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Rabbit of Caerbannog Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:26 PM
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Your opinions please
Edited on Fri Dec-19-03 01:24 PM by filthyrottenbastards
DeeCee area snipers John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo were both convicted of capital murder. Jury recommended the death penalty for Muhammad and are getting ready to decide Malvo's fate. What do you think? Death penalty, life without parole, or life with the possibility of parole?

On edit: I beleive Virginia is number 2 behind (Our Great Leader's) Texas in the number of executions - and it does not seem to have influenced Virginia's murder rate. You would think someone would realize that the death penalty doesn't seem to work and needs to be reevaluated...

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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:27 PM
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1. No idea
Probably life without parole, rather than parole, without having heard all the testimony given by the defense.

Death penalty is just barbaric, imo. Nothing warrants that.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:28 PM
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2. You should repost this as a poll.
It would be interesting to see how many DU'ers would favor the death penalty for this person. My choice would be life without parole.
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Rabbit of Caerbannog Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 01:35 PM
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13. how do you repost something?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 03:18 PM
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22. Make a post with a poll. It's on the choices when you post.
Scrub the first one and ask the mods to delete it. It's too late for this one now though because you can only do that in the first thirty minutes after the post.
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Sir_Shrek Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:33 PM
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3. Death Penalty
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libview Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:36 PM
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4. isn't he is a minor?
he should be held until his 18th birthday and releases.
what is this country coming to?
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:59 PM
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11. no, he is not a minor
he was during the crimes but he is now 18 years old.

Welcome to DU. :hi:
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adriennel Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:38 PM
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5. no death penalty for juveniles
according to Amnesty International, there are three countries in the world that execute minors: Iran, the Congo, and the United States. We're keeping some good company there, huh?

I'm anti-death penalty for anyone but I get even more angry when I hear about the mentally ill or minors facing the death penalty. In this case, I have no doubt that Malvo was operating under Muhammad's influence and guidance, something that minors are more susceptible too.

Malvo should be punished for the crimes he committed. I do not believe he should be put to death. I think it's sickening we are one of the THREE countries that execute minors.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:44 PM
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6. They are both CIA Psy-Ops stooges
It is really sad how the American people could stand by and let this happen. The manipulation of the court system to railroad these guys is absolutely Kafkaesque.

Shooting Up on Insanity in Washington, DC
by Richard Wall
http://www.lewrockwell.com/wall/wall17.html

The Center For An Informed America
D.C. sniper update
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr20.html


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political virginian Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 01:48 PM
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15. To Railroad them
They have Malvo on tape confessing to the shootings and bragging about them. He only recanted once he realized that that recording would slam him in court. Good-Bye and Good Riddance. 2 degeneratges pieces of filth that will hopefully be gone soon.
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Pillowbiter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:44 PM
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7. My death penalty stance is this
a person should only get the death penalty if they have killed more than one person, *and* it is certain that they would kill again.

Even though lately I haven't seen much justice in this country, I hope the jury of his peers will decide what's right.

PB





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GAspnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:49 PM
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8. how do you prove item #2?
I mean, predicting the future is not exactly a science.
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Pillowbiter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 04:15 PM
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25. Many years of pshyciatric evaluation
i.e. make the death penalty very hard to acheive.

PB
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:55 PM
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9. I am adamantly opposed to the death penalty even if they are a child
Edited on Fri Dec-19-03 12:57 PM by Bandit
:shrug: There are some here who would advocate for the death of a child. We are the only westernized nation that is so barbaric that we still have the death penalty. No other western country does. They also have a much lower murder rate than we do. Go figure. We teach that killing is good and we have a lot of killing here. :crazy:
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:58 PM
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10. Life without parole.
The death penalty is barbaric.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:59 PM
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12. I think state-sponsored death is inherently evil
I don't care who's administering it, or why.

Imagine if the DMV was in the business of killing people. That's what the death penalty is about.

Ugly business, inhumane, uncivilized, and sends the message that "some killing is good".

Two wrongs don't make a right. The only time it's right to kill is in self defense.
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 01:38 PM
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14. no death penalty
he was so young and under the psychological control of Muhammad imho and didn't seem to have any other adult guidance. death penalty never any good, again imho.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 01:55 PM
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16. When I was 25 I opposed the death penalty for anyone....
Edited on Fri Dec-19-03 01:55 PM by Rowdyboy
The horror of the 25 years since then has changed my mind. These people set out to stalk and murder innocent civilians and were extremely sucessful. I see little to be gained by prolonging the evil they represent.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 01:56 PM
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17. Life w/out parole
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 02:19 PM
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18. Life without any chance in Hell of getting parole
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 02:23 PM
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19. Life without parole.
The death penalty is indefensible---period.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 02:55 PM
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20. I agree with death penalty for Muhammad. Life w/o parole for Malvo
because he was a minor during the crimes and because he was influenced by Muhammad.
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ThomC Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 03:05 PM
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21. Life, hard labor, no parole ever
no TV, no smokes, no company, nothing. A heartless and destructive murderer that destroyed the lives of many families. He needs to feel their pain tenfold.
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 03:22 PM
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23. bushkills.com
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 03:55 PM
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24. Life w/ possibility of parole
He is young and had a horrible family life when he was befriended and upheld Muhammad as a role model and parent figure. I don't believe that he was insane but very much under his influence. I wonder if the jury would have decided differently on the verdict or penalty if Muhammad had been his very controlling blood father instead of just emotionally. I am sure that if he were up for parole 20-30 years in the future that they would very much consider whether he has matured and was capable of being a productive member of society. If he was still deemed a threat, he'd stay in prision. I am anti death penalty and especially for children at the time of their crime. If anyone should get the death penalty, it is rich arrogant middle aged men who believed it was their right to kill someone they deemed inferior and had every reason not to turn to crime, not poor impressionale kids with bad family lives. The former are not executed. The latter often are.
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