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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:20 AM
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Letters the Troops Have Sent Me... by Michael Moore
Letters the Troops Have Sent Me... by Michael Moore

December 19, 2003

As we approach the holidays, I've been thinking a lot about our kids who are in the armed forces serving in Iraq. I've received hundreds of letters from our troops in Iraq -- and they are telling me something very different from what we are seeing on the evening news.

What they are saying to me, often eloquently and in heart-wrenching words, is that they were lied to -- and this war has nothing to do with the security of the United States of America.

I've written back and spoken on the phone to many of them and I've asked a few of them if it would be OK if I posted their letters on my website and they've said yes. They do so at great personal risk (as they may face disciplinary measures for exercising their right to free speech). I thank them for their bravery.

Lance Corporal George Batton of the United States Marine Corps, who returned from Iraq in September (after serving in MP company Alpha), writes the following:

“You'd be surprised at how many of the guys I talked to in my company and others believed that the president's scare about Saddam's WMD was a bunch of bullshit and that the real motivation for this war was only about money. There was also a lot of crap that many companies, not just marine companies, had to go through with not getting enough equipment to fulfill their missions when they crossed the border. It was a miracle that our company did what it did the two months it was staying in Iraq during the war…. We were promised to go home on June 8th, and found out that it was a lie and we got stuck doing missions for an extra three months. Even some of the most radical conservatives in our company including our company gunnery sergeant got a real bad taste in their mouth about the Marine corps, and maybe even president Bush.”

Here's what Specialist Mike Prysner of the U.S. Army wrote to me:

“Dear Mike -- I’m writing this without knowing if it’ll ever get to you…I’m writing it from the trenches of a war (that’s still going on,) not knowing why I’m here or when I’m leaving. I’ve toppled statues and vandalized portraits, while wearing an American flag on my sleeve, and struggling to learn how to understand… I joined the army as soon as I was eligible – turned down a writing scholarship to a state university, eager to serve my country, ready to die for the ideals I fell in love with. Two years later I found myself moments away from a landing onto a pitch black airstrip, ready to charge into a country I didn't believe I belonged in, with your words (from the Oscars) repeating in my head. My time in Iraq has always involved finding things to convince myself that I can be proud of my actions; that I was a part of something just. But no matter what pro-war argument I came up with, I pictured my smirking commander-in-chief, thinking he was fooling a nation…"

An Army private, still in Iraq and wishing to remain anonymous, writes:

“I would like to tell you how difficult it is to serve under a man who was never elected. Because he is the president and my boss, I have to be very careful as to who and what i say about him. This also concerns me a great deal... to limit the military's voice is to limit exactly what America stands for... and the greater percentage of us feel completely underpowered. He continually sets my friends, my family, and several others in a kind of danger that frightens me beyond belief. I know several other soldiers who feel the same way and discuss the situation with me on a regular basis.”

Jerry Oliver of the U.S. Army, who has just returned from Baghdad, writes:

“I have just returned home from "Operation Iraqi Freedom". I spent 5 months in Baghdad, and a total of 3 years in the U.S. Army. I was recently discharged with Honorable valor and returned to the States only to be horrified by what I've seen my country turn into. I'm now 22 years old and have discovered America is such a complicated place to live, and moreover, Americans are almost oblivious to what's been happening to their country. America has become "1984." Homeland security is teaching us to spy on one another and forcing us to become anti-social. Americans are willingly sacrificing our freedoms in the name of security, the same Freedoms I was willing to put my life on the line for. The constitution is in jeopardy. As Gen. Tommy Franks said, (broken down of course) One more terrorist attack and the constitution will hold no meaning.”

And a Specialist in the U.S. Army wrote to me this week about the capture of Saddam Hussein:

“Wow, 130,000 troops on the ground, nearly 500 deaths and over a billion dollars a day, but they caught a guy living in a hole. Am I supposed to be dazzled?”

There are lots more of these, straight from the soldiers who have been on the front lines and have seen first hand what this war is really about.

I have also heard from their friends and relatives, and from other veterans. A mother writing on behalf of her son (whose name we have withheld) wrote:

“My son said that this is the worst it's been since the "end" of the war. He said the troops have been given new rules of engagement, and that they are to "take out" any persons who aggress on the Americans, even if it results in "collateral" damage. Unfortunately, he did have to kill someone in self defense and was told by his commanding officer ‘Good kill.’

"My son replied ‘You just don't get it, do you?’

"Here we are...Vietnam all over again.”

From a 56 year old Navy veteran, relating a conversation he had with a young man who was leaving for Iraq the next morning:

“What disturbed me most was when I asked him what weapons he carried as a truck driver. He told me the new M-16, model blah blah blah, stuff never made sense to me even when I was in. I asked him what kind of side arm they gave him and his fellow drivers. He explained, "Sir, Reservists are not issued side arms or flack vests as there was not enough money to outfit all the Reservists, only Active Personnel". I was appalled to say the least.

"Bush is a jerk agreed, but I can't believe he is this big an Asshole not providing protection and arms for our troops to fight HIS WAR!”

From a 40-year old veteran of the Marine Corps:

“Why is it that we are forever waving the flag of sovereignty, EXCEPT when it concerns our financial interests in other sovereign states? What gives us the right to tell anyone else how they should govern themselves, and live their lives? Why can't we just lead the world by example? I mean no wonder the world hates us, who do they get to see? Young assholes in uniforms with guns, and rich, old, white tourists! Christ, could we put up a worse first impression?”

