People who belieive in LIHOP (or LIH): did GOP want Arnold as gov...

[AP]

...because rogue elements of the GOP have a plan for an attack in CA.

I'm watching Arnold do his thing after the earthquake, and I'm thinking about how 9/11 helped certain NY Republicans, and I'm wondering if there's a connection between, perhaps, an LA or SF terror attack and the desire to have Arnold take a high profile in the aftermath in order to serve Republican long-term political interests.

I'm not necessarily a LIHOPer, but if I were, I'd definitely be wondering about the randomness of this piece of the puzzle.

[tom_paine]

1. Ultimate tinfoil...scary...

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

And while I recognize that it is dangerous to buy into that so wholly, the endless string of "Lucky Trifectas" the Busheviks have enjoyed certainly does make one wonder. And CA, being a blue state, would be their logical next choice. In fact, whether the Busheviks or al-Qaeda are behind it, for the same reason. Both hate the citizens of those places for their overall lefty views.

Now mind you this is a bit of a stretch, and suppositions can be arranged conveniently.

I'd like to discount it totally, but my naivete for that certainty is long gone. The machinery of Liberty that defended us during McCarthyism and Watergate has rusted, atrophied, and hung with carnivalesque decorations.

Look out, Kallie-fornia and New York, for both your Empire and your Empire's enemies hat you...

[YNGW]

2. And a follow-up question.

Did BushCo plan and carry out the earthquake?

As a keen observer of the LIHOP/MIHOP "Bush knew" crowd, on their behalf, I can say with confidence, YES!!

[Timefortruth]

13. What Bush did was to ignore all warnings and delay protection

of the public once the attack started. Why he allowed the attack to continue is anyone's guess, it says that at very, very best he doesn't give a shit about the public.

You are a very trusting sort so you believe him, that's fine. If you need to buy some realestate I've got a deal for you. Trust me too, please.

[YNGW]

15. I don't buy a car without kicking the tires,...

...looking under the hood and giving it a test ride.

I'm still waiting for the indisputable documented evidence to arrive regarding these 9/11 CT's. I don't believe I'm asking for too much.

[Minstrel Boy]

14. I know you'll think he's a crazy tinfoiler for saying it...

but in 1997 William Cohen, then-Secretary of Defense, warned of countries "engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=957169

Once more, in case you missed it: that was US Secretary of Defense William Cohen.

[YNGW]

16. That's nice.

It's one thing to be "devising" a plan to do so, it's another thing to actually pull it off, and it's another thing to prove a particular government or administration would be willing to kill it's own citizens for political or monetary gain. I'm not saying it's not possible for people to do such things or to desire such things. The human animal is capable of any number of atrocities for personal gain. But, I've read these supposed "evidences" and "theories" on hundreds of websites (and many of them state the same thing as the others), and find them all to be without merit. Yet, you have people who will promote it as though it were written in stone, that it is the absolute unquestionable truth. But their only "evidence" are all these "connect-the-unrelated-dots" theories and circumstances.

What it boils down to is there are a sizable amount of those who believe such who view themselves as intellectually superior to everyone else, that they "see" things the rest of us either refuse to see or are not intelligent enough to see. But, they're the one's who choose to believe something based upon "evidence" and "circumstances" that would not stand up in court.

I don't mind people asking questions, but there's a way to go about it where you don't make our party look like we've got a bunch of tin-foil hatters on board steering the ship. And yes, these type of undocumented "truths" can and will be used against us in the court of public opinion. In other words, shouting out "Bush Knew" hoping to cause some type of uprising among the people based upon the "evidences" these people claim to have, is a sure fire way of getting clobbered in 2004.

[Cleita]

3. No one can let an earthquake happen, but

I can't help but think that the grandstanding Arnold did today will help him short term. In the long run though it will be what he can deliver. Since SLO county is very red, he no doubt got a nice welcome. What does or doesn't happen in the next year to get the damages taken care of, though, I think will have a lasting effect. Of course I hope we have him recalled and a new Democratic Governor installed by then.

[bpilgrim]

4. the neoCONs want ICONS

that will do what they are told and not question their actions for the sake of winning and preserving the status quo of the rich getting richer.

folks who are full of them selves but actually mediocte know-nothings are the IDEAL canidates, of course the mass appeal/fame is a powerful ingrediant as well.

peace

[bpilgrim]

5. though most paleoconservatives opposed him

they actually thought he was too liberal on too many core issues :crazy:

from my armchair he looks like the prototypical authoritarian :scared:

'RADICAL' is the meme that we need to reinforce and spread about these fools at the helm before they actually start droppin MINI nukes somewhere or folks think they need to start dropp'n them on us.



peace

[maggrwaggr]

6. Jeb Bush said San Franciscans are an "endangered species"

don't forget.

[YNGW]

7. Uhhhh...

That was in reference to an environmental land map. Let's not get carried away. There's plenty of CT's to go around without the need to invent some new ones. Well, not yet anyway.

