Many of you know I have access to blast-faxes, well listen up.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

This immigration reform may blow up in Rove's face. His thought was simple; go after N.M, Arizona (this is based on the thought that Dean has the nomination and that Arizona will never, ever vote for Dean), and make dems. spend time and money in Cali.

But it has pissed off the right. They could forgive the deficit, but the illegal immigration stuff is just too much to handle. Word is, unless Bush does the usual say one thing/do the opposite, there WILL BE a candidate of the paleo-conservative variety. The new budget about to be revealed will not be enough. They don't trust Rove. Say one thing for the paleos: they have firm ideological/philosophical beliefs. Opening the borders VIOLATES those beliefs. Tancredo in Colorado is going ape-shit.

Rove is scrambling right now. Here's the spin you are going to hear: allowing illegals the right to work will allow us to keep tabs on them and will, in fact, make us safer. Yes, the logic is laughable. But didn't you hear: it will make us SAFER. Remember, the terrorist infiltration in Iraq was good because the terrorists were fighting us there and not here at home. Keeping track of illegals is simply an extension of this bizzarro logic. But Rove knows the American public ate it up the last time.

Keep your eyes open to these developments. If Bush/Rove blinks on the immigration reform, you know there was a palpable threat.

[trotsky]

1. I dunno

A lot of the paleos are also ultra-capitalists. Meaning an endless supply of cheap labor is a very important thing. Plus, if they're illegal, they can't vote, and therefore won't be able to influence governmental controls on industry.

[dkf]

2. Hmm. Who could the paleo be? Not Buchanan I hope.

[Buns_of_Fire]

17. It's possible

Buchanan was just on MSNBC, going ballistic about it against Jeff (GoodTeeth) Flake. :shrug:

[xchrom]

3. i would be surprized

if that kind of revolt developed.
pissed they might be--goose stepping in lock step they are great at.
but then again, never say never.

[alfredo]

28. Bush's budget will hit veterans hard. The paleos will not like that

either. I have not heard one word in support of bush on my veterans mailing list for a long time.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

4. I believe

youre right about certain Repubs being pissed. I also think it's great that they are going to have a Nader-figure enter the race to split that Bush vote up a bit, if in fact its true.

[DarkPhenyx]

5. Let's hear it for the Paleo-Cons.

I didn't like Jesse Helms, I didn't ever vote for him, adn he was a racist biggoted son-of-a-bitch. However, that being said, he was an honest racist biggoted son-of-a-bitch. He didn't hide, he didn't quibble. You knew exactly where he stood.

I'll take that over a lying, tap dancing individual almost any day.

[radwriter0555]

6. "we' were fighting terrorists in iraq? what terrorists? those people were

defending their HOMES from an unwarranted illegal invasion.

The only THREAT with this immigration bill is that native americans will be allowed to traverse ALL the land that was once theirs, historically.

You folks seem to forget that us white folks are the colonists who drove out the native americans and created wild borders irrespective of natural migration patterns.

This legalization is nothing more than a bush wins by losing bullshit move again.

He KNOWS he can't 'win' against discriminatory thinking, but he gets to play the victim loser for trying.

He's bluffing, pure and simple.

[MoonAndSun]

7. This immigration thing has really pissed of the freepers here at

work, it's the 2nd time I have heard these people saying bush* is doing a bad job, just last week one of them finally admitted that bush* is spending money like a liberal!!

I think many of these repukes may have just about had their fill, some may still vote for the idiot, but I think many more will be looking for someone else to vote for, maybe Libertarian or another 3rd party.

I can only hope. :evilgrin:

[Gin]

8. the author of "American Dynastys" was on CSPAN...hes a republican

exposing the bush family connections to BinLadin and everything else.
he said these guys are not republican...I truly believe there are a lot of folks in the country who are being silent but will not vote for shrub. Their party has been highjacked.

[grannylib]

12. Any more info on that one? Author's name/links? That really astounds

me that someone was allowed to say that on television and live...

[Champion Jack]

16. Kevin Phillips

His new book:

American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush


by Kevin P. Phillips

[leftchick]

14. When was he on c-span?

this morning??

[metisnation]

27. No John McCain

or Bob Dole here folks the GOP was hijacked by corporatist.

[loudnclear]

10. It's that deep, deep race thing again. Freepers can forgive anything

but this!

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

9. If Rove pulls the "keeping us safe" card, some people will hit back.

This is the crux right now. He wants to go with the "make us safer" line, but there will be howls from the paleos. Rove will essentially be doing to them what he did to the dems. in 2002. He'll wrap Bush policy into the terrorism package. Therefore, if you don't go along with Bush's plan, you aren't doing all you can to make us safer.

Immigration reform is asking too much of the paleos. They went along with the war in Iraq, though initially made their isolationist arguments against it. But this one will be nearly impossible for them to swallow, far more difficult than the increased spending. At least there, Bush can make the argument that he's trying to drown all government programs by making the federal government fiscally insoluable. I don't know about this one, though.

