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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:36 PM
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Ditech commercial antisemitic?
First of all, I'm not making this assertion, I'm just asking if I'm the only one in the world who has wondered about this. I'm willing to admit that maybe the fact that I've thought about this says more about me than it does about Ditech.

But here it is...

Ditech is some kind of bank, and they have a series of commercials featuring a character representing all bankers competing with them. This character is a banker trying to sell the loan, and each ad ends with the frustrated banker saying "I just lost another loan to Ditech."

Now this character, first of all, he looks pretty funny. But in addition to looking funny, he also looks very Jewish, to me anyway.

So I'm wondering, am I the only one that thinks it's fair to ask, is Ditech's subtext the message "Don't give your business to the Shylock, give it to us."?
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Alex146 Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:39 PM
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1. I don't think so...
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:39 PM
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2. It hasn't occurred to me. As to whether the fellow is Jewish, I can't say
haven't seen his pecker.
:evilgrin:
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:43 PM
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4. that's another thing I wasn't sure about
I don't know if my Jew-dar is any good. :-)
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 09:00 PM
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14. I think you
should not use the term "Jew-dar" anymore. Many people might find that offensive, even if you don't mean anything by it.
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 09:06 PM
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16. I just called Leon, a Jew who has been one of my 2 or 3 closest friends
since 1949 and asked him about this. He thinks it's hilarious. And doesn't think it's offensive.
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 09:11 PM
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18. I'm Jewish
and I found it pretty funny, as my gay friends have been saying "gaydar" to me for years.
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 09:13 PM
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19. heehee, exactly! Happy Hannakuh.......(sp?)
:D
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 09:17 PM
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20. phew!
thanks, both of you. Offending anyone is the last thing I wanted, with that word or with this discussion.

Anyway, it looks like I'm WAY off with this whole thing. :-)
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 09:21 PM
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22. Thanks!
:toast:
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 09:18 PM
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21. I am relieved to know
there are so many people out there with a sense of humor!
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jjmalonejr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:40 PM
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3. Nah.
The character at the bank is just a caricature. I don't see any antisemitism there.

It might be bashing Dean, though. I'm not sure.

(that's a joke, please don't flame me!)
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:45 PM
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5. I didn't get the impression it was anti-semitic (nt)
nt
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:48 PM
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6. The thought never crossed my mind
eom
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:49 PM
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7. No way
Maybe you're being overly sensitive?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:50 PM
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8. He doesn't look Jewish to me.
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 08:37 AM
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36. What does a Jewish person look like? n/t
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Devlzown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:50 PM
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9. I don't know if it's antisemitic or not --
I've never known too many Jewish people, so I don't have a basis for comparison. However, that commercial has got to be one of the most annoying on television. Are there that many people shopping for loans? It seems like every other commercial is a freakin Dietech commercial!
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:54 PM
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11. maybe that's it
mabye I just want it to stop so bad, my unconscious has caused me to create this ridiculous thought. :-)
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:52 PM
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10. Never occurred to me...
... I just thought the guy was a schlemozzle. :-)
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Runesong Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:54 PM
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12. Perhaps
Edited on Mon Dec-22-03 08:56 PM by Runesong
the commercial is just goofily portraying a conventional lender's dismay at losing business to an internet lender?

I honestly do not know what a Jew looks like. The Jews I know are just everyday people, ordinarily indistinguishable from catholics, atheists, jehova witness, scientologists, methodists, etc.. Why does that guy 'look like a jew' to you?

Weird.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 09:05 PM
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15. that's a very good question
and I simply can't answer it. But the fact is that some people look Jewish to me.

The guy's name is Ron Michaelson, by the way, so maybe this commercial is really anti-Swede, or whatever Michaelson is.

Here's an interview with Michaelson, it doesn't get around to his ethnicity.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0206/20/ltm.13.html

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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:57 PM
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13. Some pretty deep thought there
So I guess folks who look Jewish shouldnt be allowed to be actors?

