If there's a Terror Attack this week after Bush Lied us into the Wrong War

[Stephanie]

If there is a terrorist attack this week after Bush lied us into the Wrong War, then Bush must not get away with excuses this time. While he was chasing S. Hussein he let Bin Laden and Al Queda get away. If anything happens in the US this week the blame lands squarely on Bush. He dropped the ball to play Wolfie's lunatic games of global dominance.

If this terra lert is real, Bush is screwed.

How can BushCO explain away another attack, with their billions for Homeland Security, billions to wage war in Iraq and Afghanistan, their curtailing of rights here at home, invasions of our privacy. How can they possibly escape responsiblity for not preventing this one, if it truly is a real threat?

[buycitgo]

1. this is an excellent point, well stated

should be very obvious to anyone but the craven handmaiden media, who haven't discussed this at all yet, AFAIK

lots of threads on this sprouting up, triffid-like.

here's one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=948890

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wanna put this in your header?

[Stephanie]

2. umm

What's a triffid?

[buycitgo]

5. think "id"

think "triff"

actually, think google

[nostamj]

6. CLASSIC sci-fi movie

there is an celestial event, and nearly everyone is blinded.

then, sentient man-eating plants (triffids) start to take over the planet.

really, a MUST SEE!! (for sci-fi fans anyway)



on edit: i cah't tippe wurthh shet

[Andy_Stephenson]

15. "and I really got hot when I saw Janette Scott

fight a triffid that spits poison and kills...Dana Andrews said prunes gave him the runes...And passing them used lots of skills.
And when worlds collide Said George Pal to his bride I'm going to give you some terrible trills Like a Science fiction double feature....Dr X will build a creature. See Androids fighting Brad and Janet. Anne Francis stars in Forbidden Planet. Oh - at the late-night, double-feature...Picture Show By RKO O- Oh At the late-night, double-feature Picture Show In the back row At the late-night, double-feature I want to go."

Guess what that was from.

[Stephanie]

17. Rocky Horror

finally a reference I can understand!

[MisterP]

21. the Pete Wilson guide to governing California?

you know, Frank-N-Furter is Nigel Thornberry.

[nostamj]

22. oh man.... too easy

WAY too easy! ;-)

have fun on TV tomorrow...

[buycitgo]

25. ha! Howard Keel.......thought it was John Raitt

knew it was somebody like that

[madrchsod]

7. sci-fi movie

people turned into plants if i remember....

[LiberalVoice]

3. You have to much faith in the ignorant american populous(i.e. 71%)

I have stood around and watched the american public swallow the most ridiculous bulshit that bastard has spewed out of his dirty mouth and they eat it like Thanksgiving dinner. The first excuse he makes will be the only one he needs to get the people to forget the truth.

[mourningdove92]

10. Unfortunately, I agree with liberalvoice.

Shrub will pull another photo op, complete with morose,sad facial expressions, dab his eyes, let his voice quiver about the US "will not falter, will not fail to bring the evil doers to justice" and the American sheeple will lap it up.
sucks, totally sucks. I hope we don't have another attack on our soil, but believe we will. I hope if it happens that America will turn on Shrub in a maddened rage, but dont really believe that will happen.

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[buycitgo]

34. not even in the mood

had enough of Tom DeLay for one week

[NickB79]

43. Poor thing

Only lasted 4 posts.

[buycitgo]

45. how can you tell?

it's still on my board

thx

[madrchsod]

4. yes they are screwed

if there is an attack,they will be responsible for this one..no more reading fuck`n kids books while the nation is under attack-no more running all over the country trying to figure out how to get the bin laden family and other saudi`s out of the country. can`t blame clinton`s blow jobs on the next attack....

[Stephanie]

11. YES they are screwed

We need to remind everyone every day that this CANNOT happen, and if it DOES happen, it's bush's fault. His WHOLE IDENTITY is about winning the "war on terra." I DARE them to let another one happen. I'm FURIOUS about this.

[proud patriot]

8. I believe this time it will backfire on bushco

IMHO

[mot78]

9. Exactly!

We can't let him pull off the whole "you're unpatriotic" crap on us, let alone have his approval ratings go into the 90s again. If, God Forbid, we get hit again, then * should be held to the highest standard of accountability.

