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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 01:45 PM
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Shhh...US Army War College/CIA Intel: Iran Gassed Kurds, Not Iraq
Edited on Thu Dec-25-03 02:08 PM by TruthIsAll
The US Army War College (USAWC) undertook a study of the use of chemical weapons by Iran and Iraq and concluded there was no proof Saddam did it...

No gassing.
No WMD.
No imminent threat.
No Iraqi love for US "liberators".

Lots of deaths.
Lots of oil.
Lots of reconstruction.

UK Indymedia | Iran gassed the Kurds in halabja not Iraq!
... Iran gassed the Kurds in halabja not Iraq! Harlequin, 11.02.2003 09:55. One of the biggest pieces of propaganda against Iraq is the ...
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/02/53210.html

UK Indymedia | UK Newswire Archive
... This event took place during the Iran / Iraq war though ... After the Kurds were gassed an investigation into the ... war college who concluded that the gassing was an ...
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/newswire/archive759.html

US Suppressed Gas Charge Report
Report Suppressed: Iran Gassed Kurds, Not Iraq. Soar Home. ... Halabjah and the Kurds had returned. Iran gassed the Kurds by accident]. ...
www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/GaseousLies.htm

IRAN GASSED THE KURDS -- NOT IRAQ
RAN - NOT IRAQ - "GASSED" THE KURDS. "Having looked at all of the evidence that was available to us, we find ...
www.u-r-next.com/kurds.html

US Army War College: NO PROOF SADDAM GASSED THE KURDS!
... hard evidence most frequently brought up concerns the gassing of Iraqi Kurds at the town of Halabja in March 1988, near the end of the eight-year Iran-Iraq war ...
www.whatreallyhappened.com/helms.html

WhatReallyHappened.com: HIDDEN HISTORYArchives
... the mainstream media is flogging the tired old claim that Saddam gassed the Kurds. ... examination of the bodies revealed that they died of a gas Iran had, but ...
www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_hidden_history.html

Was it Iran rather than Iraq that gassed the Kurds? : sf-imc
View article without comments Was it Iran rather than Iraq that gassed the Kurds? by Isabel Monday April 21, 2003 at 01:02 PM. The ...
www.indybay.org/news/2003/04/1602606_comment.php

Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG)
... occupying Iraqi forces. But the Iraqis had already vacated Halabjah and the Kurds had returned. Iran gassed the Kurds by accident]. ...
www.globalresearch.ca/articles/THO209A.html

National and International Topics
... New! 03/03/03. Former CIA expert on Iraq says Iran gassed the Kurds; Iraqi Oil AND WATER are Bush's reasons for war, New! 02/18/03. ...
http://quixote-quest.org/resources/national_international/IraqGasKurds_OilH2O_013103.html

- On Line Opinion 15/9/02
... Iraqi forces. But the Iraqis had already vacated Halabjah and the
Kurds had returned. Iran gassed the Kurds by accident. In March ...
www.onlineopinion.com.au/2002/sep02/Thomas.htm


US Suppressed Gas Charge Report
... Iran gassed the Kurds by accident] In March 1991 as the massive US-led attack on Iraq ended, I was visiting the USAWC to give a lecture on South Asian security ...
www.mail-archive.com/marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu/msg02971.html

Saddam's 'Gassing The Kurds' Used As Pretext For Invading Iraq
... and/or in 1988, in the midst of his long and ferocious war with Iran. ... lawful combatants." The official story is that Hussein simply gassed the Kurds in a ...
www.rense.com/general25/sadamsgassing.htm

AlterNet: War on Iraq: News Log: Who Gassed the Kurds?
... As Pelletiere points out, all we really know is that the Kurds were gassed to death towards the end of the Iran-Iraq war. But it ...
www.alternet.org/waroniraq/2003/02/000294.html

The Gassing of the Kurds - Halabja revisited
... visit to the US Army War College in early March 1991, I recall discussing their report on the Iran-Iraq War and the Halabja gassing of the Kurds with Professor ...
britons4peace.org.uk/articles/raju2.html

Gassing His Own People? by Barbara O'Brien - Democratic ...
... Pelletier wants to assume that, because American intelligence circulated information that Iran, not Iraq, had gassed the Kurds, then Iran gassed the Kurds. ...
www.democraticunderground.com/articles/03/02/08_gassing.html

From the Wasteland :: :: 2003
... Kurds". A report from the US Army War College at the end of the Iran/Iraq war suggests that it was Iran that gassed the Kurds. Remember ...
www.kilgore-systems.com/x/runciter/index.php?m=2003&w=9

Memo, 11-18-98, Did Saddam Hussein Gas His Own People?
... As soon as the war with Iran ended, Iraq announced ... Iraqi government denied that any such gassing had occurred ... Baghdad as a violator of the Kurds’ human rights ...
www.polyconomics.com/searchbase/11-18-98.html

