Clark's remarks on Iraq called into question

[littlejoe]

Wesley Clark on war in Iraq: "I think, when you put Iraq in retrospect, it's still going to look like a $150 billion to $200 billion mistake, dispite the fact we were successful."

I don't know about you folks, but I fail to see anything successful about this tragic debacle. It is beginning to look more like Vietnam every day, with no exit strategy or solution to the mess we created for the Iraqi people.

For Clark to make a statement touting our success in Iraq calls into question his "knowledge" on matters of foreign policy, which he so highly touts.

[jmaier]

1. How about a link

with some context, littlejoe. Or is this just another sideways anti-Clark thread?

[littlejoe]

13. I have no link with context. This was a blurb found in the

Political Buzz section on page two of today's Kansas City Star newspaper. I gave you all that was written. The paper did not list what event, or who he made the comment to.

[MIMStigator]

2. He meant successful removing Saddam

He says all the time that there is no strategy and it was a mistake. That means a failure by a miserable failure

[clarknyc]

6. I thought that success in Iraq meant...

eliminating an imminent threat. Well, what imminent threat has been eliminated?

[hilzoy]

10. Actually, I thought he meant

that when we looked back on this at some point in the future, after it was all over, we would think (a) that we had done what we set out to do, and (b) that setting out to do that, at such a cost in lives, moral authority, money, etc., was a big mistake. So the operative claim would be not that we have succeeded now, but that we will have succeeded by the time we get to look back on it all. But that still won't make it worthwhile.
In any case, though, he isn't saying what the original poster thought he was saying.

[private_ryan]

3. he wants to win, that's why he says what he says

you should run for President yourself and see how far you'll go by being honest

[BootinUp]

4. I think

this post should go in GD:2004 forum.

But also your title does not seem match the content of the post or at least Clarks quote.

cheers

[Myra]

5. Remarks out of context and in the wrong forum.

This post has it all!

[Democrats unite]

7. You really should know what you are talking about before posting.

A Real Plan for Success in Iraq


When the President flew out to the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln and posed under the banner that read: "mission accomplished," he made it clear he did not understand the scope of the mission. We need a success strategy. Only success that can honor the sacrifice of so many American men and women; it is only success that will allow Iraq to stand on its own; and it is only success that will allow our soldiers to come home. Early exit means retreat or defeat. Wes Clark has a plan to internationalize the reconstruction, counter the terrorists' guerilla war more effectively, and give Iraqis a greater stake in our own success.


http://www.clark04.com/issues/iraqstrategy/

[littlejoe]

15. What makes you so allknowing?

I've been involved in Democratic politics for forty years. It isn't just a hobby with me. Clark is the person who made the remarks. They should be called to question. If you don't like it, it's not my problem.

[Democrats unite]

22. What makes me all knowing...

I posted a link with the comments that he made. Wished I could say the same for you.

If you wish to say something you should be ready to back it up.

[Jerseycoa]

8. I've only heard him refer to success

In terms of the initial invasion in an analytical sense. Not that he would have done it. He is 100% opposed to it having been done. But, clearly, the initial military action was successful. It went straight downhill from there. He says repeatedly going into Iraq, in the first place, was the WRONG thing to do.


http://www.clark04.com/issues/iraqstrategy/


This is my second post in a row answering this same thing. It must be today's false charge against Clark.

[Democrats unite]

9. We must think alike!

LOL!

[Party of the People]

21. me, too...me, too

:grouphug:

[coralrf]

11. Stop insulting folks...

you know damn well what this means. Successful means able to topple Saddam. That is how Bush defined it. You know him don’t you?

Why do folks do this shit? littlejoe..just how stupid do you think we are. How hard did you have to spin in order to manufacture that crap? But it was all about this:

For Clark to make a statement touting our success in Iraq calls into question his "knowledge" on matters of foreign policy, which he so highly touts.

setting up that fact based lie....now wasn’t it? Keep trying my man. Clark will not be an easy one for you.

[littlejoe]

17. Who is insulting who? I don't have a magic 8 Ball.

I don't get paid to read minds. Clark is the one who made the comment. If you don't like it, take it up with him.

[Jim Sagle]

12. Nothing's wrong with or untrue about what Clark said.

[K-W]

14. If most of america sees removing saddam as a success,

then that is a very very politically wise position for him to take to beat Bush.

Also I think this is on the wrong forum.

[littlejoe]

18. What forum, and I'll take it there.

[K-W]

20. It might be better suited for the 2004 primary forum.

I think thats where discussions of candidates go.

[GR]

16. I Think It's Going to Be Successful Like Israel Was Successful...

In other words, there's going to be 50 years of continuing conflict between Iraq and the rest of the surrounding countries.

[Gloria]

19. He has delineated 4-5 points that would indicate success in Iraq...

during his statement with Samantha Power when he came back from The Hague.
These have been delineated in at least one thread...so seek, and you shall find!!