Freepers flipping out over Bush's plans for immigrant amnesty.

[barbaraann]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1052775/posts

Here's my favorite:

To: Spiff
I have 2 words for this!!!

Hail Hitler!!

22 posted on 01/06/2004 2:06:17 PM PST


Yes, Freepers, President Bush and his cronies have betrayed you and it's only going to get worse (A LOT WORSE) if they are allowed to get away with it.

[acmavm]

1. Paybacks are a bitch.

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[alcuno]

2. And to prove how stupid they are, they'll all vote for him.

You made me look.

OK, I'll wait to hear it from his lips. But I know it is true. He wanted to dothis before 911 but had to wait for the dust to settle. I voted for Bush, but I would take my vote back if I could. He is a terrible president.
165 posted on 01/06/2004 3:04:07 PM PST by jpsb

[Cleita]

3. It's the only thing Bush has done that seems progressive

yet I wonder what the catch is since it's coming from his junta.

[barbaraann]

4. He wants the Hispanic vote.

Heck, maybe blacks will get reparations for slavery if he thinks he needs the black vote!

[dusty64]

5. Slave labor and the

attempt to drive wages even lower. Note also, the Labor Department is instructing corporations on how to screw workers out of overtime pay. Any doubt anymore who our regime represents?

[candy331]

10. Where did Bush come up with this idea? n/t

[barbaraann]

12. The Republican Holy Grail is Cheap (or Free) Labor.

Has been since the beginning of time. :-)

[NV1962]

20. Absolutely - he's looking for the Latino/Hispanic vote, again

And he's doing that because he's feeling the heat from Wes Clark and Howard Dean. And they're not the only Democratic candidates that are strong on "normalization" of immigration laws.

For Wes Clark:
http://clark04.com/issues/hispanics/
Look under "Immigration reform" - plus Clark has repeatedly said he believes in earned citizenship (essentially, some years residence paying taxes, no conviction)

In the case of Howard Dean:
http://www.issues2000.org/2004/Howard_Dean_Immigration.htm

George Bush won with substantial Latino/Hispanic support and a widely understood promise of a major immigration reform. After 9-11 that got mothballed; now that the elections are approaching, he's trying to get re-elected with... a renewed campaign pledge.

Ha.

[Dagaz]

6. Big Business

Is it really that much of a secret that business likes cheap labor? I never for a minute EVER thought Bush would do anything less.

[salin]

7. Do you think they finally get that Bush has NEVEr been about them

nor their interests... but all about providing for the big corporate cronies who flood his campaign coffers with money.. they want cheap labor hear in the states (you can't ship certain jobs over seas... I mean my kids {the nanny} and my land {gardeners} can't be shipped elsewhere).

Sadly I think that most, even if they are upset with Bush about this, will in then end decide to forgive such a 'noble and wise' leader... BUT if this sends that spark of doubt to just enough voters who either vote third party or don't vote for president... that would be a good thing.

[barbaraann]

14. Well, even if they catch on about Bush, they won't catch on

any time soon to the fact that there is such a thing as the common good. They'll still be holding tight to the Reagan anti-government myths, IMHO.

[LTR]

8. Hell frozen over yet?

I actually agree with some of the posts here.

(RT slaps self hard in face)

Funny to actually read criticism of Shrub on FR.

I for one am against this scheme. It sounds like yet another pandering to corporate interests who will benefit with cheap labor and drive down the average working wage.

Now Bush is starting to piss off the right as well as the left.

[CatWoman]

9. look at this idiot

To: Spiff
Didn't you get the memo? It's not about principle. It's about winning AT ALL COSTS. Go team!

23 posted on 01/06/2004 2:06:32 PM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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[SlavesandBulldozers]

11. hahaha

i love this one. Just when all the RW'ers are blue in the face about immigrants, and think that Bush is too, out comes this gem. Oh boy, watching this one simmer is going to be a real treat.

Cheap labor trumps rugged individualism any day of the week.

[WilliamPitt]

13. Interesting barometer. Bush does the right thing, freepers freak.

So it goes.

[barbaraann]

19. Their brains are SO twisted.

I'd like to see a Rube Goldberg drawing of the Freeper brain. :-)

[WilliamPitt]

21. Here you go

[barbaraann]

25. LOL

Thanks, Will!

[WilliamPitt]

15. ...and why we can't depend on the conservative pissed-off vote

"Personally, Bush really chaps me on immigration issues. But what am I gonna do, vote Losertarian?"

[Frances]

16. The Wall Street Journal

is in favor of the Bush plan. Their editorial pointed out that Bush would win Hispanic votes with the plan.

Bush will also get even more money from corporations, especially those that process chickens and beef and pork, all industries with high accident and repetitive stress injuries.

In the past, workers in these kinds of industries would eventually get together and gain some political power in order to improve their working conditions.

If the workers can't vote, they won't have any power to improve their condition.

[proud patriot]

17. Yeah , I figured they would flip out over that

and if I recall correctly , many freepers have stated
this would be the straw that broke the camel's back

[Corgigal]

18. I guess Bush didn't read that memo either

he's not suppose to "help" or appear to "help" brown people.
Damn that is why lots of those white guys voted for him in the first place. To make sure the brown people stayed in their place.

