Ed Gillespie is right! Bush is NOT a Nazi!

[nostamj]

his grandfather was a Nazi enabler.
his grandfather was a Nazi war profiteer.

his family fortune is drenched in blood.

but, Bush* is not a Nazi. despite the many many comparisons.

Bush* is a Fascist. a corporate whore. well paid to submit to his clientle and deliver. and well paid.

the spawn of Barbara Bush's womb knows no equal in pure, unadulterated evil.

but make no mistake. Bush* is no Nazi. he is a fascist. a corporate whore who profits from war.

family values, bush style.

[wtmusic]

1. Nah, he's a Nazi

"The 70th anniversary wasn't noticed in the United States, and was barely reported in the corporate media. But the Germans remembered well that fateful day seventy years ago - February 27, 1933. They commemorated the anniversary by joining in demonstrations for peace that mobilized citizens all across the world."

"It started when the government, in the midst of a worldwide economic crisis, received reports of an imminent terrorist attack. A foreign ideologue had launched feeble attacks on a few famous buildings, but the media largely ignored his relatively small efforts. The intelligence services knew, however, that the odds were he would eventually succeed. (Historians are still arguing whether or not rogue elements in the intelligence service helped the terrorist; the most recent research implies they did not.)"

"But the warnings of investigators were ignored at the highest levels, in part because the government was distracted; the man who claimed to be the nation's leader had not been elected by a majority vote and the majority of citizens claimed he had no right to the powers he coveted. He was a simpleton, some said, a cartoon character of a man who saw things in black-and-white terms and didn't have the intellect to understand the subtleties of running a nation in a complex and internationalist world. His coarse use of language - reflecting his political roots in a southernmost state - and his simplistic and often-inflammatory nationalistic rhetoric offended the aristocrats, foreign leaders, and the well-educated elite in the government and media. And, as a young man, he'd joined a secret society with an occult-sounding name and bizarre initiation rituals that involved skulls and human bones."

http://www.thomhartman.com/democracyfailed.shtml

[ComerPerro]

2. Here is why the public hates the comparison

In their mind, Hitler is one of the most evil men in modern history (which is an easy claim to make, one I would tend to agree with). He set many precedents in political manipulation, propaganda, and fear-mongering, lessons which Bush is following to the letter.

But the one key difference in the public's mind is the Holocaust.
This is why they so violently oppose comparisons of Bush and Hitler.

Also, there is a good deal of denial going on. Many people like to live with the mentality of "it can't happen here". And others don't like to admidt that, just as they support Bush now, had they lived in Germany in the 1930s they would have just as fiercely supported Hitler.

[the populist]

3. You took the words right out of my mouth.

They think Hitler's supporters were demons from hell. But ask your average "Christchun folk" what he thinks about muslims and you'll hear an opinion not unlike the Nazi supporters in Germany.

A striking similarity between the two tyrants is the exploitation of a national tragedy. The Reichstag fire was Hitler's 9/11. I believe that Bush and co., like Hitler, wanted 9/11 to happen and may have been complicit in it or avoided prevention.

And remember that Germans didn't know the Holocaust was going on. They thought Jews were being sequestred in camps because of their allegedly pro-Bolshevik politics and their role in the bankrupting of Germany as of 1918. Similarly, Bush's supporters like Ashcroft's indefinite detention of Arab Americans and Muslims found in Afghanistan because of their anger over 9/11.

The one distinction I'd say is that Hitler had an ideology. Bush doesn't. He does what makes him money and what pleases his neoconservative puppetmasters.

[Karenina]

14. ComerPerro, you and Populist

are both hot on the trail. The Holocaust is unique in the "inustrialization" of human slaughter. That particular detail of human degradation occurred in Nazi Germany and cannot be refuted.

Jews and Germans both CLING to this "uniqueness" as the most evil of all evils and sacrosanct. Germany is the ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD that has taken a hard look at its history over decades and adjusted its education system to reflect that. German children take school trips to the former concentration camps. They are inculcated with a sense of responsibilty and a sense of guilt (which is regularly manipulated, but that is the topic of another thread) that NO ONE ON EARTH harbors the inherent evil with which they've been burdened. On the other hand if you're an American Jew who has attended Hebrew school, planted a tree in Israel, maybe spent a summer on a Kibbutz in that TINY LAND that offered refuge from one of the most efficient killing machines in modern history, you probably can't relate to anyone comparing his suffering with the INDUSTRIALIZED SLAUGHTER of your own people.

Now I'm gonna get everyone's tits in an uproar by declaring to BOTH SIDES of the "debate," IT'S HISTORY!!! GET OVER IT!!! WAKE UP!!! THAT ONCOMING LIGHT IS A FREIGHT TRAIN CARRYING A SHITLOAD OF HAZARDOUS WASTE FROM THE NAZI MENTALITY!!! IT'S IN THE TUNNEL NOW WITH THE BENEFIT OF 50 YEARS OF TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCES!

