(Boy this didn't take long) DEPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS

[underpants]

Dave Drew, a local resident, protests near day laborers who are lined up waiting for work in Farmingville, N.Y, Wednesday, Jan. 7, 2004. Millions of illegal migrant farmers, hotel maids





Protesters hand out flyers on a street corner in Farmingville, N.Y, one of several Long Island communities that have been beset by tensions over an influx of illegal immigrants, Wednesday, Jan. 7, 2004. Millions of illegal migrant workers in the shadows of American society would be freed from the threat of deportation for at least three years and could get a chance, although probably remote for most, at permanent legal U.S. status under an election-year proposal President Bush (news - web sites) is expected to ask Congress to approve Wednesday. (AP Photo/Ed Betz)

[radwriter0555]

1. See? BUSH WINS. He gets to be VICTIM.

The people in this country are too racist to allow those with tans to go unpunished. Rove et al know this.

So bush gets to play hero, AND victim.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

2. well put radwriter

talk about a gift from god, wuhoo! This issue coulnd't be a better divider. CHEERS DU!

Wait I can't stop there. I would say this is the biggest boost for us since Rush's Double whammy of Racism and Junkitude.

[guynamedjoe]

7. Dazed and confused?

OK, I'm confused, are you guys happy because Bush is attempting a amnesty program or are you happy because illegal aliens should be deported?

[radwriter0555]

14. I LIKE that he's pretending to attempt an amnesty program, but he's doing

it for the wrong reasons.

See, I think anyone who wants to, especially from the Americas, should be able to freely travel, live and work here.

BUT bush is doing this because he knows that americans are racists and can't stand anyone with a tan doing their job -- or worse, living, playing and enjoying their life. We can't have that, since the colonists are in control. Granted the colonists are REALLY the immigrants, not the original inhabitants of the Americas, but people don't learn that in history lessons.

So, due to the kind, compassionate people in the photo, there is no way in HELL this bill will pass.

SO bush gets to play victim AND be a hero.

This is the same scenario he used at the UN, when he went begging for money that he KNEW no one would give him. He got to play victim and be hero.

Classic rovian move.

[blondeatlast]

62. Not to mention he is ignoring immigration laws already in place.

This is a blatant attempt to win votes from a base that would ordinarily not support him.

[K8-EEE]

3. Why Doesn't This Person Protest The Hotels Hiring The Maids?

Or the agri-biz hiring the farmhands.

It's always so one-sided.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

6. because the Hotels

and agri-business just go, "Yeah Right, buddy. Now if you'll excuse me I'll take two Mexicans and a Guatamelan."

When you stand in the streets yelling "Deport Illegals" you make people have to react to you, which is really what this is all about isn't it.

[underpants]

18. FEAR vs. REALITY-Do you like fruit? Like being able to afford it?

Vegetables? Like being able to afford it?
Like things made of bricks? Like being able to afford it?
Like your house/apartment? Like being able to afford it?
Like going out to dinner? This ties in with the first two plus the kitchen help at some

Seafood? Like being able to afford it?


I in no means want to sound demeaning or stereotypical I am just trying to point out what illegal immigrants DO in this country. Yes hotels (mentioned in the link) are a part of that too.

Okay so they say get rid of ALL of them. Go ahead and build your wall (I thought walls were bad?!?!) who is going to guard it?
3rd ID?
4th Armour?
101 Airborne?
Hey 1st Cav is available send them on down there it's not like they might be needed anywhere else right?

[demon67]

24. Isn't this the same argument used to support NAFTA?

People earning a non-living wage in the U.S. is no better than people earning a non-living wage elsewhere -- all so we can save 20% on apples and hotels.

[underpants]

26. It might just be

and since we live under NAFTA that would make it reality.

[demon67]

25. Isn't this the same argument used to support NAFTA?

People earning a non-living wage in the U.S. is no better than people earning a non-living wage elsewhere -- all so we can save 20% on apples and hotels.

[radwriter0555]

29. NAFTA is a natural business evolutionary model.

I actually support it...

[camero]

74. You support sending good jobs overseas?

:eyes:

[LincolnMcGrath]

78. NOT THIS NAFTA

[snooper2]

61. Like your JOB!

So you can buy bricks and lettuce and seafood?

[blondeatlast]

63. Arizona's economy survives on the backs of undocked workers.

Sad, but true. Our biggest industry is tourism; it will die a pitiful death without them.

[camero]

72. No it won't

It will just cut into corporate profits. Gee, can't have that now can we?

