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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:19 AM
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BBV and some thoughts from dinner last night
Edited on Thu Dec-25-03 11:27 AM by gristy
Here's a very well written article on BBV (excerpt below). On another note, I had Christmas eve dinner last night with family and a couple who have been family friends forever (they are both in their 70's). Betty is very, very concerned about what will happen to our country if * wins next fall. Len is very concerned about the electronic voting. My brother's son said that he doesn't particularly like *, but if he's not happy with the dem candidate, he just won't vote. I said if he didn't vote, he would be giving * 1/2 a vote. This didn't phase him. If Democrats do nothing else in the next 3 months, we do need to find the candidate who has the best chance of beating Bush. This is admittedly very hard to do, but if we could do it, and that person turned out to be Lieberman, that's who I'd vote for. But of course, it is simply impossible to find the candidate who will do best next fall. You can poll 'till you're blue in the face. It is just unknowable. I am very concerned about the future of our country and our planet :(

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/dec2003/vote-d24.shtml

US voting machines: Will 2004 elections be electronically rigged?
By Alex Lefebvre
24 December 2003

Recent revelations about US voting machinery companies and their products raise serious questions about the integrity of the electoral process in the US, as well as in other countries. These companies, which have intimate ties to the US right wing, operate with no real outside supervision. According to information that has emerged, their products' safety designs are so poor that they offer many opportunities to rig elections, especially for well-connected insiders.
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Voters who cast their ballots using any of a number of electronic voting systems have no way to check that their votes have been properly recorded. A New York election commissioner, Douglas Kellner, said: "Using electronic voting machines to count ballots is akin to taking all the paper ballots and handing them over to a couple of computer tech people to count them in a secret room, and then tell us how it came out. This is not an acceptable way of conducting elections in a democracy."

The democratic qualifications of the pre-DRE voting in the US should not be overstated. There have been numerous cases of elections rigged via manipulation of other voting machinery systems, or by altogether different means. However, the scope of unverifiability and the centralized, secretive nature of the tallying process create the conditions for an unprecedented attack on the public's democratic right to have its vote counted.
<more>


on edit: fixed some punctuation
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:34 AM
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1. This is what REALLY scares me most about the election
We could have the best candidate in the world and he (sorry, Carol), may look all set to win, then BBV results come out and there's some inexplicable swing to * in a few swing states that were looking to go Democratic.

And the media still isn't covering this threat to democracy, except for Bill Moyers.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:46 AM
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2. well that is their plan so I have mine...
work like hell to get the paper ballot. If that fails and dimbulb is re-selected my family and I are out of here.
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 12:03 PM
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3. the mass exodus would soon begin
Yes, if dimwit gets back in, it will be time to leave.
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 12:26 PM
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4. C'mon, are you seriously considering leaving the US?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 02:28 PM
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5. if the dipshit in chief is reselected??
Hell yes! What sort of a future is there here for my two sons in this country. The draft will be here in 2005. I am not a rich repuplican that pay my boys' way out, or use my connections to get them out of the draft.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 05:36 PM
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7. I am too, probably leave before the selection and vote absentee
or vote early
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 04:08 PM
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6. Moyers?
When did Moyers finally jump in?
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 06:49 PM
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8. I sent email to him.
Tried calling...but he was not home.

Perhaps he got the message.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 12:26 PM
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9. It Would Be News If He Was
May be time to pepper Moyers with requests to get on this story.

Or does Moyers have a line he won't cross?
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