Isn’t our new ally Muammar Gaddafi a brutal, sadistic ,dictator?

[Timefortruth]

But we love him because he is our brutal, sadistic, dictator, is that it? Does this remind you of another Bush who became close to a brutal, sadistic, dictator? Never mind, that didn’t happen, history has been rewritten.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

1. wonder what * pet name will be for Gadfy? and if * will look into his eyes

and see his soul?

[OneTwentyoNine]

15. Pet name for John Travolta--Moonman...

I don't think the dumb ass is capable of remembering names at all so he has to resort to his trusty list of shortened monikers give to people.

The guy is just plain ass stupid....

David

[Party of the People]

2. Did ya' ever notice how the U.S.

keeps pulling this sort of junk...will we never learn? :mad:

[AfroLib]

36. True

So true. How long will this take to become another tragic fiasco, just like Republican support of Iraq under the Reagan administration?

[grannylib]

3. Yup and we bombed him some years back hoping to kill him; killed

one of his children instead, if I remember correctly.

[loudnclear]

4. We will never know how much his "conversion" cost the UK/US but

there was no call for democratic elections. He is still a dictator...now he is "our" dictator like so many before him. In fact, like Saddam was...so he had better watch out the US cannot be trusted...just ask the Native Americans.

[Cocoa]

5. he's like Saddam, but with WMD

and ties to terrorist groups.

I guess Saddam could have been our friend too if he had those additional qualities.

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. Wasn't he actually behind one of the worst terroist attacks

in modern history? Didn't he refuse to cooperate or hand over the suspects for years? But all the while Bu$hCo was beating the war drum to invade Iraq because Saddam was having wet dreams about WMDs, they were secretly negotiating with Gaddafi who actually did have WMDs. W once again proves to world that he is full of shit.

[spotbird]

7. No that was a different Libyan dictator named Gaddafi,

who happens to be the evil twin of the current good Dictator Gaddifi. No need to feel embarrassed it's a common mistake.

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. It's just so hard

to keep track of all these brutal dictators and whose team they're on this year. Thanks for clearing that up for me. LOL

[Aidoneus]

28. what act are you referring to?

.

[JanMichael]

29. The Pan Am "Lockerbie Bombing".

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5260/headpage.html

[Guaranteed]

39. Didn't you hear?

That was "friendly fire" now.

[DoYouEverWonder]

30. The Lockerbie crash/bombing

Also, there is speculation that the same people who did Pan Am 103 were also reponsible for the crash of a military jet at Gander, NF in 1985 with 248 servicemen on board. Of course, Bush Sr did everything in his power to cover up any investigation into this incident, which was most likely a terrorist attack and not an accident. Supposedly, the same type of bomb that was used on the Pan Am flight was also used on the US Army chartered ARROW AIR DC-8.

[Aidoneus]

31. snuffing out Iran Air 655 was probably bigger, and rewarded with a medal

I believe some Sikh "terrorists" (Khalistan fighters trying to make headlines) scored a bigger hit on a jet than either.

At any rate, al-Qaddhafi was always, at every point, an unimportant lightweight in comparison to the millions that the US regimes and its lackeys in the world do quite routinely.

[Ksec]

8. Well he was- now -hes Bushs Ace up his sleeve

Hes gonna use this big time. Itll be spun until Bush looks like a Christian hero that magically reformed a wretched Distator and made him whole again.

[Cleita]

10. Connections.

North Korea and Gaddafi have a WMD connection or so my addled brain synapses are telling me, but I can't find anything concrete. Does anyone have a memory jog about this or better than that an information source?

[MrPrax]

20. This connection just recently...

Dec 12, 2003
US, Spain caught in Libya missile mixup
By Tito Drago

MADRID - The US government needs to explain why the missile shipment on a vessel intercepted a year ago on the high seas by the Spanish navy ended up in Libya, a spokesman from Spain's Defense Ministry said this week.