[LincolnMcGrath]

76. So True

That old line that prices would go through the roof is hogwash. I build homes with union labor. If my prices were higher than scab builders, I would go out of business right quick. Furthermore, the lie that Americans wont fill these jobs is horseshit too. Picking fruit would be allot easier than the work I have done for decades. The corporate profit are the only concern here folks.

[Skidmore]

11. Exactly...

Change has to be forced in the business community where the profits are made on the backs of so many on both sides, legal and illegal workers. I tell you we need a general worker strike, combined with a targeted consumer strike. What is wrong with buying locally produced items or forming cooperatives to do so? To borrow a line from Dean..."you have the power".

[SlavesandBulldozers]

17. i agree

i'm already pretty much striking from everythign already though. SInce i dont have a job I can't walk out, and since i have no money i can't boycott.

[Gin]

27. I agree Skidmore......we do have the power...I will buy local produce..

and boycott retailers such as walmart..and others...we DO have power...we just "think" we are powerless.

Remember shrub keeps telling us to shop till we drop. Well...lets stop the shop till "they" drop. Why not tighten our belts and show the buying power we do have....at least until the thieves in the white house are booted out.

[rfranklin]

12. Because we all love "cheap labor" and cheap prices...

as long as it isn't us that are providing it.

[Tansy_Gold]

59. No, "we" don't "all" love cheap labor

Like others who have posted here, my financial situation is far from comfortable, but that doesn't mean I take advantage of cheap labor, other than my own.

Even when I had the spare cash, I've never been one to spend for the sake of spending. And I avoided cheap junk whenever possible.

Some of us truly are aware of how our spending habits affect others. Please don't lump us in with the others, or believe that because there are so many of them we might as well join them.

[peekaloo]

4. ET phone (card) home

I like that you placed the gist of Boosh's scheme in bold print UP.

KKKarl really outdid hisself this time.

[K8-EEE]

5. Won't The Freepers Be Mad At GWB??

For "supporting" (in an election year, DUH) "amnesty?"

[wysimdnwyg]

10. Yes, the freepers are mad

I have one as a friend (we usually avoid political conversations), and she IMed me today to express her anger at Bush. My reply was "ROTFLMAO". :evilgrin:

[velocity]

8. I got got off the phone

and my friend asked me, "WHERE ARE THE PROTESTS?" Well they just started. :evilgrin:

[demsrule.com]

9. Bush is just Hispandering

This is definitely not a good move for our National Security. Not too mention social security benefits are guaranteed to them. How bout if I die before 65 my family gets my benefits. Social security is an issue i'm surprised Jesse Jackson etc. hasn't brought out that it is unfair for black males as their avg. life is less than that of others. I personally don't think that it's fair that all of the money they pay in in social security is just kept by the gov. if anyone dies before 65. Hopefully the democrats will shoot this down and I imagine a lot of conservatives don't like it either.

[underpants]

13. They had to figure that the # of Hispanic votes they pick up...

would out weigh the Conservatives that are upset and where are THEY going to go anyway? Buchanan?

Welcome to DU :hi:

[SlavesandBulldozers]

15. actually

according to my friend in the Hospitality union, The National Council of La Raza has already called Bush's announcement a joke.

[blondeatlast]

64. Bad news for GWaBby then. La Raza is picking up serious power in the SW.

No response to the "official" announcement yet; but they are onto KKKarl's agenda:

(snip)
NCLR has been clear in this debate with members of both political parties: we seek comprehensive reforms, not political posturing. While we do not yet know what will be included in the President’s announcement, we are mindful of the fact that the White House has been silent on these issues for more than two years. The announcement of principles – not legislation – at the beginning of an election year in which Latino voters will be pivotal suggests that this initiative is more about politics than policy. As we have said many times to officials on both sides of the aisle, we will take dim view of words if they are not accompanied by action.
(end of statement)

[rfranklin]

16. Also very clever because by the time they finish their schemes...

Social Security will be an empty, looted lockbox.

This same scheme worked back in the 1940's when "retirement money" was withheld from Mexican laborers. Guess what? They never got it! Same scheme revamped!

[Supormom]

19. "Hispandering"- Great word!

[Buffler]

32. Privatize!

While I am clearly in the distinct minority here on this, the reasons you gave, along with many others are why I support the total and complete privatization of SS.

[Bridget Burke]

48. You fell for that old canard...

About how Social Security is unfair to black males.

Ho Ho!

Hint: If you want a totally, completely privatized Plan--you're free to start saving.

[Buffler]

60. Are you suggesting that SS is fair

to black males? How so?

On Edit: I do save, and I save well. I would like to put more away for my retirement, especially in my Roth but I am limited by law to what I consider a very small amount how much I can put in each year.

