The Question Must Be Asked: Is Bush* Insane?

[Q]

Insanity - (law) Such a mental condition, as, either from the existence of delusions, or from incapacity to distinguish between right and wrong, with regard to any matter under action, does away with individual responsibility.

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- It's the Madness of King George. It's the crazy aunt/uncle in the attic. Democrats, Republicans and the American people are afraid to admit the possibility that the leader of their country may indeed be insane.

- The legal definition of insanity talks about delusions, inability to distinguish between right and wrong and a refusal to accept individual responsibility.

- Does this legal standard apply to Bush*?

Delusional:

- Bush* insists that he receives messages from God.

Right and Wrong:

- Bush* doesn't understand that it's 'wrong' to unnecessarily kill innocent people.

Individual Responsibility:

- Bush* has never accepted responsibility for anything in his entire life.

- As you can see...the leader of the United States may well fit the legal definition of insanity. Think about this next time you wonder why he appears so disconnected with reality.

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[Q]

4. Your first post...

...is a very telling in that it doesn't address any of the issues.

- You seem to be defining yourself as 'decent' and at the same time those who ask the hard questions 'indecent'.

- I'm not a candidate. Nor do I have anything to do with anyone running for office.

- This is my personal opinion. You're welcome not to participate in the discussion.

[Military Brat]

2. bush knows right from wrong; he just doesn't care

Legally, he is not insane, but definitely delusional. However, he is certainly morally and ethically bankrupt.

[warrior1]

3. Not insane

He's a sociopath.

[Torgo4]

20. Correct warrior1

Sociopath fits him & Cheney & Rummy & Rice &...most conservative Republicans!

Can't feel other's pain, only their own!

e.g. Rush doesn't believe in a right to privacy...unless it's HIS!!

McCain voted against embryonic-tissue stem cell research because it was a matter of right & wrong!...Until...His friend Mo Udall developed Parkinson's.
Now that it affects McCain directly, it's OK!

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[pansypoo53219]

22. if he was a sociopath

he would be able to feign emotions and that GEORGE cannot do.
no, george is a spoiled brat who is still emotionally 10 years old. and was never made to grow up.

[eleny]

24. I believe he can feign emotion

Recall the many times he publicly welled up with tears over these passed few years? He's better than good.

I agree with the sociopath description. It fits his behavior to a "T". Any ends justifies his needs and he's the perfect liar. Makes him a great front-man.

[Q]

6. Not knowing and not caring about right and wrong...

...are one in the same.

[Mikimouse]

8. The definitions of right and wrong

vary according to the conditions created by parents (and by society, which also applies the rules differently)). Thus, it could be argued that what * defines as right or wrong may be completely different from what we might consider the 'standard'. After all, if we look at his history, there is nothing there to inform us that he has ever felt it necessary to take responsibility for his actions prior to being 'born again'. I would say that, at the very least, he is sociopathic. The definitions mean nothing to him.

[Military Brat]

10. The law does not recognize "not caring" as the test of insanity

That is the issue from which the question arose. For example, to most of us, the idea of killing people for fun and/or profit (serial killers, war mongerers) is absolutely insane. And yet, in the criminal "justice" system, people are found to be sane and do stand trial for such crimes.

I compare * to Ted Bundy. Bundy was a serial killer, who had a certain charm about him which affected people even when they were aware of his criminal actions. This is why the silly question arises of whether people like * "as a person" and many say they do, even if they disagree with his policies.

Of course, Bundy was extremely intelligent, whereas * is not. Also Bundy eventually tangled with Lady Justice and lost the battle. We can only hope the same will happen for *.

[polpilot]

28. 'Stupid' is the word we're searching for.

Dean '04...

[November 2004]

5. I agree with you that Bush

is insane. I do not believe he knows right from wrong.

He is also a sociopath in that he has no conscience.

[Q]

7. Bush* makes the perfect Puppet President...

...because of his questionable state of mental health. He can be easily manipulated and convinced that he's on a 'mission from God'.

- I sincerely believe that Bush* needs treatment and therapy. He has some 'issues' going on that he takes out on anyone who opposes his delusional rants about things like 'they hate us for our freedom'.

[TahitiNut]

9. Mar-22-02, 05:21 PM (ET)

Bush -- eccentric or crazy?

[Q]

14. That was a good thread...

...but approached the question from a different angle.

- I believe Bush* was 'chosen' by corporate power brokers to be 'president' because he can be so easily manipulated. He can be convinced to do illegal and immoral things because he truly doesn't understand the difference between right and wrong.

