Bush's economic approval rating goes up (????)

[Cascadian]

I don't get it. the economy is doing better? I am still out of work.

Next, we will be hearing that it's "morning in America" again.

Read this. Makes me sick!:puke:


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031222/ap_on_go_pr_wh/ap_poll_economy&cid=544&ncid=716

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[JailBush]

24. Indy 77 wrote, "Let me refine your summary of kon's just a bit..."

"Everybody has problems. I'm sure your's is crappy, but I'd venture to say it's not the worst out there. Stop blaming others for it. It gets you nowhere. People could just as easily blame the previous administration for starting this economic disaster. Don't forget, it was on a downhill slide before Clinton left office."

PuhLEEZ! You're absolutely right when you say the economy was going downhill under Clinton, as was public education and everything else in this country.

But the decline was greatly accelerated by George W. Bush. If you think of the economy as a flesh wound, Clinton didn't bandage it, but the Republicans have been pouring salt on it. For crying out loud, how many billions of dollars have these thugs lost or stolen? What happened to our NATIONAL BUDGET SURPLUS?

Saying that blaming others gets us nowhere is ridiculous. Problems don't fall out of the sky; they're caused by PEOPLE, people with names. One of the reasons this country is so screwed up is that people are so reluctant to blow the whistle on corrupt elements.

[ClintonTyree]

31. Most economists...............

have stated that the recession started in March of 2001. That puts it squarely in the lap of Bush. His constant talking down of the economy really did wonders.

[terrisel]

39. What has Bush done about the downturn except made it worse ?

Agreed. It's not whether the business cycle was going into a downturn when someone takes office, it is what that person does about it.

Bush has not dealt with it --he has made it worse. Clinton most likely would have dealt with it.

Bush takes some actions and avoids taking others. He is consistent in that his actions and his inactions result in a worse life for Americans.

Yes, remember the surplus????
What did he do with it? Spent it? Stole it?

Remember his campaign ---"It's your money and I want to give it back to you"? Well most people are now paying more for less.

This guy got thousands of people in NYC killed and burned because he didn't follow-up on the terrorism threats he was warned about by Clinton's administration, and then didn't warn the World Trade Center personnel of a possible impending attack (although they had been a target previously and were a likely target) , and is now hiding behind "national security" to hide the evidence of his failure.

While the attack was going on he sat in an elementary school classroom and did nothing (some commander-in-Chief).

He doesn't act like a president and defender of the Constitution, possibly because he wasn't elected and believes he owes us nothing.

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[Cascadian]

4. I have been looking.

I suppose I should pull myself by my own bootstraps, right?

John

[OrAnarch]

6. I hate to be he one that says it...

But Uncle Sam always wants YOU! :)

See, good thing we have a war in a time of a bad job market...


Or, from their point of view, great thing there is a bad job market due to our shitty policies so we can send more people off to die for our coorporations.

[Robin Hood]

22. What a fucktard thing to say.

Find a job... WTF do you think that he/she is doing. Fucking insensitive pricks.

[Cascadian]

25. Martin Luther King Jr. had a great saying.

"It is a cruel jest to say to a bootless man to pick himself up by his own bootstraps."


Think about that.

John

[dusty64]

37. Don't worry its

just another "compassionate" conservative. This just proves that the Pravda press is working for our regime. Repeat a lie often enough and it is true. The stock market is soaring, never mind that people have yet to recoup the thousands they lost. Christmas sales are skyrocketing, never mind that most stores have warned their sales are NOT meeting projections. Unemployment is down, don't pay attention that they have changed the way they reach these figures leaving millions unaccounted for. Yeah, its morning in the USSR all right.

[foreigncorrespondent]

26. That is a pretty ignorant statement.

How about listening to the hell stories of the people who are unemployed instead of naturally assuming they are bludgers.

My partner has been out of work since the oath in the oval office stole the election. And before you jump all over her, yes, she has been looking for work, one problem, so do thousands of others, for the same damn job.