[blondeatlast]

65. Feel free to open a savings account, then. You might even get a toaster!

[DS1]

20. I am STUNNED that they spelled it all right

Can't say how many times I've seen Illeagal :eyes:

[Skidmore]

23. With the current cult of nationalism, I'm surprised they don't spell it

illeagle. :D

[Buffler]

37. I love finding misspellings

Misspelled words on protest signs are a joy to me. I get great laughs when I see it.

One of my favorites was a women holding a sign complaining about a proposed tuition increase at her college. She had current tuition + tuition hike = X.

Problem was, SHE DID HER MATH WRONG!

[Don Claybrook]

39. I do too

I think you used the plural "women" when you meant to use the singular "woman".

[Buffler]

40. That is why

I never make my own signs!!!

[Don Claybrook]

43. I stick with the easy signs myself

But I did learn to spell fascist because it's just the right word for so many signs these days.

[reachout]

21. I Concur!

On behalf of all the Native Americans in my family, I would like to say I heartily agree with the sentiments expressed in the above signs. I'm certain their holders will volunteer to be the first back on the boat to whatever country they came from as they were neither invited nor wanted. In fact, like a bad guest at a party, they have quite thoroughly trashed the place.

Don't let the door hit them in the ass on the way out.

[underpants]

22. Classic!!!! (psst can you put in a word for me)

I'd really appreciate it.

That was on the mark. Thanks.

[radwriter0555]

28. Amen to that. The colonials seem to forget that your people and the

peoples of mexico and points south were here LONG before the europeans.

They don't get it.

[lib13]

33. So why don't you leave?

I guess everyone should feel bad because every non hispanic/american indian came here illegally ? I don't feel bad, I like it here. I am a native American, I was born here.

[radwriter0555]

34. So how does that entitle you to more rights than the people who were also

born on this continent before your family instituted the borders on land they didn't have the right to acquire anyway?

The native american indians of the USA are no different than the native americans in mexico, other than some odd differences imposed by the colonists when they put in a border.

Native Americans should have all the same rights and the colonists.

[lib13]

35. american indian genocide

I admit that what europeans and americans did to the american indians was genocide and their collective state today is a shame on the USA, but that doesn't mean that 'my family' instituted the borders on illegal land.

Human history is full of groups of people killing others and taking their land. The american indians were doing it to each other long before any europeans got here.

[Don Claybrook]

36. But do you have any rights to say who can stay or not?

I mean, since your ancesters and mine committed this genocide we're talking about, don't you think we're not as qualified as we should be to make judgements about who can stay in the land that we stole?

And remind me again about the genocide committed by Native Americans. I'm coming up blank for some reason.

[lib13]

38. I was born here

I was born here, 3rd generation Irish Italian, so my ancestors stole nothing. American Indians were killing each other when the europeans got here. Sometimes entire tribes were wiped out.

[radwriter0555]

41. Oh american indians were killing each other, therefore they don't deserve

to be educated, get food or have the same types of jobs as the white europeans?

That's like saying the africans who were supposedly enslaved by battling tribes deserved the treatment they got at the hands of white europeans? Is that what you think?

Tell me, how is it that white europeans are entitled to so many more of the good things man has created for itself than the people of color from other continents?

Who decided this? What great fete of nature decided that anyone of color was somehow entitled to LESS than the great white europeans?

Ever hear the phrase "all men are created equal?" Think about that for a moment, and tell me why that phrase is somehow actually INVALID?

The indigenous peoples of the Americas were BORN HERE LONG before you and your family ever got on a ship for indentured servitude, and yet, somehow, they're LESS equal than you? And entitled to less?

Why don't we just break it down to what you really think:

You think that anyone who has more skin color than you is entitled to less than you. You feel that you are superior to people of color.

Your statement speaks volumes. Let me know what part I didn't get right.

[lib13]

45. whoah!

Let me know what part I didn't get right

All of it!
I never said that all people weren't created equal, or that citizens of the USA should not all have the same rights! We all have the same rights as citizens

But should someone from another country be able to come here undocumented and illegally? No. Dees the citizen of another country have the same rights as I do here? No.

I apologize if I wasn't clear before.

[radwriter0555]

53. Then (thank you) it comes down to the question of WHY they're NOT

considered NATIVE AMERICANS due all the same rights as YOU are.

Why are there laws that 'deem' them illegal?

Native North American Indians are entitled to freely traverse the USA Canadian Border and by law, cannot be searched or questioned at the border. I absolutely believe that that same type of law should be in place for our friends to the south as well. There is no real reason for them to be discriminated against, and deemed illegal.