While this one is outraged and that one offended and the other one pensive and apologetic, there is a *force using the nasty old playbook quite effectively and it IS HAPPENING AGAIN. They will not CLEARLY target an identifiable demographic, not just yet. But hell they've just gotten started and there are LOTS to choose from! HEADS UP, KIDS!

[Octafish]

20. That's what "Star Wars" is all about.

Global mastery. And the kkkonservatives are hell bent on achieving it ASAFP.

The Bushler is point puppet for installing the ultimate terror weapon, space-based laser "defense." It will give the Little Turd from Crawford's backers the means to vaporize whatever target, individual, or state they wish, at the press of a button. And, they'll be able to watch it happen, in real-time.

There'll be no need for crematoria. When it's over, the wind will blow away the ashes of the üntermenschen, like me.

[tom_paine]

28. Yes, "kinder and gentler" Nazis to feed the denial of Imperial Subject

Of course it begs the question, addressed in many, many places far better than I ever could, "Is racially driven oppression combined with Industrialized Murder the prime and only component of fascism?"

Of course not, but that is the way the vast majority of Imperial Subjects see it.

And, of course, the self-absorbed, self-laudatory internal congratulations we as a society cling to (in the face of evermore evidence to the contrary) that "It Can't Happen Here" goes a very long way to insuring that it WILL HAPPEN HERE.

[Hubert Flottz]

38. Our tits are in an uproar because our a$$es are in a sling!

All our a$$es will be in a sling if we can't rid the country of these rabid Hitler Wanna-be Clones next November!

I'm really going to get some tits in an uproar when I tell you that Hitler did in FACT give mankind one GREAT and Valuable gift! That gift being a glaring and bloody example of what a country and it's leaders should NEVER BE! The truth is there to be seen by anyone with the get up and go, to simply study the Nazi example! The trouble is most people are too lazy to open a book or to think beyond the next ballgame on Fox!

Fox is guarding the American hen house just like Hitler's hard right mouth pieces did in Germany in the 1930s! Our government has silently overthrown 'We the People', with the aid of many of the same wealthy families in America who enabled Hitler! An American named Ivy Lee showed the Nazis how to polish a turd and make it look like cherry pie!(spin, public relations, and propaganda) Ivy Lee was Hitler's gift from the same boys on Wall Street whose kids now enable Bush!

The fascist's goal is still the same today as Hitler's was, that being to rule the world! "New World Order" is = to or greater than "World Order" or the "Thousand Year Reich"! The Nazis knew the best place to hide something was out in the open, provided that, what one wishes to hide is never examined in much detail!

Hitler used the Bible bangers just like Bush is using them today! The Bible bangers were in for a very very rude awakening in Nazi Germany once Hitler held all the cards!

[aquart]

27. What BushCo plans for the MidEast

will make the Holocaust look like sweet candlelight.

We cannot take and hold that land and that oil without murdering millions. And even then we'll lose.

Stupidest idea of the millennium.

[DBoon]

4. I'd compare him to Franco

Franco's unholy alliance with the Catholic Church parallels Bush's with evangelical religions.

Franco was a brutal conservative, who tried to restore Baroque absolutism to Spain. Compare to Bush's effoprt to restore an idyllic American paradise of the 17th century. It is backward looking, but to a more recent post-reformation christian past, not to an early pagan empire (Rome - Mussolini, Tetutonic - Hitler).

There were no radicals in Franco's movement with the stature of Roehmer in the Nazis - it was truly a conservative movement rather than a radical one. The Nazis were a radical movement that the capitalists, aristocracy, and military tried unsuccessfully to control. Francos was a movement *of* these classes. Again similar to Bush, there is no independent mass base.

Franco never supported overt ethnic extermination. Neither does Bush. Both are strictly nationalistic, not overtly racist.

[ComerPerro]

5. Well, but consider

That what you are seeing now is a lot of "classic" conservatives who are pissed off at Bush and what he is doing. Then only thing is, they will vote for him because they are scared to death that Hillary might run (which is just insane).

[maxsolomon]

6. my reaganite/ former mcgovernite parents are scared of hillary too!

i don't even understand where they got that idea. or why it would be worse than son of a bush.

then i remember: cincinnati, WLW, no internet...

[maggrwaggr]

31. What's scary about Hillary?

I mean that's just delusional.

[the populist]

12. More like unholy alliance with Israel n/t

n/t

[Timefortruth]

7. Hitlery

http://www.greencis.net/~dianeleigh/

Now they publish this crap all over the net, but heaven forbid that they consider turnabout fair play.

I found this through a link on Freerepublic. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1052058/posts?page=1,50

[happyslug]

8. You sure this picture did not really get them mad at her?

She looks good in that Black/White/Silver uniform, better them most Freepers would (Most people do, the Nazis were many things, but they had a great taste in uniforms).

