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Ishoutandscream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:05 AM
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The incredible elitism of George Will
We have seen how Republicans like to have others fight their wars (chickenhawks). Now we see the true meaning of today's Republican with George Will's amazing comment on This Week. On discussing the loss of jobs in America, Will proclaimed that losing a job today is not a "calamity" for today's worker. Hey George - lost your job recently? It sure is easy to say such a remark in your ivory tower of a television studio. I bet you don't have the guts to say that to a person's face who has lost his entire livelihood due to downsizing and corporate greed. What a bastard.

They are above the fray, aren't they? They have others fight their wars, and they could really care less about the average worker in America. The Republican party is the true party of elitists. If I hear the term "limousine liberal" one more time, I think I'll blow a fuse.
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:11 AM
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1. I know....
and my father loves to read this guy's trash... He used to send me
emails containing these pieces of crap and I had to tell him to
stop doing that.
George Will is an elitist idiot who has a nice comfy job
cheerleading the reich-wingers and their rise to power. His whole
outlook on American society is so out of touch its not even funny.

What a "moran"...
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:13 AM
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2. Will is so far from the real world, he might as well be on Jupiter.
This guy hasn't been on the block since he moved into his security compound. A typical chickenhawk war-supporting coward.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:29 AM
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17. Lightweight commentator who made a few bucks and now extols greed.
Similar to jock strap washer Rush. Nothing here.

Dean '04...
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:14 AM
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3. We need to outsource the pundits' jobs
I'm sure there is someone in India who can be trained to write this crap for a tenth of what George Will makes.

Or maybe there are some jobs so demeaning only an American will do them?
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Ishoutandscream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:19 AM
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8. "Outsource the pundits' jobs" That's beautiful!
I was very mad until now. You gave me a good laugh.
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terrisel Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:21 AM
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9. This is a thought
I have read some good articles in foreign press.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:24 AM
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13. You're forgetting that the reich wingers only trust
white males. Put someone with dark skin in front of the camera, and they'll recoil in horror. We'll have to look at poor "white" countries to find Will's minimum wage replacement. Of course with his banked millions, losing his job won't be a calamity for George.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:15 AM
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4. My guess is he was referring to the fluid labor market -
How the average length of time a person holds a specific job has dropped to quite a short period, and that there are always new jobs opening up. So he's looking at the glass as half full. Not that I agree with his point of view.
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:22 AM
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11. He's not looking at a half-filled glass. He's lying
For the vast majority of Americans losing their jobs is an absolute and terrifying calamity. Most citizens of this nation live one or two paychecks away from homelessness at any given moment. Personal backruptcy rates are up and rising and even the jobs that require knowing how to say "want fries with that" are getting hard to find.

A friend of mine claims that "supersizing" is as legitimate an economic indicator as anything coming out of this administration. After all, he says, you can only "supersize" your fries if you have extra discretionary expenditure potential. If you're squeezing every penny, you get the regular fries.

Love to see Will and the others facing a choice like that. We'd find ourself inundated with sudden conversions to socialism in our punditocracy.
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Ishoutandscream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:22 AM
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12. He was comparing today's job loss to say
a job loss in the Depression. He brought up Steinbeck and packing up the model T, etc. Maybe he was trying to make an educated point, but it sure didn't go over well (at least, not with me). It seems a person who has lost his entire livelihood would look at such a remark and curse Will to the nth degree. I found it to be an incredibly insensitive, cold remark.
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:32 AM
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19. You mean all the former IT professionals now working at Walmart?
Yesiree, that's the kind of fluid labor market we need. You can move from a $70k/year position to minimum wage in no time! That highly lubricated fluid market sending you slippery sllding downhill to penury like anything! Yeehaw!

Or maybe "fluid labor market" refers to IT professionals taking to drink in despair after being out of work for more than 12 months.

Or maybe it refers to the oceans. Sure, that would fit: all those IT jobs we were told would lead to job security in the post-industrial economy now shipping out overseas to India.

Yup, real fluid market, however you look at it.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:15 AM
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5. The fact that there is a euphamism for Limo Libs...
...demonstrates the term is bullshit. The term only exists because it it illustrates an anomoly. Try "Limousine Conservative." Yeah, so? We expect that.

George Will is the embodiment of elitism, and he is so high up on his own pedestal, he cannot even see upon whom his ridiculous snippets of wisdom are trickling down.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:17 AM
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6. Here's some more of what Will has been up to recently.
Edited on Sun Dec-28-03 11:18 AM by gristy
Some letters to the NY Times and Wash Post are begging to be written.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=27599
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terrisel Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:17 AM
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7. George will's $25000 per diem from Conrad Black
Edited on Sun Dec-28-03 11:19 AM by terrisel
Is this the same George Will who accepts $25000 per diem payments from a person whose right wing comments he then praises in his column---without disclosing the payments ?