A different view of the gassing of the Kurds
... Subsequently, US officials stated that there was evidence that Iran, too, had used ... But the evidence that Iraq purposely gassed Kurds is flimsy, according to ...
www.greenleft.org.au/back/1991/12/12p10b.htm

The Little Black Star Episode #23
... But according to the United States Defense Intelligence Agency, Iran gassed the Kurds, not Iraq. They reported this in 1988, after the gassing. ...
www.littleblackstar.com/pages/episodes/23.html

Iraq | A War Crime or an Act of War?
... there was no evidence that it was the Iraqis who gassed the Kurds. In fact, Iraq was not believed to have cyanide gas, whereas, it was known that Iran did. ...
www.sweetliberty.org/issues/war/iraq/kurds.htm

Welcome to uExpress featuring Ted Rall -- The Best Advice and ...
... You're our strategic bulwark against Iran. ... The Americans knew that I was gassing those Shiite Iranians like ... AC: You gassed 5,000 Kurds at the town of Halabja ...
www.uexpress.com/tedrall/

Saddam Hussein is a War Criminal
... former CIA senior political analyst on Iraq throughout the Iran-Iraq War ... the very crimes they are looking into, like the supposed gassing of the Kurds in 1988 ...
www.cooperativeresearch.org/wot/iraq/saddamisawarcriminal.html

UK Indymedia | UK Newswire Archive
... Fairford anti-war action. Protester faces charges Read more >>. 11-02-2003 08:55 | 1 comment(s). Iran gassed the Kurds in halabja not Iraq! ...
https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/newswire/archive759.html

WHAT WOULD THE US DO WITHOUT SADDAM?
... London encouraged Saddam to invade Iran, producing an ... against Iranians, and later, against rebellious Kurds. ... barbarity - because those being gassed or poisoned ...
www.mideastfacts.com/wht_us_do_wo_sdm.html

Pulse of the Twin Cities - Locally Grown Alternative Newspaper
... from Halabjah and the Kurds had returned. 4. Iran gassed the Kurds at Halabjah by accident. This USAWC study was released in the ...
www.pulsetc.com/article.php?op=Print&sid=325

America Held Hostile.com's Editorials Page
... the Central Intelligence Agency's senior political analyst on Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, has revealed it may have been Iran that gassed the Kurds. ...
www.americaheldhostile.com/ed041903-1.shtml

YOU MEAN SADDAM DIDN'T GAS HIS OWN PEOPLE?
... The major gassing incident occurred in March 1988 at a town ... all we know for certain is that Kurds were bombarded ... This occurred near the end of the Iraq-Iran war ...
www.uscrusade.com/forum/config.pl/noframes/read/1111

Problems with the Bush administration's condemnation of Iraq's ...
... This much about the gassing at Halabja we undoubtedly ... The condition of the dead Kurds' bodies, however, indicated ... a cyanide-based gas -- which Iran was known ...
www.eroj.org/Bagdad/Halabja.htm


americas' bs detector: ted rall
... He says yes, Kurds were gassed during one battle between ... Kurds...The condition of the dead Kurds' bodies however ... is, a cyanide-based gas--which Iran was known ...
www.agitproperties.com/tedrall.html


9/11 and October Surprise scandal - "Operation Ringwind"
... Indeed, subsequently State Department officials indicated that both sides--Iraq and Iran--were responsible perhaps for the gassing of civilian Kurds. ...
www.apfn.net/messageboard/9-12-03/discussion.cgi.40.html


The Halabja massacre was indeed a terrible act. However, there is evidence that it was actually Iran, not Iraq that gassed the Kurds at Halabja in March 1988. ...
www.patrickruffini.com/rants/001134.php


News you may have missed in 2003
... about frequent statements that Saddam Hussein gassed 5000 Kurds at ... political analyst on Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war ... This much about the gassing at Halabja we ...
www.trinicenter.com/oops/01122003.html

America's Debate -> When is war okay?
... to forget that saddam was an ally when he gassed the kurds ... was responsible for all the gassings of the kurds, and there is evidence that Iran was also ...
www.americasdebate.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1267&st=15

Joshua Claybourn's Domain: Not Again
... an HR post). If it was Iran which gassed the Kurds, then it is wrong to absolve Khomeni of the blame for this massacre. Posted by ...
www.joshclaybourn.com/blog/archives/000812.html

Global Exchange : Betraying the Kurds again?
... In the 1980s, while Saddam gassed the Kurds -- the genocide that was ... which had embraced Saddam's regime because it feared the Ayatollah's Iran more, fought ...
www.globalexchange.org/1171.html

One Down in Iraq - One to Go in America
... the democratically elected Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran in 1953 ... who are still clinging to the “gassed his own ... by the Bush thugs - but the Kurds – AND – that ...
www.dougbasham.com/captureofsaddam.html

