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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 10:45 AM
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Cheney's Pheasantgate - who some of the shooters were
http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/stories/121803dnnatcheneyhunt.c173.html

When Dick Cheney and a hunting party that included Sen. John Cornyn and several other Texas Republicans bagged hundreds of pheasants at a private game reserve in Pennsylvania last week, animal-rights activists denounced it as a slaughter.

They were especially outraged that the vice president shot more than 70. But Mr. Cornyn said Wednesday that the birds had a sporting chance, even if they were farm-raised and released from nets for the hunters.

"It was a good shoot," said Mr. Cornyn, who figures he shot dozens of pheasants himself. He conceded that bagging the birds was so easy, at times it seemed "kind of like how Tyson's and Pilgrim's Pride and other people do it. ... I must tell you that people don't necessarily hunt the same way in Texas that they hunt in Ligonier, Pa., but it was enjoyable," he said.

Two major Republican donors from Dallas, investor Jeffrey Marcus and investment banker Daniel Cook, hosted the Dec. 8 outing at the exclusive Rolling Rock Club in southwestern Pennsylvania, Mr. Cornyn said. Real estate executive and former Dallas Cowboy Roger Staubach was there, too. Mr. Marcus declined to discuss the trip; the others did not return phone calls.

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 10:46 AM
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1. HUNTING - THE "SPORT" OF COWARDS
FLAME AWAY YOU F***ING COWARDS
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Mikimouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 10:52 AM
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3. One can hardly call what these people did 'hunting'
n/t
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 10:59 AM
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5. I agree
Sorry. :)
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:02 AM
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6. Hunting is hardly the sport of Cowards ...
I will start by saying that I do not hunt. I went coon (as in Racoon) hunting in MA once about 25 years ago.

Butchering caged animals ala Cheney, Nugent, is cowardly since it puts man at a serious advantage.

Cheers
Drifter
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:47 AM
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13. "cowardly since it puts man at a serious advantage."
If this is the criterium to establish cowardice (which isn't something I necessarily agree with), then the mere fact the human has a gun and the animal doesn't automatically implies the human is a coward.
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:11 AM
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8. yeah, and the courage you display by
Edited on Fri Dec-19-03 11:11 AM by buddhamama
walking into a grocery store to pick up your dinner, after the brutality has occurred, leaves one speechless.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:49 AM
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14. What a big assumption...
...that hunters hunt so they can eat.

If that were the case, I'd be all for hunting. After all, all carnivorous species hunt.

Humans hunt (or, at least humans in America) because they have a fetish.
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:58 AM
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17. yeah but, what a huge generalization was made
about hunters that i responded to.
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ThomC Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:56 AM
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16. Is that insult directed to all hunters?
Or just republican hunters?
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Sir_Shrek Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 10:52 AM
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2. Something to keep in mind, folks......
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adriennel Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 10:58 AM
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4. Michigan loves hunting
...but what Cheney did is not hunting! someone call Ted Nugent :mad:
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:04 AM
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7. I protest the use of the word "hunting" to describe this activity
I've been hunting, and blasting dozens of disoriented birds isn't hunting.

Geez, Dick, why not just shoot fish in a barrel?
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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:13 AM
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9. Power trip, maybe...
"Hunting"? No way. Cheney and his friends are dillusional.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:13 AM
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10. There is a "game ranch" of that sort near Sheffield, Pa
Edited on Fri Dec-19-03 11:14 AM by SpikeTrees
You pay to go in and shoot one of the animals that they raised as it wanders through the woods. Pathetic
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:28 AM
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11. Ich bin ein Fasan
somehow, in the total scheme of things, I know how the pheasants felt ...
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:45 AM
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12. Compare that to Teddy Roosevelt.
On a bear hunting vacation in Mississippi, during his presidency, Teddy wasn't having any luck. Some one caught a bear cub and tied it to a tree so the president could shoot it. Teddy was outraged and demanded the bear be released. The story made the papers, to great public approval. Toy makers named their toy bears - Teddy Bears. The name stuck.

The constrast between that great man, (Yes, he was a Republican. Once they were a great party.) and this "hunt" is dispicable.

At the same time, I don't see this as having any legs as a scandal. Joe Sixpack isn't going to care. Griping about this is going to sound like PETA complaining and will fall on deaf ears.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:51 AM
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15. "The birds had a sporting chance"
"Mr. Cornyn said Wednesday that the birds had a sporting chance"

What dos Mr. Cornyn consider sporting? Releasing birds from nets into a firing range? As I recall, well over two thirds of the released birds were bagged. That sure ain't sporting. Slaughter would appear to be a more accurate description. Do the rules of what is sporting change when one goes from Texas to Pennsylvania? Cornyn is a fraud.
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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:01 PM
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18. Pardon my ignorance,
buy why didn't they just shoot clay pigeons? How could it make you feel good to shoot 70 live birds?
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:09 PM
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19. Clay pigeons don't bleed
"Hunting" is supposed to be a blood sport. Besides, they donated the birds to homeless shelters (yeah, right). Why don't you want homeless people to have the chance to eat tasty pheasant?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:41 PM
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20. Clay pidgeons can't experience SHOCK AND AWE
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:47 PM
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21. Psychotic mass murderers start this way...
Some keep up the practice even after graduating to slaughtering tens of thousands of innocents in a War manufactured to help your buddies rape the world of its resources.

"It's good to be the King! PULL!"
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 01:00 PM
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22. Roger Staubach?
Whata "sportsman" he is!
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 01:15 PM
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23. let me get this straight ...
Dick and his boys all got together, boarded Air Force 2 and flew it up to Pennsylvania to slaughter pheasants?

Uh .... how is this not a criminal mis-use of Air Force 2?

Next thing you know he'll be caught using his White House credit card to get lapdances.

And no one will care.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 01:45 PM
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24. "Please Sir may I have another"? another,another....
That must have taken about all the skill and work that Oil Dick could emass with that bad ticker. He sure couldn't be wandering all over the woods for hours hoping maybe one pheasant would fly up.

Pathetic to say the least....


David
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