I am thinking that a lot of columnists are receiving these types of payoffs and newspapers and media shows should be disclosing them for their readers.
I am thinking we should write to the venues they use and demand full disclosure.

I don't think George will is out of touch. He most likely knows the truth and is writing lies for money.

I think you are correct about Republican Elitists and I think the two words must always be used together--unless another is more appropriateto a specific situation (hypocrites, warmongers, thiefs come to mind.....).
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:22 AM
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10. Whores don't talk about their clients....
you know the rules... ;)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:27 AM
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15. lol.............kalian
so freaking true
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Ishoutandscream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:31 AM
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18. "writing lies for money" Good point.
Maybe I need to replace "out of touch" with "whore." My bad.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:26 AM
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14. But George Will likes baseball
how can such a big baseball fan be an elitist?

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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:28 AM
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16. The correct term then would be: a "populist elitist"....
ergo, a bloated aristocrat that tries to be part of the crowd...
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Frank Rose Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:32 AM
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20. George Will is a disease with a thesaurus, n/t
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Smokie Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:35 AM
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21. Radical Republican Elitists
Over and over again we must point out that these guys are the true Elitist. Somehow we've allowed the Elitist label to be attached to us. It is just another Lie. The Elite are those within the 1% of America that want control over the other 99%.

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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:40 AM
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22. A fun game to play with George Will columns:
Edited on Sun Dec-28-03 11:42 AM by John_H
What shocks me is that we live in a world where many people take George Will seriously. George will is your boyhood friend's dad, the one who wore the whole scoutmaster's uniform and had all those perfectly organized tools in the basement, except Will happens to transcribe his Cleaverist worldview into Assistant Professor of History prose for us all read in out favorite newspapers.

Here's a fun game to play every time a new Will column comes out. This game has 4 steps:

1) Mentally cross out the opening reference to either an obviously looked-up, semi-obscure late 18th to early 20th century intellectual, from whom George would like to steal some credibility for the banality to follow.

2) Mentally edit out the both the quasi-mandarin prose and the inevitable characterization of those who, unimpressed by association with semi-obscure 19th Century figure and pseudo-mandarin prose, remain unconvinced as moral relativists, European-style socialists, or "special interests."

3) Imagine the central idea you are left with being said either by Ward to Beav, Brian Denehy to Buffy, or the Lone Ranger to Tonto.

4)Chuckle and go about your merry way.





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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:46 AM
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23. I know this has been discussed before but he did have an affair of his
own and eventually left his wife and disabled child for
a younger trophy wife. His first wife left his belongings on the front yard of their home, causing quite a stir in D.C. I read that
his response to the Black fiasco was "MY business is my business,
got it?" Gee, sure wish he had given others the same latitude over the years. What a hypocrite!!!!!!!!
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:49 AM
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24. Well gee.....
that's a very repuke thing to do.
Newt Gingrich did something just as bad...while his wife was dying
from terminal cancer...he filed for divorce and then threw the
papers on her bed...

These repukes talk about "family values" and other idiocies but
then they practice what they accuse us liberals of doing. :eyes:
These people are SICK.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:15 PM
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30. ABC has shown its true colors
by not calling George "Payola" Will on the carpet for taking loot from Black.

It is totally unethical.
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coda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 12:49 PM
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27. Thanks John_H.
Great post. *chuckle* Great game.

With very little effort, #1 sounds like it could be fabricated into a drinking game, or for those who like a little structure for their industrial strength binges, a drinking game that would point out all of his silly props during his Sunday morning blatherings .
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:56 AM
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25. Will is a hypocritical fool. He takes money for talking nice of folks.
RE: Conrad Black. Tells America it's his business. OK George, then have a nice cup of shut the fuck up.
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sal Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 12:00 PM
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26. Mr. Sneaky Fingers
"He's not very smart, but he sure is good lookin." Kosmo Kramer
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 12:53 PM
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28. I waited on George Will occasionally
when I worked at National Airport. He was an arrogant and rude little bastard.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:46 PM
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29. I don't know if I could have resisted the urge to "water" his drink
Or was this during the Days of the Old Republic. Don't kjnow that I would have done it in the days before the Amerikan Caesers tipped their hands about their plans for the Imperial Subjects.

Now? In a heartbeat!

Makes me wish I still worked in a restaurant.

(ok, that was a lie...no I don't)
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