[buycitgo]

13. agree with all the above posts........

once again, as always, the lynchpin in all this is, of course, the media.

they are the gatekeepers.

they control what the mass majority of the information consumers see/read/hear.

and that media protect their own territory viciously.....do NOT stray from the heard. tell the story the way it's supposed to be told, or you'll end up like Robert Parry, Ray Bonner, Jason Leopold, or worse, Steve Kangas, Danny Casolaro, or that Fortunate Son guy.

there's a very small number of people out here who take any time to find out the other side of the story, and they/we are, for the most part, unheard, and, effectively powerless.

I know it may seem to be changing, and I hope it is, but if the last few weeks' developments, and media reaction thereto, is any indication, I'm stocking up on Depends, cause I'm getting scared.

.....not of Orange attacks, but of what the future holds for
NeO-ceania.

time for my choco ration

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

49. JH Hatfield was the writer of "Fortunate Son"

That is a good book too.

[Stephanie]

12. If there is an attack, it will be a DIRECT CONSEQUENCE

of bush's failed policies and bad decisions. His administration is a miserable failure.

Two years and many, many billions of dollars later, and we are NO SAFER than we were on 9/11??

So Howard Dean is right!

[buycitgo]

16. see my post above? about media?

I dearly hope you're right, but:

who's hearing about/will hear about it?

I think the media are getting WORSE, not better.

their sycophancy knows no bounds. from Thanksgiving until today proves it to me, beyond any possibility.

the only thing that might turn their rabid fangs on the chimp is if some disaster occurs, something the CW herd will be forced to cover to the detriment of the junta. given their unwillingness to think for themselves, once the storyline is determined, they might, (might) turn on their alpha wolf.

not counting on it, though

[Stephanie]

20. What's different now, is that they have to cover our candidates

And our candidates will say it. Well, we know which ones will say it. So while the media won't report on their own, they do have to cover them, and the truth will enter the public's consciousness.

[buycitgo]

29. dunno........what about Dean, when he SAID we're not safer?

did you see how badly he was hammered from ALL corners, including the socalled "liberal" gasbaggers? Did anyone see ONE supporter of this most obvious observation?

they can't WAIT to devour him.

did you SEE DeLay today? I thought he was going to cream his jeans when Russert asked him about a prospective Dean candidacy.

It was like watching a starving jackal slobbering over a wounded antelope.

wonder if the dems will be sufficiently chasened.

also starting to think that Dean is going to be SO mangled in this process that who's ever on second is going to waltz into the driver's seat, only to suffer the same vicious character assassination as Dean.

not too sanguine at this point.

Hope hope hope I'm wrong

[Stephanie]

30. But Dean was proven RIGHT within DAYS

The press HAD to cover Dean saying it, they immediately ridiculed him for it, and three days later, TERRA LERT. Dean is right, they're wrong, Bush is wrong, we're not safer and the Iraq war was the WRONG expenditure of our resources at the wrong time for the wrong (false!) reasons.

[buycitgo]

36. missing point here

NObody is talking about his being right.

remember, ALL the herd discusses is horse race horse race horse race.

any mention of policy and its effects is immediately subsumed into the context of how it will affect candidate's electability, popularity, etc.

they NEVER discuss anything of substance. that would take.....effort!

I saw NO mention.....zero......of that obvious fact, and I'll be willing to bet that even the most "liberal" gasbaghead won't, either.

CW is VERY VERY strong on this one, and the whores really seem to have their claws sharpened and extended toward Dean.

anybody else think so?

[nostamj]

39. it's not black and white to me... so far....

yes, it would seem that Dean has been labeled as 'chum' and the sharks are out.

but, the sharks seem to be fellow-Dems (take a walk down the hall), while the repubs 'seem' to welcome the Dean candidacy.

if Dean survives the internal battle, then Rove will unleash clingfire on him.

for the time being, he can sit back and enjoy the show without using an iota of political capital.

a successful terrorist strike (without the implementation of martial law) will end bush. 'miserable failure' would be an understatement.

i would expect a major intervention. 100,000+ potentially dead if not for the heroic actions of.... 24/7 until you puke.

[buycitgo]

44. you didn't see DeLayded,did you?

I've seen pugnuts from Gergen to DeLay to Barnseyboy ripping HARD on Dean, ever since he said that. they feel safe doing so, seeing as how even the 'lib' pundits are piling on.

one libjag even said (on CapGang?) that he was right, but used infelicitious choice of WORDS to express himself!