The official was referring to declarations made by sources from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) to the Madrid daily El Mundo that claim 15 complete Scud missiles, a set of conventional warheads and 85 containers of chemical products - some 20 holding nitric acid - were ultimately delivered to Libya under a Washington decision...
more
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/EL12Dg01.html

Yeah an explanation would be nice about those scud missiles from NK...going to Yemen and ending up in Libya...
hmmm...
and this week...Libya is our good drinking buddy

[Cleita]

22. Good find. Thanks.

There's something fishy going on with these guys.

[sid dicious]

11. Unbelievable! He's someone we can trust all of a sudden now?

I don't want to deal with this either!

So I'll say that he's evil and that's the only reason why he decided to give roll over.

Now to get Libya off the United Nations Chair for the Human Rights Commision.

And why does Khaddafi, Ghaddafi, Quaddafi still have that welcome back Kotter hairdo?

[auburnblu]

13. So peaceful negotiating is now bad???

This kind of reminds me of North Korea during the Clinton administration when they agreed voluntarily to suspend their nuclear programs. Did Clinton and Carter do a bad thing when they tried to negotiate to have a halt to North Korea's nuclear program? North Korea wasn't exactly a progressive country then either. What should the U.S. do with Libya, I sure as heck don't want another war, the same with Iran. So its bad to negotiate with a leader like Ghadafi and its bad to attack. I hope we don't have another Iraq anytime soon and I hope this is an example of how it can be avoided. Ghadafi is a horrible guy, but hell so is Castro and often we hear how the U.S. should normalize relations with Cuba?

[DUreader]

14. No. Bush* and his hypocrite moron crony war profiteers are still bad

[spotbird]

24. Did you read today's news that in 1984 Rummy told Saddam

the US has no real problem with Saddam gassing his own people. Now Rummy is leading the charge against Saddam for "gassing his own people".(If you believe that I've got some prime realestate to sell you).

The same players that gave Saddam permission to invade Kuwait then attacked when he did are now acting lovely with Libya; this isn’t about negotiations,peace on earth, reduced terror threats, human rights or anything good. We don’t give a shit if Gadhafi has WMD, kills and eats babies, or is the most brutal dictator in human history. The gang of criminals running the US today doesn’t care about those issues anywhere in the worldjust as they didn't 20 years ago. This is about oil and wealth for a few in the elite. The blood of millions could be on that money and it wouldn’t matter at all to our leaders.

Are you really that naïve?

[number6]

27. no, we could a done that with Saddam

but of course he didn't actually have WMD's
just those oil wells of mass profit ....

[Cocoa]

35. peaceful negotiating is good, of course

what's bad is our government lying to us about our foreign policy. That's very bad.

[newyawker99]

17. Hi sid dicious!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[sid dicious]

19. Thank You.

Thank you. I'm sort of moderate...but I sort of like it here. I took a look at a site called che-lives and it was incomprehensible. This is a bit more sane.

:)

[htuttle]

12. You mean the guy that MI-6 hired Al Queda to assassinate?

Whoops!

WARNING! READERS IN GREAT BRITAIN MUST AVERT THEIR EYES AND NOT READ THIS MATERIAL. IT IS UNDER AN OFFICIAL D-NOTICE!

MI6 hired Al Qaeda men to kill Gaddafi: ex-official
http://www.dawn.com/2002/10/30/int9.htm

By Martin Bright

LONDON: The British government will this week go to unprecedented lengths to stop a renegade counter-intelligence officer, David Shayler, from making his most devastating claim yet : that the Libyan Islamic cell paid by British intelligence agents to assassinate Colonel Gaddafi in February 1996 were members of Al Qaeda.

(snip)

The assassination attempt on Gaddafi was finally made in February 1996 during an official parade near the Libyan leader's home city of Sirte. A bomb or a grenade was thrown at the cavalcade, killing several bodyguards.