What Is One Man's Life Worth?
... Our own Pentagon reported that it was Iran that gassed those Kurds and it was only after Saddam stopped being our boy, did we change the story. ...
www.jamesglaser.org/2003/p20030227.html

August 2002 eDebate Archives: Iran-Iraq war - Sanchez
... The gassing of the Kurds happened in Halabja, a border town that had been under both Iranian and Iraqi control during various parts of the Iran Iraq war. ...
www.ndtceda.com/archives/200208/0118.html


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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 01:47 PM
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1. bookmarked.
Nice legwork. Thanks for the links.
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JailForBush Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 01:50 PM
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2. If this claim is true, then it...
1. Somewhat lets Ronald Reagan and Donald Rumsfeld off the hook.

2. Gives the Pentagon another excuse to attack Iran.

Gee, I wonder who leaked this information at this time?
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 01:55 PM
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4. not really
iran and iraq BOTH used chemical and biological weapons against each other - this is just ONE occurrence where the winds blew the wrong way...

both sides violated the geneva conventions, and the West's arms dealers (in the US, Canada, Britain and, yes, France) sold weapons to both sides...

do you think there'll ever be a public trial?
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 02:09 PM
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5. I don't think so
Edited on Thu Dec-25-03 02:09 PM by MidwestTransplant
Rumsfeld's meeting was in 84 and wasn't Halabja after that?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 09:41 AM
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15. We supplied BOTH the Iraqis and Iranians with arms and intelligence...
"Let them off the hook"?? Just makes them look worse, IMHO...they played both sides against the middle.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 01:50 PM
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3. oh, my...
I can't wait for the trial.

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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 02:29 PM
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6. Not one major news provide has reported this?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 02:47 PM
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7. scott ritter
said that his group anylized the samples from different "gas" sites and found traces of chemicals that could not be linked to the iraqi`s . he reorted this during the run-up to the gulf war2
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 04:13 PM
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8. Piece in the NYTimes Op-ed made this point about a year ago
Can't give a citation offhand, but it did get exposure there. Author was some kind of ME intel professional, probably shows up in some of your citations as well.

But the presumption seems to be that this news is being suppressed, and I don't think that's exactly accurate. I was appalled and disgusted when I first encountered this story, but I've since read some pretty persuasive dismissals of it. Nothing I've kept sources on, so maybe I shouldn't post, but I just want to point out that news editors may well be downplaying it simply because they think there are holes in the story, not because they've never encountered it or don't want it to get any play.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 04:19 PM
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9. I vaguely remember reading that op-ed piece.
Edited on Thu Dec-25-03 04:19 PM by Darranar
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darkstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:41 PM
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19. NY Times link
Edited on Sat Dec-27-03 12:42 PM by darkstar
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 08:35 PM
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10. The Times of India was the first to break this story.......
......in September of 2002 to counter the Administration's continued claim that "Saddam gassed his own people."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=22569589


If only our own mainstream media was as candid!

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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 08:55 AM
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11. Kick!
Too much work went into this post to let if fade away. Nice work Truth.

Jay
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cowpie Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 09:03 AM
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12. and the beat goes on
None of these sources is without a built in bias. All are left wing sites that are grinding an axe against the administration. If these stories appear in the NYT or USA Today NEWS sections we have something and can run with it. As it stands now, I can go find a litany of right wing sites that supports the exact opposite position on all of it. They were fascinating reading and I thank you for compiling them, hopefully one or two of these things will pan out and we can stick it to the Bushies.
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INTELBYTES Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 09:30 AM
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13. Well said cowpie...
While some of it may be true, it sounds like a lot of tin-foil hat deductive reasoning going on as well. It was good work on the compilation though! :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 09:34 AM
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14. Now,
You are saying anything that does not support your Bush is left wing and full of bias implying it cannot be true. Nice change from your earlier posts saying the democratic party is full of haters.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 09:44 AM
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16. Ah, yes...NYT and the USA Today. What paragons of truthfulness...
...you can look for those two media outlets on your list of rightwing sites.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 09:53 AM
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17. Per Your Request.
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PSR40004 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 10:06 AM
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18. I'm sorry to report...
I have a nephew there and the Kurds love the Americans and they blame sadam...I'd take their word for it (kurds that is). He says he feels safer where they are there then here, now further south it's a hell hole.
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cowpie Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:50 PM
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20. say it with me
m-o-d-e-r-a-t-e
I knew ya could. My refusal to buy into all this conspiracy stuff and belligerence has nothing to do with my political philosophy. I just believe in honesty and decency.
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MysticMind Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:57 PM
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21. it bothers me that some "liberals"
Are such apologists for Saddam that they use arguments made by Saddam apologists at the Pentagon. You believe the Pentagon under Bush/Reagan over Human Rights Watch? Amazing.
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