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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:17 PM
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Bush Knew
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:20 PM
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1. word
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the populist Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:28 PM
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2. two words
no.shit.

I guess the pretzel-victim might not have been as dumb as he appeared.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:29 PM
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3. Excellent article, thanks for directing us to it! It's true, why the hell
is it ignored???
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scottcsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:03 PM
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4. I believe the info was there
Edited on Mon Jan-05-04 06:03 PM by scottcsmith
I don't believe that Bush really knew what was going to happen on 9/11. But I do believe that the data was there; the problem was no one bothered to connect the dots. And since intelligence agencies were not sharing data as a rule prior to the Patriot Act, there were many clues that indicated a possible attack scattered across the FBI, CIA and Justice Department, just waiting for someone to put the pieces together.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:12 PM
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9. Bu$h knew that 1000's of people
were dying and he did nothing.

Bu$h knew that one plane had already hit the WTC when he arrived at Booker. He probably knew that other hijacked planes were in the air. At about 9:06 AM, Andrew Card informed him that a second plane had hit the WTC and that AMERICA WAS UNDER ATTACK. And even then what did Bu$h do? He did nothing.

I don't know what he knew on 9-10 or even on 9-12. But I do know that when Bu$h knew an national emergency was in progress he did nothing? I do know that if Bu$h acted at the least the Pentagon wouldn't have been hit and at the best maybe even the secound tower could have been saved.

Bu$h knew America was under attack and reading a book about goats was more important?




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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:28 PM
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10. Exactly
Bush didn't get his shit together for 3 days. I believe that they had to fly him around the country to keep him out of sight because he was curled up in a fetal position crying and sucking his thumb. They finally got him medicated enough to prop him in front of a camera for a few minutes that evening. When we saw him on TV that night my husband looked at him and said "What's wrong with him? He looks drugged."--before any of the suspicions started to form in his mind.

No one can deny that there were major screw ups that day, that people weren't doing there jobs. If it were a football game the coach would have been fired the next morning.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:51 PM
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12. I've often wondered what was going through
Bush's brain (besides a breeze) during those minutes right after the planes struck. I finally arrived at the conclusion that The Reaction ws akin to a man who carries around a gun all the time but has never actually used it for real. He KNEW something was going down, and then it happened. Similar to he pulled out his gun, and it went off and shot the guy.

He freaked because he knew that now it was on. He never was a lotta good under pressure.

OTHER people in the administration were responsible for the magnitude of the event,
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 07:23 PM
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15. YUP
after the first tower was hit WHY WERE THE SECOND TOWER AND THE PENTAGON NOT EVACUATED ? Has anyone EVER answered that question ??? CAN YOU SAY DERELICTION OF DUTY ?????
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:55 PM
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13. Screw that, they knew it was coming
There are too many inconsistancies in their stories.
"If we had known they were going to use those airplanes to kill..."

BULLSHIT!!

I mean, the administration claims to have stopped several 9/11 attacks in the past month alone. Do you really think that the information relay system would have gotten so much better just because W waved his hand and magically made everything right?

If you believe that Bush couldn't have known what was going to happen, and that when the first plane hit they couldn't have acted to prevent further death, then you are living in a fantasy world.

Look. Bush knew exactly what was going to happen, and he and his administration decided to let it happen so they could exploit the tragedy for political gain.

Consider:
Bush was widely regarded as a pathetic failure who didn't even win the election legally in the days before 9/11. But then 9/11 happened, and we immediately hear "support the President" and "we must unite" from Bush. His popularity skyrockets, and he has continually used the memory of 9/11 as the ultimate trump card to cover his lies, pimp war, promote the wealthy, and force his twisted, ultra-right, zionist, fascist agenda on the country.

Fuck him. He knew what was going to happen, and he chose not to stop it.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 07:08 PM
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14. Wow...what a coincidence...
...that's exactly the position of the Bush* White House.
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Trinity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 08:28 PM
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21. Amen
to that.....




Peace? :hippie: :smoke: :freak:
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Lostnote03 Donating Member (850 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 07:43 PM
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16. Intelligence sharing?
....... a few months ago a poster stated that one of Bushs Executive Orders eliminated weekly or bi-weekly meetings between intelligence agencies that had existed for decades.....I failed to double check this EO(2112 I believe) however it certainly stains the intelligence breakdown theory.....add to the equation the politically motivated OSP and its special purpose within the intelligence network and once again the zealot issue surfaces again.....if anyone is familiar with the EO in question would you please refresh my overwrought memory.....
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AromaticSocks Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:04 PM
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5. Ok. Now what?
What is the next move?
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:06 PM
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6. Bush Knew and FAILED to stop it
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:10 PM
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7. Damn right he knew
go watch my flash animation linked in my sig line..
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:43 PM
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11. Wow my fiance has been saying this for a long time but this little video
REALLY gets to you. Sent the link to all my family. Thanks.
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graphixtech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 08:01 PM
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19. Thank you symbolman,
Edited on Mon Jan-05-04 08:06 PM by graphixtech
that is a beautiful piece of work, with a perfect musical score.


Kansas City Visibility action, November 2003
http://www.septembereleventh.org/
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:12 PM
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8. Bush Knew
No Doubt
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SmokeyBlues Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 07:49 PM
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17. When Card whispered into Bush's ear...
that the US was under attack, why didn't he also at the same time 'encourage' Bush to get off his stupid ass and do something?
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 07:58 PM
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18. Where I feel the framing could be:
Edited on Mon Jan-05-04 08:03 PM by Must_B_Free
Isn't PNAC, the membership and participation in the Administration and the situation of calling for a modern day Peal Harbor tantamount to not just motive and means, but a statement to method?

PNAC____________________________BUSH ADMINISTRATION
Eyeballed Iraq__________________Eyeballed Iraq (as members as PNAC)
Called for a new Pearl Harbor___Called for new PH (as members as PNAC)
Got new Pearl Harbor________________Got new Pearl Harbor
Got Iraq________________________Got Iraq

Why does that fact carry so little weight? Is it really shrouded as a "coincidence"?
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 08:27 PM
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20. Fighter jets failed to pursue
Pentagon says 911 Interceptors flew:
Too Far, too slow, too late
by William Thomas

(cut)
With their capability to monitor developing "situations" by tapping into military and civilian radars, U.S. military commanders would have also seen Flight 175 turn abruptly south 25 minutes later - just as they had watched on radar in October 1999 when pro golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet abruptly departed its flight path while enroute o Dallas.

In that legendary intercept, a fighter jet out of Tyndall, Florida was diverted from a training flight to escort the Lear, whose pilot had become incapacitated, trapping Stewart in the stratosphere. An F-16 was reportedly sitting off the left wingtip of Payne's pilotless business jet within 19 minutes of the FAA alert.

(cut)
Instead, in a stunning admission that received little press scrutiny at the time, NORAD noted that for all interceptions flown against the hijackers on Sept. 11, "Flight times are calculated at 9 miles per minute or .9 Mach." In other words, every interception flown by the world's hottest air-combat aircraft was flown at less than a third of the planes' top speed.

(more)
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/THO311B.html


I was reminded of this article from a Canadian website after reading this thread. What do you think?

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