[lib13]

58. When Canada and Mexico open their borders

I can't just move to Canada or Mexico (or any other country) and stay there for as long as I want a get a job, raise kids, etc... I need a work visa and I need to fill out papers, etc... borders are not 'open' nor should they be. Also, there are a lot of white european mexicans, they are not all indians.

[Don Claybrook]

42. Irish-Italian? You're an immigrant just like me

We have no moral rights in this regard. Sorry. I know it's tempting to want to come in and slam the door behind you, but you'll come to see, after giving it some thought, that you hold no special place in time or history that qualifies you to make such decisions. You're an immigrant, I'm an immigrant, they are immigrants. Your people came here poor and full of dreams, as did mine, as do they. Come, we do the ethnocentric shuffle.

[lib13]

46. I am not an immigrant

I was born here, so were my parents. My grandparents were not, but they immigrated here legally. They came on a boat and filled out papers and became citizens. I am not slamming the door, I think it is good that people come here. But they should come here legally.

[Don Claybrook]

47. You're not a native American. You're an immigrant n/t

[lib13]

49. I disagree, I am a native American

I was born in North America. That makes me an native american. I am not an american indian (cherokee, iroquois, etc...)

I have a friend who is from South Africa. He is white. He moved here legally and applied for citizenship. When they asked him 'what' he was, he replied 'African'. In his eyes, he is more 'African' than most blacks in America, since his family has lived in Africa for 300 years.

[Don Claybrook]

50. Well, it sounds nice, but you're not a native American.

By the way, does your definition make Canadians native Americans?

[lib13]

52. Canadians are native americans

so are Mexicans and anyone else born in north or south america.

[underpants]

54. Oh fer Christ's sake I don't care if you are new or not

This is self gratification. You know damned well what is meant and perceived by the phrase "native American" so give it up.

[radwriter0555]

56. No, they're White European Colonists, just like you are.

Native Americans are those people who's ancestors are the original indigenous peoples of these continents.

[blondeatlast]

67. Then how can we kick them back to America???

:evilgrin:

[radwriter0555]

70. They're in America, if they're in the USA.

hmmm.

[blondeatlast]

71. Precisely my point.

[radwriter0555]

51. Actually, as opposed to immigrants, the white europeans are COLONISTS

as in, they/we COLONISED the USA. See, we're all COLONISTS, no matter how far back our ancestors were indentured servants or slaves.

Now, the Mexicans are NATIVE AMERICANS.

See, they are the indigenous natives to this continent. And the entire continent, north, south and middle, is considered "The Americas".

Just to clarify.

[lib13]

55. asian colonists

How did american indians get here? They crossed over from asia thousands of years ago. Are they 'colonists' too? Since the first humans came from africa, aren't we all 'really' africans?

I think debating all this is silly, my real point is that some people are citizens of the USA and some aren't, and the ones that aren't can come here but they should do it legally.

[radwriter0555]

57. Actually, there are so many schools of thought on that premise including

the one that says that there were migrations from southeast asia via the southern pacific, as well.

But they were here first.

[blondeatlast]

66. You are no more a native American than I am . . .

Don't let the screen door brush your fanny on your way out . . .

[GregW]

30. I've seen this guy before ...

[underpants]

31. McFLYyyyyyyyyyy!

[rman]

44. distracting from the real problem

I thought everyone agreed the problem is Bush giving them US jobs, not so much the fact that these people are in the US. That may be a problem to but it's a different problem.

It is one thing for corporations to (illegally) hire illegal immigrants (gee, i wonder why these people go to the US in the first place), it's another thing entirely when the government makes it official policy.

If that is the problem, then why not protest that?

[camero]

77. Wal-Mart got caught red-handed

And now they have to change the rules.

[htuttle]

68. Deport All Aliens!

Everywhere I look, there's a Gray working a job that a human used to have. They're everywhere. They should go back to their own planet!



Everytime someone refers to an obviously human immigrant as an 'alien', this is what goes through my head. I can't help it.

[Malva Zebrina]

69. So is this why Americans are being killed in Iraq

to support these "freedoms" as defined by the moron George Bush?

I simply cannot put this initiative into perspective. It all seems so shallow and so inconsequential.

We all need jobs-as I understand--so howcome only one group is being singled out as "deserving" of jobs? Is that being politically incorrect or cruel to point that out?

[camero]

73. Welcome to the road to serfdom

Just hire illegals because Americans are just too "expensive". I agree with your post. :)

[THUNDER HANDS]

75. yup, not the finest folk Long Island has to offer

Such an embarassment. I'm holding my head in shame. :(