On the terror alert, an irony a friend of mine noticed

[JohnKleeb]

Remember how Governor Dean was criticized for saying we weren't any safer, I agree with what he said and all. Isn't it kind of ironic that they raised the terror alert. We arent safer. I think Dean was right, and it was extremely ironic of them to raise the terror bar. Anyone else other than my friend and I see the irony in this. I don't think Iraq is any safer, soldiers are still dying. Just saying folks, I find it ironic.

[Punkingal]

1. I think so, too, John,

I don't even believe them. I think it a CYA alert, myself. And the poor airlines! I'm glad I don't work for American Airlines anymore. People must be cancelling reservations right and left!

[JohnKleeb]

3. Its ironic isn't it

I didn't see this at first, but it is funny that Governor Dean was criticized for saying the situation hasn't approved a bit over there, then they raise the terror alert. :eyes: Very strange. I gotta keep my eyes peeled.

[searchingforlight]

2. I agree with you. It is just another attempt to join Iraq to 9/11.

What boils my peanuts is that the dems are poo-pooing the truth in this too. James Carville on Meet the Press this morning was one.

[JohnKleeb]

8. that stinks

because I smell something funny and it isn't me.

[radfringe]

37. ....join Iraq to 9/11."

but but but but but Bush* said we were safer after the Saddam capture, by invading Iraq and going after non-existent WMD's would make us safer, by leaving a job half-done in Afghanistan would make us safer, that we are safer because Bin-Laden is no longer relevant

raising the alert level to Orange means Bush* failed

[XanaDUer]

4. Yup

I was just waiting for the "terra" alert to go up for the holidays.

And no, I don't think we are safer, either.

[JohnKleeb]

6. what a present eh

These bastards motivation is to scare the crap out of us.

[XanaDUer]

9. Keep everyone on edge

(I'm not on edge, though-we probably have a better chance of winning a lottery than being the victim of a terra attack), and worried.

But I think they lost a lot of cred, even with paranoid types, with that stupid duct-tape suggestion.

But they cannot just scrap the color alerts, 'cause then it would look like they really don't know what they are doing.

Which I don't think they do, actually.

[JohnKleeb]

13. I think they are definely trying to scare people

Thats what tehy are all about. It scares me to no end.

[XanaDUer]

15. The only thing we need fear

is fear itself. (paraphrasing)


Fear paralyzes people.

[JohnKleeb]

20. FDR eh

Its such a dangerous weapon.

[XanaDUer]

25. Dangerous and highly effective

weapon. Because it can be so easy to use and spread.

Yes, FDR. :)

[JohnKleeb]

26. That man as they called him is one of my big heroes

Think about y'all. Fear, thats what this adminstration uses, and you know what it works. Normal good hardworking people are willing to go to unjust war because of lies and fear.

[liberalnurse]

5. Well I sense they need to cover their

red butts. It also gives more prime air time to repugs for *bush and company. Many reasons to raise a vague alert.

[JohnKleeb]

7. This adminstration gains power through fear

It sickens me to no end. Boys are still dying in Iraq after Saddam's capture. It is just so wrong that they operate on our fears. I am determined to send Bush home more than ever. That is the primary goal for me.

[liberalnurse]

12. You are very insightful.

This right wing fundementalist regime has no concious, no morals and are using the American people like a tele-evangilist preacher on cable.

[JohnKleeb]

21. Why thank you

I just am nervous about it all. Fear is the weapon of tryannies wouldn't you agree?

[demvoter]

14. Good Point but sort of a good news bad news

wouldn't you say?

Good news, Dean was right, we are not any safer

Bad news, Dean was right, we are not any safer :scared:

:kick: Bu$h out now.

[buycitgo]

36. you have the world's GREATEST hobby!

see?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=934348

registering nonvoting voters is the KEY!

a hundred MILLION!

how many would it take to make the election Diebold-proof?

[LauraT28]

10. F THEM!

**shaking in my boots** :eyes:

[JohnKleeb]

11. yeah fuck em

These bastards as Ive been saying use fear as a weapon, why do you think they pushed this war? The war was used as a weapon of fear.

[Cleita]

16. I keep thinking something might happen during the

Tournament of Roses in Pasadena for the Rose Bowl. I wonder if anyone else is worried about it. I don't think they have the same security concerns that they did right after 9-11. :tinfoilhat:

[Newsjock]

17. And here on CNN ...

... the only "expert" they're talking to about this whole thing is Jim Gilmore, former GOP chairman.

Where in God's name is the balance in that!? He spouts GOP talking points one after another, including using that phrase "the homeland" -- the phrase that was certainly focus-group-tested by Rove and Co. to evoke all those nationalistic feelings.

This whole thing just makes me livid beyond words. F*ck you, George W. Bush, International Terrorist.