Get a reality check mate! There are a hell of a lot of unemployed people out there. How about getting some Christmas cheer as well, and perhaps donate some money to some of those unemployed people, so they too can enjoy a nice Christmas.

[Sapphocrat]

28. Oh! Is THAT all I have to do?

Go find a job? Why didn't I ever think of that???

Packing my bags right now... for INDIA, which is where my job WENT.

[Cascadian]

29. Yeah Sapphocrat. You didn't know that???

Yeah. You just got to "pull yourself by your own bootstraps". There are many retail and fast food places hiring at mininmum wage. We should just go the nearest Wal Mart and McDonalds and get a job!!! Oh please!!!

Please see the sarcasm in my response.



John



;-)

[Sapphocrat]

32. Darn! And all this time...

...I was really planning the rest of my life as a Welfare Queen!

Nuts. Well, what's a lousy 15 years in high-tech for a few Fortune 500 companies mean, anyway? I'd better get busy and toss out all those useless programming books and certificates and awards and stuff and start practicing for my new career...

Want fries with that? Want FRIES with that? Want fries with THAT...?

;)

[OldSoldier]

36. No! No!

It's "would you like fries with that?"

[Sapphocrat]

45. Oh, my God!

I am a failure!

Hello, Social Services...?

:D

[drdigi420]

53. In Atlanta it's......

'waddayahave?'

(Varsity patrons will recognize this)

[Bandit]

55. I thought it was "Grits with that?"

:shrug:

[dawn]

41. Really?

Well, I'm out there, too, and it isn't easy. I was recently interviewed by a company that told me, excitedly, that I was the top candidate out of the 800 resumes they'd received. 799 were less-qualified?

And no, I still haven't received an offer from them. And this is the case with every employer....when they are receiving 800, 900, 1000 resumes for each position, how can anyone say the job picture is improving?

[are_we_united_yet]

51. I don't know what you said

But I'm sure you're an asshole.

[Indiana_Dem]

3. I know it makes me sick too

My husband's factory is to shut down soon and he'll be laid-off any day now. KMart and KB Toys shut shut down here in my town of 30,000, and the city next to us has a factory that just announced it's closing as well. All that will be left are minimum wage and Walmart jobs most without benefits or part-time. I can't believe how they can report this stuff with a straight face. Obviously, Lou Dobbs is lying then if these stories are true.

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[Cascadian]

8. I never said it was a conspiracy.

I know that it is a case of trickle down economics which is more or less a joke. It only benefits the wealthy and big business. Huge tax cuts do not create a better economy. Creating jobs (in America!) and economic expansion does!

John

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[OrAnarch]

9. What statistics?

I think your being misled by Neil Cavuto. Not the job market statistics. The dollar is still falling. Forclosures at record high. Macro inflation looks nasty. Average salary is dropping. Shifts in labor market to unskilled jobs. Consumer debt...well...enough said. Unemployment figures are revised upward weekly due to administration lies to boost confidence. Winter sales season is truly down in the dumps relatively. There are tons of problems I can't recall atm from top of my head. Head on over to the economics forum and check it out...turn of Fox and free your mind. BTW, I dont give a fuck about the Dow...20000 * 0 is still 0.


Also, don't bet your farm on some cooked books.

[FlemingsGhost]

10. Bill Clinton!

Now that your all hot and bothered, go play with yourself.

[JailBush]

11. Figures don't lie, but liars do figure.

Whose "statistics" are you citing? And how do they jibe with LOGIC?

In other words, how can the economy be improving when corporations are still outsourcing jobs? And is the economy really GOOD, or is it just not as bad as it was six months ago?

Even if there ARE more jobs, what kind of salaries and benefits go with them? Do they make up for the extra money we're being charged for utilities (thanks, deregulation!), corporate corruption, Microshafware and on and on?

Too many people have tunnel vision when look at the "economy." What they should be asking is, AM I BETTER OFF THAN I WAS TWO YEARS AGO, AND WHAT DOES MY FUTURE LOOK LIKE?