(To read more from my Iraq mailbag -- and to read these above letters in full -- go to my website:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/dudewheresmycountry/soldierletters/index.php
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:25 AM
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1. Read them folks
you will have tears in your eyes
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theoceansnerves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:27 AM
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2. thanks
thanks for the heads up.
these are really intense.
not in a good way.
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letthewindblow Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:49 AM
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3. READ the letters
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 06:33 AM
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4. Must reads! n/t
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 07:37 AM
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5. Stars and Stripes has similar stuff from the front lines
I want to think that the military vote that Rove counts so heavily on just might not be there for Bush next year.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:19 AM
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6. Good read and I keep Moore's site on my PC
Who run Stars and Stripes? I have always heard they say what they like but who owns it? Very interesting in what the men have to fight with. Is this greed in the big business that is now the supple corp?
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 02:24 AM
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26. With the stakes so high in the next election,
wanna lay odds on certain military ballots being forever lost? It's not out of the realm of possibility with this cabal.
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Dirty Hippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:47 AM
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7. kick
n/t
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 09:50 AM
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8. Intense!
Will pass the link on, thanks!
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 11:18 AM
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9. great stuff:
From one of the letters:

I found what I've been fighting for. It's been you, all along. I hated you on a plane ride in the dark with shaking hands. But you've been the roof of my loyalty, my bravery, and my dignity. Mr. Moore, you are America. This isn't a "I'm a hip liberal & I'll be cool if I get an autographed copy of Stupid White Men" letter. I've faced every weapon, from SCUDs to swords, and I've had to face why. And you've been the answer. I'm serving a country in which you live; where you're allowed to speak and PEOPLE LISTEN; where you're allowed to write and PEOPLE READ. What a beautiful country – every injustice has a prosecutor – every struggle has a defender
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 12:08 PM
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10. Kick
for the men and women who have dare to tell the truth and for Michael Moore for giving them a safe place to do it.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 12:13 PM
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11. kick
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 12:20 PM
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12. Very emotional read...
I think it may very well be every American citizen's duty to peacefully and legally remove the Fascist Warlords from power.
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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 04:45 PM
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13. Kick
The Lord of the Right Wing

http://flash.bushrecall.org/LOTRW.swf
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 04:51 PM
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14. Soldiers complaining....
is a time-honored tradition, dating back at least as far as the Roman Empire.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 06:06 PM
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17. so true, but now
they are being asked to die for no good reason. It makes even the slightest problem worse.
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cirej2000 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:31 PM
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15. This isn't another documentary is it?
Wanna make sure before I get caught up emotionally.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 06:04 PM
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16. Kick - Great reads from honest troops n/t
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 06:15 PM
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18. These letters are amazing. Thank you Mike...
"An Army private, still in Iraq and wishing to remain anonymous, writes:

“I would like to tell you how difficult it is to serve under a man who was never elected. Because he is the president and my boss, I have to be very careful as to who and what i say about him. This also concerns me a great deal... to limit the military's voice is to limit exactly what America stands for..."

Here's what Specialist Mike Prysner of the U.S. Army wrote to me:

“Dear Mike -- I’m writing this without knowing if it’ll ever get to you…I’m writing it from the trenches of a war (that’s still going on,) not knowing why I’m here or when I’m leaving. ...I found myself moments away from a landing onto a pitch black airstrip, ready to charge into a country I didn't believe I belonged in, with your words (from the Oscars) repeating in my head."


Mike took a lot of shit for his brave and true Oscar remarks.
Maybe this letter will help balance that out.

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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 06:20 PM
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19. Wow
:hi: thanks
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 07:25 PM
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20. I love this but I wonder why Michael would publish the soldiers names?
He could keep the original e-mail and produce them if he needed to prove the legitmacy of the letters. I like the idea of being able to read these letters but why publish their names if it might cause them problems from their superiors or from their fellow soldiers?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 12:00 AM
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21. He probably asked them first
There are quite a few anonymous ones.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 01:09 AM
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23. not a problem
they're all made up !

or he WANTS them to to get thrown out of the military because they're evil baby killers.

Must be one or the other.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 12:57 AM
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22. the guy fictionalizes material for a documentary
do you really expect me to believe this ?

I'll pass.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 02:24 AM
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25. How about this one, which is not among the ones Michael Moore has?
IRAQ "They're just going to keep killing us until we leave"
By Kevin Horrigan
Published: Sunday, Dec. 14 2003

He got off the plane Monday afternoon - Mosul to Kuwait to Germany to Atlanta
to Dallas to St. Louis - two days traveling for 15 days at home. He was wearing
a faded desert-tan combat uniform and a battered pair of boots, still covered
with the dust of the Iraqi desert.

He slept for most of the next two days, getting up only long enough to eat and
wander dazed around the house. "They told us we wouldn't know where we were for
a while," he said. "I didn't think it would affect me, but it is."

There is a new wariness. He moves slowly and deliberately, uncertain of once
familiar things: a refrigerator, a newspaper, a baby girl. The newspaper says
three of his fellow Screaming Eagles were killed in Mosul the day before, two
shot dead while guarding a gas station, the third when his Humvee rolled past a
roadside bomb. He will be back in Mosul by Christmas. No wonder he is wary.

Even the air he breathes is unfamiliar. "It's just nasty and dirty there," he
said. "There's a bunch of dead animals - dead dogs, dead cows, dead donkeys -
on the roadsides. There's sewage in the cities and the towns. There's oil
fires, fires nonstop. There's just trash everywhere. Everywhere. It's like a
giant landfill. There's chickens and donkeys in the towns, walking around,
dumping wherever they want. Stagnant water all over. All of it. It's just a bad
smell."

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/columnists.nsf/0/738561163913325486256DFB003E3970?OpenDocument&Headline=IRAQ+
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