[Must_B_Free]

12. how so?

can you better explain the context of the statement? thanks

[kalian]

8. Hmmm....good point....

[MoonRiver]

9. I really, REALLY, don't want to go there.

This concept is just too scary. :scared:

[Virgil]

10. Greg Palast says it was to save $9 billion

I believe in LIHOP. How could you not when they stood down for 80 minutes once the plane went off course AND the black boxes got cut off.

Arnold was contacted by Ken Lay before any recall. I believe Greg Palast in this article saying replacing Davis was about ending the lawsuit to recover $9 billion in excess charges that are all highly documented. Greg Palast is the best journalist out there. He is even ahead of Bill Moyers. Here is the link- http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=282&row=2

[ParticipatoryDem]

11. Maybe they used a new nuke bunker buster to create the quake

All in the name of MIHOP ya know...

[K-W]

17. The prize isnt big enough

Keeping arnold as CA governor isnt worth the risk of getting caught LIHOP or anything else. Though if they thought they needed another attack to prop up Bush, they certainly wouldnt mind getting arnold some good press too.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

18. It's beginning to look that way to this NON TIN FOIL hatter

add Bratton, LA Chief of Police and Guiliani protege to the mox and you have a perfect storm.

[number6]

19. an opportunists moment for kally-fornia Gropenater Swarzenegger

9/11 LIHOP - California an opportunistic moment...
..............they saw it and took advantage of it.

[seventhson]

20. FOR YNGW: Definitive LIHOP/Bush Knew Smoking Gun Evidence

Hatfield wrote this two weeks before he was, errr, "suicided".

He wrote the Dubya Bush biography "Fortunate Son".

After he wrote this article on Osama flying jets laden with explosives (jet fuel?) into American targets with recruited NeoNazis he was dead within 15 days.

He wrote this and was dead and buried (or cremated) TWO MONTHS before September 11, 2001 (this was published on July 3, 2001.

He wrote that he believed the Bush CIA was planting a story of how Osama was going to fly planes into American targets in a "James Bond-like aerial attack" to boost Bush's sagging poll numbers.

You read this and decide. This is a man who had poissed off the Bush White House and the BFEE no end to the point where they got his publisher to pull the plug on his biography. They were watching him (and IMHO killed him).

But go ahead an read this folks and tell me is there any way on this great blue earth that Bush did NOT know that SOMEONE was planning to fly planes into American targets under the flag of Osama. Hatfield's sources are German and other European intelligence services. If Hatfield knew what in the fuck did BUSH know? I think he knew it all.

But if you have not read this then you do not have all the facts.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html

I just sent this article to Henry Waxman, whom I know.

It should be required reading for anyone who gives a shit about America.

[xchrom]

21. i believe osama and bush use each other

and i certainly believe bush knew about 9-11.
and i absolutely believe bush is manipultiang these terror alerts -- so absolutely the orange alert can be used to prop up ahnold -- nothing far fetched there.

[slater71]

22. If they change the constitution.....

Then they run Arnold for president.

[Pax Argent]

23. I believe two things

1.) We don't know the truth.
2.) Bush & Company have a proven history of mendacity and "convenient disasters" that are mined unmercifully for political gain.

The first convenient disaster was the "energy crisis" way back in 2001. It conveniently propped up the finances of Enron and the other energy robber barons who contributed heavily to Bush while the Bush Administration sat back and shrugged, claiming that the shortage was due to "market forces". Apparently fraud and price gouging are now market forces, but I digress.

The next convenient disaster was 9-11. Public sentiment towards Bush had been getting ugly prior to 9-11, and then all of a sudden, boom, the unspeakable occurs, demanding that we all rally around our current leader, G-Dubya. 9-11 enables the administration to, in order; 1.) sack Afghanistan which enables the oil companies to build the oil pipeline that they had been lobbying with the US Gov't for since 1998, 2.) enact the Patriot Act, which curtails personal freedoms in the name of security, 3.) sack Iraq, which enables a whole raft-load of corporate and PNAC related goals and objectives. Additional sauce for this goose was the Neocon controlled elements of the media given the ability to squelch dissent in the name of patriotism.

There have been other situations during and since that have taken embarassing headlines off the front pages, and there was also the convenient timing of the forest fires in California on the eve of the vote for the "friendly forest" initiative that has since been voted in. A shame that Governor Davis' request for emergency funding for forest thinning from FEMA had been denied shortly before the fires, but Arnold sure looked heroic going to speak with the firefighters.

Again, I don't know anything, but Clearchannels unrelenting support of the Gropinator coupled with the common ties to Enron and other Repug institutions lead me to believe that Arnie is their boy. After that, draw your own conclusions.

[RBHam]

24. I already predicted it...

A Winter Of Discontent

http://rbham.com/articles/031206%20-%20a%20winter%20of%20discontent.htm