- And really...who can take him seriously when he talks about God wanting him to be president?

[xchrom]

11. very tough question

and hard to seperate my personal feelings about to a more detached observance.
could he be held responsible for his actions in a court of law. i'm not saying he will -- just i think it's rational to conclude bushco knew about 9-11, some how was involved with orchestrating the african american voter flush in florida,
bush knew he lied about wmd's -- so if he knew these things were wrong, i.e. he and his organization hide what they do so he/they know it's wrong -- how are they then insane?
just asking.

[Q]

15. A puppet president doesn't have to know the details...

...his only 'job' is to go where they tell him to go and say what he's told to say. Bush* is similar to Reagan in this regard...knowing generally what's going on but not enough of the details to incriminate.

[xchrom]

17. then my answer is no

i don't think he's that dumb or insane.
i think he is that criminal however.

[Karenina]

34. I'm not sure it's the most important question.

Are the American people insane? I've been asked that.

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. After a lifetime of abusing drugs and alcohol

W definitely has some 'issues'. It is hard to accurately diagnose a case like this because we don't know much about W's current situation in his private life. Is he still drinking? Or is he on meds? What is he relationship really like with his wife and kids? What kind of issues does he still have with his parents?

Add that to the pressures of being the POTUS (even if you are just a fake one) and the fact that you know almost everything about you is a lie. I would venture to guess that W has some serious mental problems that are not being dealt with appropriately.

[Q]

16. Aren't these the kind of things we should KNOW about the person

...with their finger poised over the 'nuclear button'? The RWingers wanted Clinton's medical records released because they thought he might be taking drugs in the WH. Why then can't we find out about Bush's mental health?

[DoYouEverWonder]

18. You would think?

Personally I think he should be Baker Acted. I don't think he would be capable of taking care of himself if he had to live on his own.

[KG]

13. probably mentally impaired.

mild fetal alcohol syndrome. that's why he can't read.

he's also a sociopath- that's due to his upbringing.

[kath]

31. His facial appearance sure looks like fetal alcohol syndrome.

[spanone]

19. Power is a mighty drug

[beyurslf]

21. The question must be asked

is our children learning more?

I think that's my favorite Bush quote.

[Rainbows]

23. Insane ... I Don't think so ...

by our standards maybe because of the morality issue. I think he knows exactly what he is doing but has no empathy for the plight of humankind. I also believe his borne again Christian act is a sham that plays well to the fundamentalists, and the gullible. IMHO

[catmandu57]

25. He fits the clinical definition of sociopath

to a T. Unfortunately until we wrest back power in the congress their not a damn thing we can do about him.

[leftofthedial]

26. he certainly has mental problems

he's a sociopath

he's an habitual liar

he is delusional

people with less pathology have been found insane, but the insanity "diagnosis" is made by a jury of twelve "peers," so who knows?

[Ani Yun Wiya]

27. Perhaps yes....

Like Caligula.

[JPace]

29. I wouldn't call AWOL insane.....

but I would call him unbalanced.
He is average in every way, I
think he figured out early in
life that he had no special gifts
and to compensate he relied heavily
on the special supports around him
to make his way in the world.

Now knowing deep inside that he has
never "earned" anything in his life
yet finding himself so blessed with
position and power he must believe
that God has divinely put him where
he is. Belief in his divinity is
what unbalances him....now combine
this with an inflated ego, a feeling
of infallibility and a lack of wisdom
that can only be gained from the
suffering the pain of your failures
and we have a pResident that scares
the willies out of me.

[0007]

30. junior's I.Q. isn't high enough to be insane

Only a power grabbing money hungry idiot would front for the Carlyle Group and have Cheney's Halliburton at his side in the name of religion.

[barbaraann]

32. It looks to me like Tony Blair might be insane.

Bush seems to be a man who knows the difference between right and wrong but is sadistic and has no conscience. Blair seems irrational and incoherent.

And both of them have nuclear weapons.

[kath]

33. Kurt Vonnegut says Bush and his gang are psychopaths

http://inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=38_0_4_0_C

Excerpt:
My feeling from talking to readers and friends is that many people are beginning to despair. Do you think that we’ve lost reason to hope?

I myself feel that our country, for whose Constitution I fought in a just war, might as well have been invaded by Martians and body snatchers. Sometimes I wish it had been. What has happened, though, is that it has been taken over by means of the sleaziest, low-comedy, Keystone Cops-style coup d’etat imaginable. And those now in charge of the federal government are upper-crust C-students who know no history or geography, plus not-so-closeted white supremacists, aka “Christians,” and plus, most frighteningly, psychopathic personalities, or “PPs.”

