thank you, thank you, AL, for your internet!

[grasswire]

I was in a conversation the other day with TWO Unitarian ministers (young & lefty), and I was able to dazzle them with my knowledge of things political and topical. They read Harpers. They read The Nation. They read Utne Reader. They listen to NPR and read newspapers.

But when I pointed out that Bush couldn't be RE-elected, they howled with laughter. (They hadn't encountered that before!)

And then one of them tried to tell me that Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld and the neocons really, truly, believe that their actions are rooted in Pax Americana as a force for good in the world, I was able to point out that PNAC documents show the map of the oil fields and laid out the plans. And then I asked why, if they truly believe their cause to be a noble one, why they had to bait and switch the American people into war. She had no answer for that.

And then the same minister simply would not give up on the idea that Poppy Bush is an evil man. I was able to go point after point after point, exposing the lies and the corruption. She had to capitulate.

So thanks again, Al Gore. For six years, your Internet has made me one of the best-informed people I know. (With an assist from our enormously talented pool of Dem and progressive internet activists, of course.)

[bpilgrim]

1. thank GORE he 'INVENTED' the INTERNET ;-)

:bounce:

i hear ya! good job :toast:

peace

[Catshrink]

8. He was responsible for some of the early funding...

so he didn't invent it, but if he had't been in Congress, would it have happened?

Maybe it was the Senate. And I don't have a source.... it wasn't that long ago that I read this. Was it in Franken's "Lies?"

[Stephanie]

2. hi grasswire! Those maps - are they in PNAC?

I know Judicial Watch got hold of some maps from Cheney's energy commission, including lists of "suitors" for Iraqi oil (spring 2001). Are there also maps in PNAC docs?

[grasswire]

4. oh maybe not

Maybe that's where I saw them.

You're on the ball Steph!

[Stephanie]

5. Isn't that case in the Supreme Court right now?

Not to derail your thread, but we need to be watching this case. Sierra Club and Judicial Watch want the files, Cheney appealed up to the Supreme Court. Here's the old article from when they got the first docs:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92372,00.html
Cheney Energy Task Force Documents Detail Iraqi Oil Industry
Friday, July 18, 2003

WASHINGTON — Vice President Dick Cheney's energy task force appeared to have some interest in early 2001 in Iraq's oil industry, including which foreign companies were pursuing business there, according to documents released Friday by a private watchdog group.

Judicial Watch (search), a conservative legal group, obtained a batch of task force-related Commerce Department papers that included a detailed map of Iraq's oil fields, terminals and pipelines as well as a list entitled "Foreign Suitors of Iraqi Oilfield Contracts."

The papers also included a detailed map of oil fields and pipelines in Saudi Arabia and in the United Arab Emirates and a list of oil and gas development projects in those two countries.

The papers were dated early March 2001, about two months before the Cheney energy task force completed and announced its report on the administration's energy needs and future energy agenda.<more>

[Stephanie]

3. Thank you Al Gore, for the Internet

If democracy isn't down the tubes yet, this is why.

[Dagaz]

6. But

What if Bush is elected next year and then in '08 says that he can run again because he was only elected once?

[Catshrink]

7. That is a scary thought!