[Sugarbleus]

12. ?????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:wtf: :dunce: :spank:

Nope you DON'T GET IT!

[tkmorris]

20. No one said anything about a conspiracy

It's just that these people aren't stupid. The things they observe with their own eyes and ears are not what the "left-wing media" is saying is happening. So they try to determine which of these two contradictory things is wrong.

Guess what? The dollar is in virtual free-fall. Jobs are not returning at the rate they disappeared and any critical examination of this phenomenon concludes that they never will, their loss is permanent. The jobs which ARE being created are lower paid and lower skilled than the one they replace. The Christmas shopping season has not been as lucrative as was hoped from all available data.

Have a smurfy day O8)

[ClintonTyree]

30. Like many other Americans.............

you've suspended your disbelief and have swallowed the "pundits" assertion that all is rosy and gosh diddley darn it, just swell! You're obviously ill informed, but with a corporate media that echos everything the Bush administration tells them without any semblance of investigative journalism it isn't entirely your fault.
My suggestion would be to do a little investigation on your own and stop swallowing the media's kool-aid.

[Sapphocrat]

34. More than happy to oblige

Please find something else to call Bush a liar about.

It will be my pleasure:

Major combat operations in Iraq ended May 1, 2003. There are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq... and if we haven't found them yet, we will... and if we don't find them, then Saddam must have destroyed them... or sent them to Syria. Iraq was trying to buy uranium from Niger. Nobody knows who outed deep-cover agent Valerie Plame. Iraq has mobile-weapons labs. Iraq has drone planes that can reach the U.S. ... or at least they could hit Europe... or maybe Israel. Iraq is capable of launching a WMD within 45 minutes. ...or maybe six months. ...or maybe a year. ...or maybe five years. Iraq has "38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, 25,000 liters of anthrax and 500 tons of sarin, mustard gas and VX nerve agent." Iraq expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998. Saddam's palaces were off-limits to U.N. weapons inspectors. Iraq and al-Qaeda were behind 9/11. Mohammed Atta met with al-Qaeda in Prague. Ramzi Yousef was an Iraqi intelligence agent. There were not multiple warnings of exactly what was going to happen within a full year of 9/11. Iraq is not a Vietnam-like quagmire. The Iraqi people welcome us as liberators. All the insurgents are just Saddam loyalists. Killing Uday and Qusay will quell the insurgency. The Iraqi people are better off now. The Afghans are better off now, too. The Taliban no longer rules Afghanistan. This is not a war on Islam. This is not a war for oil. Overthrowing Saddam Hussein has made America a safer place. No, wait -- capturing Saddam Huseein has made America a safe place. Halliburton got that Iraq contract fair and square. Rick Santorum is a tolerant and accepting human being. There is no such thing as global warming. Opening national forests to commercial logging interests, and national monuments to oil and gas exploration, is actually good for the environment.

Shall we get into Georgie Boy's lies about his wartime desertion, his "fighter pilot" status, his cocaine use, his DUI arrests, his brand-spanking-new driver's license, his close, personal friendship with Ken Lay...

You just tell me when to stop. I could go on all night with this stuff. I mean, ALL night.

[Wapsie B]

5. You need to remember that konservatives

believe that if you're poor or down on your luck in this country it's your own damn fault. No complex explanations needed.

I do hope you can find work soon.

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[Cascadian]

14. Baloney!

That is another Republican myth. It really went downhill in January 01 and I believe that is when Bush officially took office.


John

[OrAnarch]

15. Really?

What about 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11?!?!?

TERRORISM!!! WAR AGAINST THE EVIL DOERS!!!!

OH MY!

Conservatives have more than 1 excuse (Clinton!!!). But there will only be 1 Trifecta!

[Cascadian]

17. The downturn excellerated on 9/11/01.

Ironically, the terrorist attacks may have been the best thing that could have happened to Bush. Otherwise, his approval ratings would have been below 20%. That also makes me wonder just how much Bush and Co. knew about the coming terrorist attacks but that's another topic for another day.