I think you are over interpeting
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 09:10 PM
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17. That's something, isn't it?
I was just busy being amazed that this conversation is taking place so thoughtfully (speaking of possibly being a reflection of me :) ).

Never crossed my mind, either. I expect there may be a little of that in the plan (marketers being marketers), but my guess would be he's more an amalgam of "the man", e.g. those guys at the bank who are always tryin' to getcha.
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 09:22 PM
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23. What makes one look jewish?
I mean I have jewisuh friends and noen fo them look any different then any other white person. One jewish guy I knew was frequently mistaken for italian.

I mean, short of being orthadox, what physical attributes makes one look jewish?
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 09:39 PM
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24. I actually don't know
probably fits in with some image in my head.

I get mistaken for Jewish pretty often, and I'm not Jewish at all, I'm half Puerto Rican/half Irish. I assume people are going by my hair or by my skin color, I really don't know.

I don't look aything like the Ditech guy, btw. :-)
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 08:48 AM
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38. maybe he reminds you a little of Newman on Jerry Seinfeld reruns?
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 09:51 PM
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25. It seems to me
you are reaching a bit. Having said that however, it would be foolish to think (on my part) that anti-semitism does not exist. Among other things.
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 09:59 PM
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26. that ad could backfire ....
I'm starting to feel sorry for that poor guy and getting to like him. I don't need a loan but every time I see that commercial, it occurs to me that if I did need a loan I might go look him up, instead of doing business with that dastardly ditech.com.
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 11:12 PM
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30. What do you mean "could" backfire?
It's one of the most annoying series of commercials on TV right now. I don't know if it's bigoted, but they are so annoying that I'll go along and claim it is if it will get those commercials off my TV.
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 10:09 PM
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27. I don't think he looks jewish. I think he looks like Jerry Falwell...n/t
:)
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 10:47 PM
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28. "Ned" is a Jewish name?
If he looks Jewish, then Jerry Foul-Well (as pointed out already) is Jewish.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 11:03 PM
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29. Oh no, if you don't like someone
you're supposed to say they're gay.
(sarcasm off)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 11:40 PM
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31. What? No.
I never thought about it that way, and I actually LIKE the much-maligned Ditech guy.
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nhtfopo Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 12:08 AM
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32. First off, what is looking Jewish
That is stereotyping right there, and it's a stereotype that doesn't make sense. No one "looks Jewish" unless they're wearing a yamika or something. The guy's not holding a manora in the commercials.

Secondly, is there ANYONE who can be portrayed in that position that you wouldn't think it was some kind of racism? I mean if it was a black guy losing the loans, you'd obviously be screaming racism. Same with Arabs, Indians, anything really. Unless it was a blonde haired blue eyed white guy. then I'm sure you wouldn't be looking for hidden racism in the commercial against white people.

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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 08:39 AM
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37. You are right, but...
Are you suggesting that Jews can't be blonde and blue-eyed? More stereotyping.
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Isere Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 09:15 AM
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40. The Eternal Jew
Stereotyping of Jews is an age-old phenomena, "perfected" by the Nazis. I haven't paid attention to the Ditech commercial because it is so irritating so I don't know if there are stereotypes in play. Here are a few links for the edification of posters who question the concept:


http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Histories__Narratives__Documen/Visualizing_Otherness_Set_1/Visualizing_Otherness_Set_4/visualizing_otherness_set_4.html

http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtml

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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 12:42 AM
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33. I always thought he was pretty WASPish
never thought about him being Jewish

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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 07:48 AM
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34. He looks Jewish? That's the most idiotic thing I've heard today
That's saying a lot.
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DuluthDawg1 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 08:57 AM
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39. Amen...that was just ignorant (nt)
nt
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 07:54 AM
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35. Those Ditech commercials are
just plain annoying. They remind me of the Enron "why, why, why" commercials. On all the time on all channels.
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