WTF is up with that kind of garbage?

something very strange is going on around here.

somebody needs to step up in the mainstream media and tell the troof for a change.

oops.....past midnight. way overdue for my anti-psychotics...that last sentence is proof enough of my dementia.

[nostamj]

33. a bushco failure to stop a new attack

would be the end of them.

far more likely is that they will 'jessica lynch' a heroic intervention that saves thousands of lives

photoshopped graphics of the 'potential kill zone' will ecplise the live video of the burning towers

the masses will lie protrate before the prince and will take on the yoke to drag his war machine across the globe

happy holidays!!

[2cents]

14. simple--overstate the opposite

They'll say the attack was an act of desperation and a clear sign we're winning the war on terror. If the media pumps it, enough people will believe it.

[Octafish]

18. Attack would be part of BFEE Meisterplan.

Then Bushler would have Gen. Tommy Franks come on TV and announce the suspension of the Constitution and Generalissimo Jebthro could declare martial law. Great. Not even a Selection 2004. Told you that 9-11 was just the Reichstagfeur— Octafish

Tommy Franks: Martial Law Will Replace Constitution After Next Terror Attack

SNIP...

Newsmax
Friday, Nov. 21, 2003

Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government.

SNIP...

In the magazine's December edition, the former commander of the military's Central Command warned that if terrorists succeeded in using a weapon of mass destruction (WMD) against the U.S. or one of our allies, it would likely have catastrophic consequences for our cherished republican form of government.

Discussing the hypothetical dangers posed to the U.S. in the wake of Sept. 11, Franks said that “the worst thing that could happen” is if terrorists acquire and then use a biological, chemical or nuclear weapon that inflicts heavy casualties.

If that happens, Franks said, “... the Western world, the free world, loses what it cherishes most, and that is freedom and liberty we've seen for a couple of hundred years in this grand experiment that we call democracy.”

CONTINUED...

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/11/275357.shtml

[Stephanie]

23. Oh MAN, you really know how to make me feel WORSE

I'd (thankfully) forgotten about that little gem. Thanks for the nightmares tonight, old friend.

[Octafish]

27. Sorry, Stephanie. Knowledge Is Power.

Right now, our spreading the facts about the BFEE is the only thing keeping them from proceeding with their plans. The Pentagon, the CIA, most of the people in the US Government are GOOD people — not BFEE.

By helping spread the word about what the Little Turd from Crawford and his Trillionaire Posse are up to regarding 9-11, PNAC, Perle-Khashoggi Axis of Profits, etc., we help keep the Good Guys informed.

And that's what's giving the BFEE nightmares, DU Friend Stephanie. DUers use the mightiest of weapons, the Truth.

[Oilwellian]

40. I wrote a letter to the editor..

of my local paper about this very story and they printed it. I asked if Franks had forgotten that he swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. :D

[AntiCoup2K4]

19. There won't be any terror attack.

The "yellow alert", like every one of the previous yellow alerts, is a distraction to keep a growing story in the British press from breaking in the states. In this case, it's the fact that the Kurds captured Saddam Hussein.

This fraudministration will only be able to get away with one more arranged terror attack, and it's far too early for them to play that card yet.

[Stephanie]

24. You might be right - I've had no internet since Thursday

and I DID NOT hear that story until I came to DU tonight. Yep -that story is effectively buried. When did it break? Link for the folks?

[maggrwaggr]

26. here's a link

http://www.sundayherald.com/38816

[Stephanie]

28. Thanks - still, no matter the reason, the point still holds

If they are lying about the terra lert, or if it's real, they CAN'T evade responsibility this time. BushCO is supposed to be keeping us SAFER by FIGHTING TERRORISTS. Why aren't we SAFER?

<excerpt from your article>

By early Sunday – way before Saddam’s capture was being reported by the mainstream Western press – the Kurdish media ran the following news wire:

“Saddam Hussein, the former President of the Iraqi regime, was captured by the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. A special intelligence unit led by Qusrat Rasul Ali, a high-ranking member of the PUK, found Saddam Hussein in the city of Tikrit, his birthplace. Qusrat’s team was accompanied by a group of US soldiers. Further details of the capture will emerge during the day; but the global Kurdish party is about to begin!”

By the time Western press agencies were running the same story, the emphasis had changed, and the ousted Iraqi president had been “captured in a raid by US forces backed by Kurdish fighters.”

Rasul Ali himself, meanwhile, had already been on air at the Iranian satellite station al-Alam insisting that his “PUK fighters sealed the area off before the arrival of the US forces”.