John

[OrAnarch]

21. According to what?!?

Not the trends in the graphs I have seen regarding unemployment and growth. 9/11 was a variable, no doubt, perhaps effecting consumer confidence, but many curves remained unchanged towards the bottom at the same rate. Let me know what statistics you disagree with me on that. I welcome all graph posting as its been a while since I took a look. Remember, wasn't November 2001 the end of the recession (couldn't have "ended" if everything accelerated). :)

Trifecta!


But really..Im floored...this guy blamed it on Clinton before 9/11. Neil Cavuto can be creative, but him and his network still sucks.

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[FlemingsGhost]

16. I knew it! That wasn't long...

Get a picture of Bill, (masturbate) and get it over with already.

[KeepItReal]

19. That slide started when Bush & Co started talking down the economy

The dotcom bubble bursting had an effect, but not nearly as much as Bush gettin on the campaign trail and badmouthing the economy.

When he got the Oval Office handed to him, corporations stopped spending and basically pushed the reset button (cutting jobs and benefits etc.). Now he's trying to talk the economy back up. Not as easy a feat, but the corporations are starting to come back on line with spending again in '04. Bush & Co. basically gave companies a green light to get leaner and meaner - literally - with no govt. intervention on their slash and burn employment practices in the face of record profits.

[tritsofme]

47. New BLS numbers say there was contraction in Q3 2000.

And the rest of 2000 was nothing to write mom home about.

The economy was near the end of the cycle, and I still contend that no matter who was president, the 2001 recession unavoidable.

The real question is how Al Gore would have reacted to the recession, I'll tell you this much, it wouldnt have been reckless give-aways to the uber-rich. We could invested in our infastructure and other more responsible methods of helping the economy. We could have responsibly used the surplus as a rainy day fund during the recession, and maybe even incurred a small cyclical defict that would be gone by now.

I dont blame Clinton or Bush for the recession, and I dont give Bush credit for the turn of the cycle. The business cycle is constant and what goes up must come down.

If I were to lay blame to anyone it would old Greenie and his friends at the fed, for the moment they sniffed inflation they jacked up interest rates and really put a damper on the economy.

[drscm]

23. Let me guess, Indy77....

a) You are one of those who make in excess of $350,000 a year that has benefited by *Bush's tax cuts, or

b) you are one of those who believe that Rush Limbaugh deserves the huge tax break he is receiving because he preaches all that "self-reliance" crap and "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" crap and you hope to be just like him some day.

Perhaps some day you'll be lucky enough to find a sugar daddy just like Rush has who will pay you to fellate repugs. In the interim, enjoy blissfull ignorance.

[are_we_united_yet]

38. Yeah

It sucked when Clinton was in office. I had too many jobs to choose from.

It really sucked.

[Indiana_Dem]

18. Yeah I know....

I heard several people in my town bad mouthing my husband's union because they wouldn't support a proposal by the company to lose a year's health insurance if they were laid-off. The company broke the contract in the middle of a 5-year contract to expire in 2005 and gave them the ultimatum. The union voted against giving it up because they saw the writing on the wall because the company had been moving equipment out for a year prior. The company was just going to try to save itself some money before they closed and moved out of the country. So even though he is losing his job at least we will have a year's worth of insurance until he can find another job.

Another thing some ppl were saying is that the ppl wouldn't be in the place they're in if they would've gone to get an education. Well, my huband is 56 years old and when he returned from Vietnam in 1970, education wasn't a necessity like it is now. You could go to work in a factory and make megabucks. So he went to work in a meat-packing plant for 23 years until that closed down--3 years short of retiring at 48--so no retirement there. Then he landed this injection molding plant for the next 9 years until now and it's closing. Now he is 56 with no skills and 9 months short of being able to retire from this factory. Thank God i became a nurse because at least i have some job security. I don't think it was his fault at the time in 1970 when he chose to work in the meat-packing industry. He thought---well everyone has to eat--it seems pretty secure. Now he could just shoot himself and is in deep depression. So it really angers me how hard he has worked and gotten nowwhere. Then people have the odasity to criticize older people for not getting an education???