[DBoon]

13. Another reason Bush in not a Nazi

Nazis were well developed aesthetes.

The Bushites have absolutely no taste!

[w4rma]

19. Nazis are fantastic at propaganda and appearance.

Just look at Faux News. One think I give them credit for is that they know and understand showmanship.

[Q]

9. But...why republish it FOR them?

...

[Timefortruth]

11. Because it betrays the hypocrisy.

Bush is closer to Hitler for reasons that are well known here. Senator Clinton and her actions have nothing to do with Fascism. The comparison is made by the right only because they hate her. But whatever the reason, they can't pretend that the charge is offensive when they use it, can they?

[camero]

17. Not just because they hate

It's a diversion tactic. Misdirection if you will.

Call Hillary a fascist and the eyes don't look at them.

[trumad]

10. Damn...Hill looks sexy

thanks...

[camero]

15. We don't know yet

The trains haven't run yet. But there is ample evidence. I agree that he is a fascist.

[Skittles]

16. I see Bush more like a Mussolini

YES INDEED.

[TomNickell]

25. Mussolini. I agree...

Hitler was smart and competent. Mussolini was a buffoon.

[Octafish]

18. Yeah. But he's still a NAZI.

The NAZIs differ from fascists in that the former believe, sociopathically, in the superiority of one "race" over others. In Bushler's case, he thinks rich people are "Our Kind" of people. If he only knew how inferior his thinking really is, he'd be ashamed.

[Karenina]

21. No, he wouldn't

He and his cronies have no shame.

[devinsgram]

22. Just remember,

the sins of the father are visited upon the son or should I say sons. Somewhere along the line they're all going to have to pay. I just hope they don't take us all down with them.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

23. Quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, struts like a duck...

...Junior's a Nazi even if he can't pronounce the word or use it correctly in a sentence.

[PVnRT]

24. Nazis are a party, fascism is a political ideology

I think there's a line to be drawn there. In fact, let's substitute "corporatism," a far more palatable word to Americans, for "fascism," and there you have it. He is a corporatist, one who wants the complete merging of state and business, in effect, creating a state run by big business for the benefit of big business.

And now, you all may flame away.

[ConsAreLiars]

35. Exactly right - "corporatist" carries the right meaning.

The implications of describing those who control the US state apparatus as being "corporatist" are there for everyone to see. Every new law, every policy, every day. The connection to the rise of totalitarianism in the US is less obvious, although the signs are plentiful and the relationship real. This is a term that even Dem candidates can and do use to characterize the direction now being taken.

I think there is an important role played by those who point out the very direct and important structural similarities to the rise of fascism, but the broader message carried by the term "corporatism" has to be spoken loudly and heard widely before the latter can be properly understood.

[phillybri]

26. Why didn't Gillespie get in a tizzy about the Cleland-Bin Laden ad?

That actually aired!!!

:grr:

[maggrwaggr]

32. Because the Dumbs keep letting them define the terms of the debate

over and over

and over and over

and over and over and over and over .....

[kath]

33. And how about the Daschle/saddam ad?1 Bastards.

[bobthedrummer]

29. There are Nazis in the Republican Party RW

make no mistake about that, that part of the Republican Party became their political home after WWII when an unknown number of them were "recruited" and given identities and jobs as Americans in national security.

But they've always had American cousins and admirers like Prescott Bush and Gates McGarrah {Richard McGarrah Helms maternal grandfather first President of the Bank for International Settlements/BIS future Nazi Minister of Economics Schacht's realized vision in 1930} Henry Ford and Mr. Wallace of Big Blue, Charles Lindbergh and lots of other Third Reich profiteers
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/waryearsp5.html

http://www.archives.gov/research_room/holocaust_era_assets/bibliographies/trade_with_third_reich.html

[Karenina]

30. Frustrating isn't it?

The information is freely available. Don't you WISH all those who screech about desecrating memories would simply click a few links and read? Hell, what we're on about is preventing the nightmare from reoccurring!!!

[Octafish]

34. Russ Belant brought GOP-NAZI link public in 1985.

The NAZIs are just one tentacle of the BFEE Octopus. What unites them is their fierce anti-communism. Interesting how much more important property is to these fools than people. It's my duty to pray for their souls, knowing what hell awaits them ...

http://csf.colorado.edu/mail/psn/may96/0214.html

[Hekate]

36. Definitely. He's not a moron, either.

Or so said the Canadian PM last year-- just before firing the staffer who injudiciously told a newsie that they thought Bush was a moron.
:dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

~~ The US flag is not the corporate logo of Bush-Cheney Inc.~Hekate ~~

[stickdog]

37. Ed Gillespie's job is to highlight Bush's most successful accomplishments,

and not being Hitler is at the top of a very short list.