those oil deals that were going on with the Taliban while they were hiding Bin Laden?...perhaps if the moron you elected were doing his job instead of jacking off at the ranch, four planes might not have been hijacked at once...

OH YEAH and something else I always wanted to ask a Bush defender. Even if none of this ishis fault...on 9/11 how come NOBODY notified the Port Authority so that they would NOT set up a staging area in the other tower when the Bushies CLEARLY KNEW another plane was headed to New York in the same vicinity of the towers? How come they never told the Port Authority so that they did NOT return people in the other tower to their offices when it IN FACT was also a target.

Even if one gives Bush the TOTAL benefit of the doubt as NOT KNOWING, how do you explain that EXTREME level of incompetence during a national emergency.

Care to answer???

[lolly]

48. Dang! Can I Delete my Own Message?

I broke my vow never to feed a troll, and I just fed one up above.

Can I delete it? Can the mods? Can we all stop feeding the trolls?

[kath]

54. Wow, the freepers sure are coming out of the woodwork tonight!

[Catherine Vincent]

67. Yup!

They know deep down their monkey president is at fault.

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[Individualist]

72. Your desperation is showing n/t

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[Individualist]

79. Of course not

I feel pity for ignorance, not anger.

[toddzilla]

86. what do you have to say about the put options?

please enlighten me.

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[toddzilla]

104. how exactly is this "no proof" ?

A one line response to something like this is hardly speaking volumes for your ability to refute what is common knowledge among anyone remotely aware of all the things surrounding 9/11 that just don't pass muster.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=put+options+9%2F11&fr=my_top

219,000 hits? are you saying that there weren't a massively increased number of these options made in the weeks prior?

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[Rex]

118. WHAT? You don't know...but but but...

I thought you said that we shouldn't be talkin bout stuff we don't know nuthin bout. I'm shocked & awed...another Republican breaking his own rules! Tsk tsk tsk...

[toddzilla]

120. It isn't a conspiracy theory, it's a fact.

Do i know who did it? nope. Would i like to know? yep. Has the white house pursued it? nope.


i'm not talking about a backroom conspiracy, i'm talking abouta verifiable, recorded action that PROVES someone knew what was going to happen. It just happens to be a coincidence that the firm that was involved in the trading transaction was formerly headed by a deputy director of the CIA.


Where is the money? It hasn't been collected yet, because the market was shut down in the days following 9/11 and it prevented whomever made the money from collecting without being caught. Its just sitting there waiting for someone to sift through the blood to claim it.

These are bald-faced facts that are indisputable.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/2/62018.shtml

there's a link from newsmax of all places.. even they can't deny it, and they are a fave of the freeper crowd.

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[thebigidea]

123. even if Bush jumped up and down, taking credit for the trifecta...

you would prolly drink his toilet water and ask for more.

as if you're interested in being shown facts!

[thebigidea]

109. you also have Dick Cheney, the Devil, and Donald Rumsfeld

lovely bunch you've chosen to associate with.

Tell Pickles I said hi.

[ComerPerro]

111. Do you even know what he is talking about???

Look. Someone placed a huge amount of put options on UAL just before 9/11. Their stock and their decision resulted in this person making millions of dollars from 9/11. Do you know who this person was?

Neither do we. Nor will we ever. The person never came forward, and the Bush administration has allowed whoever it is to remain anonymous.

Gee, I wonder why

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[thebigidea]

131. you're right, we should just give up! He's invincible-he heals the sick!

his urine smells like sweet, sweet ambrosia. His excrement? Well, you tell us how it tastes.

[Robb]

95. Do not feed the trolls.

H53PILOT has to be up early for kindergarten tomorrow, let him be. Hit "alert" so he can get his sleepy time.

[ComerPerro]

77. Personally, i think that is kind of sick

but thats just me.

[kentuck]

84. I don't know why you're laughing. Your assumption is totally wrong...

About the SIC having the same intelligence as the CIA, NSC, George Bush, and Condi Rice. See post #68 above.

[Individualist]

89. He's laughing

because ignorance is bliss.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

102. Yes they are embarrassed that they voted for an incompetent asshole

[Ksec]

80. Hardball tonight

the media actually told the truth. I fell off my chair

[JE748]

113. I know

I can't say how, but I have documented proof of Bush's knowledge of certain "incidents" occurring in 2001. When the time is right, the world will know.

[laruemtt]

117. the time is NOW!

whatcha got? and by all means be careful, if what you say indeed is true....

welcome to DU! :hi:

[thebigidea]

126. uh huh. And having proof that people would be willing to kill for...

the first thing you'd do is make a coy post on DU.

Golly, why should we be skeptical!

Ladies and gentlemen - JE748 has cracked the case!

[JE748]

132. Why would assume this is the first thing?

[thebigidea]

133. pardon me if I don't greet you as the messiah

all this scorn and suspicion, why - doesn't it make you want to come clean with your astonishing information?