[LincolnMcGrath]

13. I heard the safe card a week ago

AM radio, don`t remember the host.(they all have the same message) He warned of an ARAB HIGHWAY that EVERYONE in the SW knows about.
How bout it southwesterners? Ever seen the ARAB HIGHWAY?

[blondeatlast]

21. Lived in AZ for 37 years, never heard of it. The Canadian border is

another story--the first WTC bombers entered through a celebrated weak spot in the US/Canada border.

Anyone who has ever been at a Mexico Point of Entry knows it's just a tremendous joke. People who cross are so desperate nothing will stop them. I've seen them squeeze through the rotatin bars with a crowd pushing behind them; how no one gets killed doing that alone is beyond my comprehension.

La Raza is on to GWaBby and KKKarl. This won't appease voting Latinos or Hispanics one little bit.

[kskiska]

11. Just heard the "SAFER" spin on Cspan

Someone was quoting Ridge saying that letting these people in legally will make the job of checking up on them EASIER.

[blondeatlast]

22. Gotta say it:

BULLFUCKINGSHIT!

What people? From the southern border they come to work--and work hard they do.

The first WTC bombers entered through a weak spot in the US/Canada border!!!

Not a lot of desperate Canadians crossing from the north at risk of their very lives, last I checked . . .

[jonoboy]

15. for every capitalist boss paleo there are 100's that arent..

I think it's a real back-fire number and should be exploited.

I hate to use these people but it's in theirs and everyones interest to get rid of Bush.

this is sooooo exploitable !!

[blondeatlast]

24. La Raza is all over this--this just came up (I do mean JUST):

http://nclr.policy.net/proactive/newsroom/release.vtml?id=24181

(snip)
Hispanic Americans are extremely disappointed with the President’s announcement today on immigration policy, which appears to offer the business community full access to the immigrant workers it needs while providing very little to the workers themselves. . .


The timing of this proposal at the beginning of an election year after more than two years of silence on the issue suggests that the White House intends to appeal to Latino voters by purporting to establish broad and generous access to legal status. The details of the proposal, however, reveal that this is at best an empty promise, and at worst a political ploy aimed at vulnerable immigrants and those of us who care deeply about them. . . .we believe that Latinos will judge the President on his actions, not simply his words.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

18. Hah, hah, a direct quote from a fax.

First off, I will only quote these things whenever my friend, who supplies me with them, tells me it's o.k. Even he thought this one was priceless. My friend, by the way, is an old-school conservative. Educated at Yale and Brown, he's a pretty smart guy. But he's had it with the whores in the republican party. He laments their descent into "democratic party pandering" (yes, he still calls us the democratic party). In fact, I just saw a fax that referred to Dana's Rohrbacher's appearance on Fox (I didn't see him on the program). I guess Rohrbacher actually argued that the jobs that immigrant workers look for need higher wages so that American workers will want to take them. These guys are becoming more liberal than the moderates on this board. Hah, hah, hah. What's next, a living wage?

So here's the quote from the fax regarding various faxes throughout the day. It comes from a paleo-con think tank: "Don't let them get away with that 'make us safer' bullshit. You feed them their words and make them explain how in God's name it makes us safer."

The fax then goes on to detail how they must make the argument that the admin. will be making us less for a simple election year ploy (sorry, I can't give you the text here).

It is a real war (at least at the fax machines). Did I tell you Tancredo was going ape shit? It's beyond that. He's going freakin' nuts.

[thinkingwoman]

19. midwestern red states don't like this

midwestern red states don't like this plan AT ALL. After watching hundreds and hundreds of jobs disappear south of the border year after year the last thing joe bob wants to hear is that illegal aliens are getting amnesty.

This is the dumbest thing I've seen W do to his own base. I thought I was unshockable. I was wrong.

He's like a study is political suicide.

[Bandit]

20. Isn't that the same logic that was used in California on the Driver's

License issue. It was to make us safer and to keep better tabs on them. That was the main issue that Republicans revolted over. Now it is fine to allow illegals in so we can keep tabs on them. When will they ever get their stories straight?

[Cleita]

23. I thought backing Arnold, the groper Schwartzenegger

for CA Governor would have violated their beliefs, but it didn't, so I think they are as corrupt as the rest of them.

[neverforget]

25. Maybe some of these Republicans will stay home on election day.

That would help....

[nomaco-10]

26. Repubs may be pissed, but they never...

break ranks, never. It's lock step all the way. They know if they even think about it, they will be punished in the most severe way, no more cushy committee seats, no more three martini lunches with lobbyists. Nope, they very rarely, if ever break ranks, the threat of political suicide is very real for them.
Wonder what kind of punishment McClintock got for his refusal to drop out in California? Katherine Harris got the call from Rove, so she's not running in Fla. They run a tight little ship, I just wish it would sink.