[Habibi]

35. I feel for you and your husband, Holyrollerdem

I really do. I retrained at 40 for IT work, which was great for a few years, now that's gone to hell (or India), and I'm looking around for something else to retrain in (at 46). Health care is still a growth field--has your husband considered that? I've seen a bunch of middle-aged men getting into nursing or physical therapy assisting or whatnot. No, he won't make the money he did in his previous job, but it's work, and often pretty decent work.

The nice thing about you being a nurse is that you can relocate pretty much anywhere and be assured of finding work--maybe you guys could look around for a city in better economic shape than the one you're in.

I know, it all sucks. I've been unemployed for a year and I'm really fighting off depression, too. Good luck! Know that you're not alone!

[JailBush]

27. Clinton was indeed a problem, BUT...

(I posted this reply in the wrong sequence.)

Indy 77 wrote, "Everybody has problems. I'm sure your's is crappy, but I'd venture to say it's not the worst out there. Stop blaming others for it. It gets you nowhere. People could just as easily blame the previous administration for starting this economic disaster. Don't forget, it was on a downhill slide before Clinton left office."

PuhLEEZ! You're absolutely right when you say the economy was going downhill under Clinton, as was public education and everything else in this country.

But the decline was greatly accelerated by George W. Bush. If you think of the economy as a flesh wound, Clinton didn't bandage it, but the Republicans have been pouring salt on it. For crying out loud, how many billions of dollars have these thugs lost or stolen? What happened to our NATIONAL BUDGET SURPLUS?

Saying that blaming others gets us nowhere is ridiculous. Problems don't fall out of the sky; they're caused by PEOPLE, people with names. One of the reasons this country is so screwed up is that people are so reluctant to blow the whistle on corrupt elements.

[Yupster]

33. My theory is

that consumer confidence pretty much goes in line with people opening their 401(k) statements. When people have been looking at theirs the last few months and seeing really significant gains, they're going to think things are getting better.

Of course I'm a stock broker, and I look at everything through 401 (k) statements.

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[wanderingbear]

42. The Republican Economy is a lie..

Something the Whitehose spin doctors made up to make Bush look good.. Ofcouse the economy is going down the tubes..

[Beetwasher]

43. Let's Face it, Propoganda IS Effective

For the short term at least...

[wanderingbear]

44. Or the long term if you control the Media..

Like with FCC regulations.

[rucky]

46. It's just the Christmas season

People are more optimistic. Just wait til' the credit card bill comes in.

[arewethereyet]

50. you DID expect this didn't you ?

I mean there is no surprize to it.

[Selwynn]

52. The economy is doing better where I'm at ...

We are hiring again, our company is posting more positions, unemployment is dropping locally. Things are on the upswing.

That doesn't mean I approve of bush's handling of the enconomy since he got us into this mess in the first place, but it is getting better here.

[Yupster]

54. How long have you been out of work Cascadian?

Everyone's out of work sometime in their life. I'm sure it's very stressfull, especially at the holiday season, but it happens to everyone.

I remember it was stressfull to me last time I needed a job.

The good news though is that you only need one job. Therefore, it only takes one phone call or one interview, and all the stress and worry is immediately wiped out. It's a funny thing how I went from incredible stress to no stress (or at least different stress)in a day.

Anyway, good luck. As long as you keep looking you'll have something turn up. I wouldn't really reevaluate for at least 3-4 months.

If after that time you don't have anything, I'd start looking for different types of jobs. I've been a newspaper reporter, a high school and college teacher, and am now a stockbroker. (I'm now trying to quit so I can jump companies). Don't be afraid to change occupations because some jobs that were lost just plain aren't coming back, or not in appreciable numbers anyway.

You're probably already doing all the stuff I offered, so let me just offer my best wishes or you and your family.