[priller]

22. Listening to "little Rush" Larson on the radio

and he was livid about it.

[leesa]

23. Wait til they find out they get an all expenses paid trip to Iraq to boot

This is what comes from worshiping a twisted cheerleader.

[TheWebHead]

24. my guess is that corporations are already figuring out

how to exploit this plan. I think you'll start seeing manufacturing build factories in remote areas with low-income housing, advertise the jobs in Mexico with satellite offices to interview potential employees, and they'll exploit overtime laws, worker safety, give zero benefits, and use the hammer of "we fire you, and you have to return to Mexico."

[TexasPatriot]

26. Go Read TalkingPointsMemo

Marshall has a LONG transcript thats well worth reading (when is TPM not worth reading...)

So I have a couple questions:
1) If Dell wanted to move it's Indian Callcenter staff wholehog from India to the US, and offer them minimum wage - then due to this telling quote "We assume that by virtue of Mary's employment, that marketplace test, if you will, has already been met." - that has to mean that its ok... right?

2) they pay soc sec and payroll taxes... but if they stop working do they have to go home? can they collect unemployment? it says that anyone working here and paying soc sec would get credit in their home countries for contributing into whatever soc sec program is local to that country - but those numbers likely wont even out.

This would do amazing things to salaries. All those Russian programmers could come over here and be willing to work for a lot less than your average recent college grad - and american companies dont have to go to all that trouble of outsourcing to overseas companies to take advantage of the cheap labor.

On the flip side - a lot of young attractive 18yr olds can come to the US and work gentleman's clubs pretty much no questions asked. So much for that whole russian mailorder bride business - they'll just move here and find a husband locally.

Amnesty is a good thing. Social service coverage for the undocumented workers is a good thing. But the H1B system, by putting a cap on the number of people who could enter the high-end job pool, meant skilled labor was still valuable due to scarcity. We were having enough trouble with global economies and outsourcing - this could make a bad problem a lot worse.

[TorchTheWitch]

28. eeek

On the flip side - a lot of young attractive 18yr olds can come to the US and work gentleman's clubs pretty much no questions asked. So much for that whole russian mailorder bride business - they'll just move here and find a husband locally.

They already are and have been for quite some time. The clubs are flooded with Eastern Europeans and Brazilians all over the US. The biggest thing that sucks about it is they're driving the market price down for the rest of us, and since those countries are far more risque then what's either legal or appropriate in the US, they've got no problem doling out $10 or $20 blow-jobs on a regular basis... outrageous.

Not a lot of clubs ask questions anyway. It's been my experience that in the northeast, for the most part, you need to supply valid ID to get hired... yet they still have their share of aliens (some clubs more then others). Other areas in the US don't even give a squat if you're a felon, a junkie, a prostitute, a citizen or even ask what your real name is. Just today one of those Brazilians that's been working at my club for about a week got fired for giving out handjobs (and at a measley $20 a pop at that!)... tomorrow some other club will hire her and she'll just keep doing it.

[TexasPatriot]

31. you know...

i didnt really need to know that... here i thought i was being cute... hrm. I know that when I was working in montreal several of my coworkers were always remarking on the russian girls in the clubs.
*shrug*. i guess we could call this Bush's Cheaper Handjobs bill... but i dont think he'd like that much.

Globalization is slowly making life harder and harder on the American worker (and no, i'm not talking about American men in strip clubs). This isnt going to make it easier.

I dont buy that Bush really wants this... it's got a half-assed quality to it, like one of those half-baked ideas you get from the 'outside the box' bizdev guy they keep in the corner by the kitchen.

Why would people like a policy that's going to put more pressure on a tough job market - especially when we're seeing record levels of job dissatisfaction for those who have jobs. I suppose it's one way to further polarize the wealth - and that seems to be the title of Bush's playbook.

[K8-EEE]

27. GOP Pols LUV Latinos (about every four years)

ha!! The worst and I mean WORST is when they have GWB or that ridiculous nephew or some other spoiled rich kid talking to the barrio folks in Spanish, ouch, that is hard to watch....QUE BARBARIDAD!

[Enjolras]

29. A Great Wedge Issue

This should be included in our talking points. The social conservative component of the Republican base will hate this, and the libertarian and free marketeer clans will love it. Divide & conquer!!

[barbaraann]

30. This is really stirring the Yahoo message board posters up, too.

http://post.news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=NEWS&action=l&ft=1&board=37138445&sid=37138445&title=Bush%20Administration%20Drawing%20Up%20Immigration%20Plan&tid=nmbushimmigrationdc&date=12-24-2003&url=story.news.yahoo.com%2Fnews%3Ftmpl%3Dstory%26u%3D%2Fnm%2F20031224%2Fts_nm%2Fbush_immigration_dc_1&.sig=jDBYdeaNGA8KwCQlrCB5Zw--


I wonder if Pat Buchanan will run if Bush does this.

[RBHam]

32. A wedge issue

IF there is another election, I can't see the Unions voting for Bush.
I'm betting that there will be a fresh round of union bashing on rw hate radio soon.

the lines are being drawn.