To say somebody is a PP is to make a perfectly respectable medical diagnosis, like saying he or she has appendicitis or athlete’s foot. The classic medical text on PPs is The Mask of Sanity by Dr. Hervey Cleckley. Read it! PPs are presentable, they know full well the suffering their actions may cause others, but they do not care. They cannot care because they are nuts. They have a screw loose!

And what syndrome better describes so many executives at Enron and WorldCom and on and on, who have enriched themselves while ruining their employees and investors and country, and who still feel as pure as the driven snow, no matter what anybody may say to or about them? And so many of these heartless PPs now hold big jobs in our federal government, as though they were leaders instead of sick.

[Terwilliger]

35. crazy like a fox

and the president of the United States

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[opihimoimoi]

37. Impaired, challenged, and flawed.

He gives ADA new meaning.

We Americans hire jus ole anybody, even flawed guys. We Want normal good guys, forget leaders who can think. We want flawed.

[proud patriot]

38. I wish we could get him examined by

a doctor ..cause I think he's certifiable

[T Bone]

44. An MMPI would expose him for what he is

but he would have to read through and answer all those questions and sort them into different piles. Not something his usual 15 minute attention span would permit.

[sweetheart]

39. he's certifiable...

along with all the other folks who believe that their social organism outlives their own ego's. Pathological megalomania.

People deny the REALITY of their own death by focusing on the false illusion of a social entity that is "deathless" and in that perversion, come towards a sort of sickness of denial... yet all along is that feeling in the pit of one's stomach... death is real... and there is no escape.

THe real sick people are the haters and these are more in congress than in the puppet chair. They are downright demonic... (senate).

[opihimoimoi]

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[Malva Zebrina]

41. the one thing that makes me think indeed, that this George is insane

is his obssession with religion. I worked for many years in mental hospital and he does indeed sound as if he really does need psychiatric assistance and help from professionals. I think he needs to be hospitalized.

The only thing left for him is to relate and admit to his "hallucinations"--his delusions of grandeur are and have been already in evidence for three years and have caused the deaths of thousands of innocent human beings.

He is on the same plane, as the insane Hitler. I believe that. We have never seen an insane man such as this, in the office of our president. HE is truly insane and further, he is stupid.

[Deja Q]

42. Ironic

"incapacity to distinguish between right and wrong," when Bush* likes to see things AS right or wrong. That alone is a cut and dry symptom. The world is far too complex and humanity has evolved since 500BC.

If Bush thinks that the world converted to Christianity is a solution, he's far wrong.

As the world won't create a new, unified set of rules for people to live under (which is what I want because EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US WOULD HAVE TO COMPROMISE AND CONTRIBUTE as a world society should), we have to get people to tolerate those of different cultures and experiences. And some people of ANY faith are going to be destructive, that's a given. Timothy McVeigh, John Ashcroft, and Tommy Franks readily disprove the gross myth that America is filled with nobody except heroes and saints.

I may be a dreamer, but I'm just sane enough to realize what I dream of isn't possible unless an impossible set of circumstances happens.

[aquanut]

43. This article gives some insight into GWB's psyche

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1033904,00.html

[Crunchy Frog]

45. Not insane

I think his character traits are more consistent with being a sociopath. Also, while I do think he's stupid, I think he also has a kind of animal cunning where politics and power are concerned. That's why people keep misunderestimating him.

[Q]

46. "Sociopath" has been replaced with:

antisocial personality

A personality disorder characterised by a continuous and persistent pattern of aggressive behaviour in which the rights of others are violated.

See: psychopath, sociopath.

Synonym: psychopathic personality.

[Pegleg Thd]

47. According to a doctor friend

bushyboy has cocaine induced delusions of grandeur and is also a sociopath. If left to his own devices-uncontrolled-he could be another Ted Bundy or Charles Manson. He hates being around other people that he can't control.

[Lisa]

48. if he isn't already insane, he will be by the time they're done with him!

Karl Rove and all those guys filling his head with rantings about how he was picked by God to be President! Shielding him from any criticism whatsoever, and turning his arrogance into megalomania! Even someone with fairly good judgement, after getting "15 minutes of fame", can turn into a spoiled dictatorial snob ... well, this is * we're talking about here, and he was probably well on the way to that even before Dick C. and Co. decided to make him their frontman.