In a fire fight that followed, three militants were killed. Gaddafi survived, but several innocent bystanders were killed. Footage released on Libyan TV in 1998 showed an alleged grenade attack on Gaddafi from the period of the alleged plot. A man is seen throwing an object into the dictator's entourage and is later said to have confessed to being a British agent.

(snip)

A top-secret MI6 document leaked on the Internet two years ago confirmed British Intelligence knew of the plot, which involved five colonels, Libyan students and 'Libya veterans who served in Afghanistan'. Shayler claims this last phrase is intelligence shorthand for Al Qaeda.-Dawn/The Guardian News Service.

Link to D-Notice injuction against author of above article
http://cryptome.org/r-v-bright.htm

I act for the Attorney General who has obtained an injunction against you in relation to the republication of the article published in the Pakistani newspaper "Dawn" on 30th October and any information derived from or about the employment of David Michael Shayler in and his position as a member of the Security Service (whether presented as fact or fiction) which relates to or may be construed as relating to the Security Service or its membership or activities or to security or intelligence activities generally. The injunction also prohibits the publication of the order containing the injunction or any part thereof.

(snip)

IT IS ORDERED THAT:
 
(1) The Defendant be restrained until trial or any retrial] or further Order whether by himself, his servants or agents or otherwise howsoever from further publishing or causing or permitting to be published or disclosed or instruction or encouraging any other person further to publish or disclose in any way whatsoever, including, for the avoidance of doubt, publication or disclosure on the Internet, the article written by the Defendant entitled, 'MI6 Hire Al Qaeda Men to Kill Gaddafi: Ex-Official" and published on 30 October 200 in Pakistan in the Dawn newspaper and on the Internet on the Dawn newspaper's Interned site or any part thereof.

(more at link)

Article about the D-Notice on the Shayler story
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/10/09/1034061258269.html

Taken from the Age - Australian National Daily Newspaper - banned in the UK

Media gag on alleged plot to kill Gaddafi

October 10 2002
By Paul Daley
London

The British media have been gagged from reporting sensational courtroom evidence of former MI5 spy David Shayler, including his alleged proof that the British secret service paid $270,000 for al Qaeda terrorists to assassinate Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi in 1986.

In its efforts to contain Mr Shayler's allegations to the privacy of the court, the government has even stopped the media from reporting its successful attempt to win a gag order.

(more at link)

Do you mean this Gaddafi guy? All that 'bloodthirsty' stuff was back when we were still at war with Eastasia. We've always been at war with Eurasia.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

25. Blow me!

I've been hoping to see Shayler popping up as a talking head, but no such luck. Also, no reporting of what the right-wing press over here was going schitzo with a few years back about Ghaddafi training the IRA & providing them arms. No, we have Jack Straw calling Ghadaffi a "Statesman" & every Foreign Office mandarin patting themself on the back. Maybe Robin Cook can redeem himself by confirming the assassination plot he denied whist heading the FO (which is responsible for Mi6). Maybe "Tamworth" (the Libyan agent) will go public. Or maybe everyone'll get the D-notice's out & shut up our oh so wonderful "free press" as per usual. (The paper to look out for is the Guardian who have a lot of the Shayler material from when he first went public back in the late 90s).

In the meantime, I'll shut my eyes so you can have a gander at this:

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

32. Libya spies' secret deal to reveal terrorists

Libya provided detailed intelligence on hundreds of al-Qaeda and other Islamic extremists as part of a deal to end its isolation as a pariah nation, The Observer can reveal. The disclosure came as Prime Minister Tony Blair and President George Bush yesterday celebrated a diplomatic triumph following Friday night's dramatic announcement that Libya had renounced its weapons of mass destruction programme.

<snip>

But the real prize for London and Washington for two years of intense negotiation was access to material from one of the world's most formidable and feared intelligence organisations, The Observer can reveal.

<snip>

In a further twist, it has emerged that the key Libyan negotiator was once an avowed enemy of Britain, accused of exporting international terror and masterminding Libya's support for the IRA.

Musa Kousa, the head of Libya's external security organisation, was an enemy of Britain and America until the events of 11 September 2001 made Libya a useful ally in the war on terror.