[Stephanie]

32. Another source for that story - Bloomberg!

Hussein Was Held by Kurds Before U.S. Capture, AFP Reports

Dec. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Saddam Hussein was captured by U.S. troops only after being held prisoner by Kurdish forces, who had had drugged and abandoned him, Agence France-Presse reported, citing a Sunday Express newspaper report.

The Kurdish Patriotic Front, which fought alongside U.S. forces during the Iraq war, held Hussien until it negotiated for more political advantage in the Middle East, AFP said, citing the paper, which quoted an unidentified Iraqi intelligence officer.

Hussein, who had been in hiding since April, was captured a week ago about 9 miles south of his hometown of Tikrit in northern Iraq, Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez, the top U.S. military commander in Iraq, said at a press conference then.

(Agence France-Presse 12-21)
Last Updated: December 20, 2003 22:28 EST

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aUBP42FLX880&refer=us

[Stephanie]

38. Yahoo! - Saddam was held by Kurdish forces, drugged and left for US troops

LONDON, (AFP) - Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) was captured by US troops only after he had been taken prisoner by Kurdish forces, drugged and abandoned ready for American soldiers to recover him, a British Sunday newspaper said.


Saddam came into the hands of the Kurdish Patriotic Front after being betrayed to the group by a member of the al-Jabour tribe, whose daughter had been raped by Saddam's son Uday, leading to a blood feud, reported the Sunday Express, which quoted an unnamed senior British military intelligence officer.


The newspaper said the full story of events leading up to the ousted Iraqi president's capture on December 13 near his hometown of Tikrit in northern Iraq (news - web sites), "exposes the version peddled by American spin doctors as incomplete".

<more>

[Cooley Hurd]

35. If there's a successful terrorist attack, then yes, he's toasty-oats...

...however, if they thwart it, then he'll get a minor boost in the polls, at best.

The midnight turkey run to Iraq, as well as Saddam's capture gave him minor boosts, at best. Thwarting a terrorist attack will most likely do the same. That's why I think he's toast regardless of what he does anymore. The 'murican people are seeing through that shit more and more every day...

[buycitgo]

37. on that note, would they DARE........

concoct a bogus attack?

is a pug's ass pork?

[kentuck]

41. If it's al Qaeda, then yes, Bush can be blamed for not going after....

the al Qaeda terrrorists, rather than Saddam Hussein. Perhaps if he had gone after the real terrorists, we wouldn't even have this alert at this time?

[evil_orange_cat]

42. if it's WMD... Saddam will get the blame and Bush will be a hero...

that thought just occurred to me... SCARY!

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[librechik]

47. Won't happen. We're SAFE now that Saddam is in custody.

Why the alert? Just the Same old "left hand doesn't know what right hand is doing" crap so rampant in this administration.

They just want to pretend so people think they're doing their jobs, when they obviously don't, aren't and never will.

Shrubbie couldn't blame a new attack on Clinton, (though that wouldn't stop him from trying) but he would be taking a big risk to approve another attack. He might do it anyway though, just because he's a stupid, murderous f****r who doesn't care who gets hurt as long as his polls go up. But I believe it would backfire on him since he's invested so much propoganda minutes in asserting that capturing Saddam would make us safe.

[ElementaryPenguin]

48. If there is another successful terrorist attack in the U.S. BushCo is

totally fucked - FINISHED politically! (assuming there is enough support to successfully ban electronic voting)

[Minstrel Boy]

50. No. Think of Israel, and remember Ariel Sharon's success.

Sharon incites violence against Israeli citizens, and yet last year he won reelection. Why? Because when confronting violence, a populace will be inclined to support a "strong man," even if he's the very one who perpetuates its insecurity.

An easing of tensions helps a candidate of peace. Hightened anxiety helps a "strength and security" candidate. It might be counter-intuitive, but that's my read of electorates.

Anyone think Bush would not be adept at channelling Americans' inclination to lash out in violence after another attack? That's his strong suit. It's what he does best.

Also, they've been saying for more than two years now that another spectacular attack is not a matter of "if," but "when." They've beaten that into Americans' heads. They've hedged their bets.

[Stephanie]

51. If there's ANOTHER Terror Attack on Bush's watch he is TOAST

Impeachment will be the LEAST of his worries. He got away with it the first time (so far) but if he lets another one slip past him all of NYC will WALK to DC and personally escort him to The Hague.