[Cleita]

18. The homeland or Der Vaterland. Makes you wonder.

eom

[searchingforlight]

19. Isn't it interesting how "homeland" and "fatherland" have a similar ring?

[JohnKleeb]

22. not to nitpick

but fatherland is always what the germans have called their fatherland. I personally prefer the more Russian, motherland.

[searchingforlight]

23. Given. But I was referring to the political use of the phrases.

[JohnKleeb]

24. I see

Its ok and you're right. Fear I believe is the most dangerous weapon of all, the bastards used it after 9/11, used it for the patriot act, IWR etc, thats what this adminstration operates on, not hope but fear.

[Old and In the Way]

27. Fight Terror. Vote Democrat.

Rather simple actually. It's only complicated because the Republicans are tied to Oil, the bin Ladens, and Saudi Arabia. May be they are even compromised by the Terrorists and their inaction of protecting us on 9/11/01.

Vote Democrat and watch a new vision that reinvests in alternative energy and a de-emphasis of Oil interests, change and reinvigorate our domestic economy.

[cliss]

28. Let's look at the options:

a) they captured Saddam and thought that it would end the resistance in Iraq. It would also put an end to terrorism worldwide. This is why they proudly paraded Uday and Qusai's corpses around, to get the message across (by the way, did anybody notice that insurgencies tapered off after that? Answer = no).

b) they captured Saddam and they knew it would not affect the resistance in Iraq. This is because Saddam has very little to do with the insurgents there today. They did it more as a Photo-Op, since Bushya can't use his 'mission accomplished' banner any longer.

c) they decided to call for an orange alert because they really have noticed an increase in "chatter" which means that option a) is invalid.

d) they decided to call for an orange alert because they want us to be frightened over the holidays. They know we'll be together with family and friends over Xmas, and they want us to be talking about Terrorism, not Santa.

I would tend to bet on option d).

[Kathy in Cambridge]

29. As LibertyChick said above, the administration is using fear to control

people. I know there is a bad flu outbreak this year too, but if I hear one more story on the news about it, I'm gonna :puke:

The media is fueling the fear.

I think the terror alerts are bullshit.

[buddhamama]

30. we're not safer. and man, this terra alert could kill our consumerism

this holiday season(now that's a real bummer) timed just right though, when most people are done buying.

[KoKo]

31. It's the Ultimate in Hypocracy! Dean get's trashed and Ridge raises Alert

:nuke:

[GOPGoindown]

32. Dean, DeLay, Ridge quotes-Beyond the Pale

"The capture of Saddam is a good thing which I hope very much will keep our soldiers in Iraq and around the world safer," Dean said. "But the capture of Saddam has not made America safer."

Howard Dean-December 15

"We're getting terrorists all over the world. And the world is much safer today than it was on 9/11....But they've gone over the top. I mean, Howard Dean saying that we're not safer because Saddam Hussein is out of office, and some making--and sort of saying that the president has concocted this war to save his political hide...those kinds of outrageous comments are just beyond the pale."

Tom DeLay on Meet the Press-this morning


"The strategic indicators, including al Qaeda's continued desire to carry out attacks against our homeland, are perhaps greater now than at any point since Sept. 11, 2001," U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge told a hastily called news conference.

Tom Ridge-this afternoon

[Old and In the Way]

33. Gee, I guess DeLay didn't get the memo.

So either Ridge or DeLay is lying......I guess I'll believe Dean.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

34. bush* pissed about not being chosen Time's "man of the year"

says, "i'll show those fuckers just how happy i can make their Christmas holiday"....Orange Alert! Orange Alert! ORANGE ALERT!!!
HO HO HO ORANGE ALERT....that'll learn'em"

[Rhiannon12866]

35. They are using the terror people have after 9/11 to their advantage

They just raise the "terror alert" and people just completely freak out. They are manipulating the American public by raising and lowering the "terror alert" levels. That's what "Bowling for Columbine" was all about, creating a society of fear. It's despicable.:grr:

[radfringe]

38. will be making my partner a tin-foil hat

we were watching the news about the Holiday Orange-Alert on a local station, this was followed by a story about holiday retail sales being not as "good" as expected..

I mentioned that two weekends of snowstorms would be the excuse used, my partner then said "..no snowstorm this weekend so they will probably blame it on the orange alert keeping people home and away from the malls..."

I told her that she needed to wear a tin-foil hat when making statements like that... :evilgrin:

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[xchrom]

40. can't be safer

bushco uses the terrorists and vice versa -- too bad the american people have so much available wool to be pulled over their eyes.

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[SammyWinstonJack]

42. Do ya feel safer? Well do ya?

On the local new this morning, they had one of their reporters stopping people and asking if the elevated terra lert made them feel safer or not? Three guesses and the first two don't count, as to how this questioned was answered. :eyes: pResident Dumbass said the World was a safer place since SaddamOsama was caught. If that is so, why the need to elevate the Nation to dreamsicle level? So here is my answer to that insane and annoying question--I don't feel any safer and it has nothing to do with the boogeymen Bush* invents to try to keep us in a constant state of fear.