The one-time Libyan envoy to London, he was expelled from Britain in 1980 for publicly threatening to murder dissidents. He was also named by the French as a suspect in the bombing of a civilian airliner over Niger in 1989 with the loss of 170 lives.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1111197,00.html

Lets get cynical! I think it's time to start looking over those missile shipments again ;)

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/EL12Dg01.html

[dave46]

16. In a world as imperfect as this

we will always have to deal with these kind of people.

[newyawker99]

18. Hi dave46!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[dave46]

21. Hey Newyawker!

I like the accent in the name ;-) And thanks for the greeting.

[okieinpain]

23. I do believe mr. gaddafi has something else he's more

interested in.

http://southafrica.indymedia.org/news/2003/08/4375.php

http://www.usafricaonline.com/gaddafidiouf899.html

http://www.afrol.com/News2001/egy006_afr_union.htm

I remember reading a article a year or two ago about gaddafi, riding around africa handing out money. I do believe that he sees himself as president of the united africa. It would be hard for any to oppose him as president if he is seen a friend of peace.

[number6]

26. Muammar Gaddafi...dictator

But we love him because he is our (payed for) brutal,
sadistic, dictator .......

[durutti]

33. As far as I know...

This guy is the only other person besides Saddam who's used chemical weapons in recent memory.

[arewethereyet]

34. what new ally ?

If we loved him would we have blown up half his family for his terrorist crap in the 80's-90's ?

No, we caught him with the nasty stuff and he's making nice so we don't blow his ass up.

[Orangeone]

37. It sounds like

People are still brain-washed by the Reagan propaganda. He's not in the same league as Saddam. He's cracked down on Islamists, as most secular Arab dictators have done but not as brutally as Assad or Saddam. He was just a convenient Boogeyman for Reagan to focus on.

Also as far as the Lockerbie bombing goes, I heard that it was Iran that was responsible.

[DoYouEverWonder]

41. The Lockerbie families still blame Libya

Deal irks Lockerbie families

December 22, 2003

LIBYA'S surprise pledge to surrender its weapons of mass destruction stunned the families who yesterday marked the 15th anniversary of one of the most devastating acts of the Tripoli regime: the Lockerbie bombing.

Some of the relatives of the 270 people killed by the Libyan bombing of Pan Am flight 103 on December 21, 1988, expressed scepticism that Muammar Gaddafi would keep his promises.

Others accused the Bush administration of rewarding terrorism because it wanted to do business with Muammar Gaddafi's oil-rich state.

"What I get from this is Gaddafi massacred 189 Americans at 31,000 feet and he's now being rewarded by the US," said Bert Ammerman, whose brother was killed in the bombing.


I think I will go with their opinion since they are the ones that know all the gory details about this terrible attack better than the rest of us.

[Guaranteed]

38. Don't forget TERRORIST

and we're currently negotiating with him. We're going to give him money.

This guy blew up Pan Am Flight 103.

[Speed8098]

40. Niavete

34. what new ally ?



If we loved him would we have blown up half his family for his terrorist crap in the 80's-90's ?

No, we caught him with the nasty stuff and he's making nice so we don't blow his ass up.

That's exactly what the * junta wants you to think. But I'll bet money, there's more to this than we are being told :scared:

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Orangeone (61 posts) Sun Dec-21-03 06:10 AM
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37. It sounds like




People are still brain-washed by the Reagan propaganda. He's not in the same league as Saddam. He's cracked down on Islamists, as most secular Arab dictators have done but not as brutally as Assad or Saddam. He was just a convenient Boogeyman for Reagan to focus on.

Also as far as the Lockerbie bombing goes, I heard that it was Iran that was responsible.

Iran???? Have you been living in a tomb? It was clearly established that Quadaffi(sp) was responsible, not Iran. But I'll bet we'll be hearing more bushit like this as the idiotadministration starts their lovefest with this dictator of the month