Probable major fuel for Bush tomorrow

[David_REE]

My friend works in finance on Wall Street, and told me the financial models are showing tomorrow's December jobs report is going to show a huge gain.

And that the rate will probably continue such that Bush will more than make up for the loss of 3 million jobs by November.

There goes any chance.

[lancdem]

1. Are these financial models pretty reliable?

and has your friend often been right before?

[rfranklin]

5. The more sure they are, the less likely it will materialize....

Plus, most people who lose those high-paying jobs with great benefits are settling six months later for much less.

[David_REE]

9. Yes...

He works for one of the biggest names on Wall St. He says the economics dept is 2/3 Republican, but even he and the 1/3 of the Dems there agree we're looking at at least 150,000 jobs/mo, and more likely, 200,000+.

[David_REE]

11. That's for Dec. 300,000/mo in '04.

[alcuno]

18. I remember watching Larry Kudlow the night before

the November numbers came in. He had someone on saying 375,000 jobs and someone on saying 97,000 jobs. Kudlow was making fun of the woman predicting 97,000 jobs. They came in at 57,000. 300,000 sounds great.

[alcuno]

109. And more on * shill Larry Kudlow from Friday morning

I can't resist. Just minutes before the numbers were announced, Kudlow predicts that a 150,000 job gain is LOW! Moments later his prediction is proved wrong AGAIN! And as others have said, the November numbers are then revised downward.

What a corporate clown this guy is. Unbelievable!

[SheilaT]

21. The question absolutely is,

what kind of jobs? What do they pay? Any advancement potential?

I'm also very skeptical of the initial claims that this was a good Christmas season for retailers. I know I'm just one person, but I spent about half the amount of money on Christmas this year that I usually do, and no one in this household lost a job or took a pay cut.

[Hamlette]

49. 150,000 keeps us even

with new people entering the job market. We need more to create jobs for the unemployed.

[DinahMoeHum]

2. Those are probably Xmas, temporary jobs. . .

3 million jobs recovered by November? Fat chance !!!


:kick:

[redqueen]

7. Good call

Seasonal work... we'll know more by next month for sure, and knowing the history of the results of conservative policies, it won't be good news!

[punpirate]

15. I tend to agree...

... because of another factor which doesn't often figure into these glowing models--jobs added for people new to the work force. To regain the roughly 3 million jobs lost, there must be those jobs regained, plus the approximately 150,000 per month for new workers (who don't show up in the unemployment statistics). Altogether, that's about 423,000 new jobs per month until the beginning of November. I don't think any economy in the last sixty years has accomplished that.

And, there's nothing to suggest the mechanism by which those jobs will be created--many of the stock market gains in the last year have come about directly because of personnel cuts by publicly-traded firms. Increased outsourcing can't make that situation better.

It sounds very much like the financial analyst mentioned is parroting what Snow said recently, rather than depending upon an accurate study of the US employment situation.

[louis-t]

33. "stock market gains have come about..

directly because of personnel cuts". Thank you for repeating the truth. I've been saying this for 6 months! My prediction is that the tech stocks will hold their own this year, but the Dow will begin a slow descent starting this month. Been saying this since July. If the Dow does keep up this pace, watch for a nice crash later in the year (hopefully, about 2 weeks before the election). It's possible that inexperienced investors are helping to drive the markets higher because they believe all of the hype. It's the house of cards b*sh has been waiting for. All of this admins actions indicate to me that they still think they can trick the economy into working.

[OneTwentyoNine]

47. And the more people that fall off the unemployment roles...

Bingo,they suddenly have jobs because they no longer get benefits!! Yeah,bullshit they do,but it shows up as such on paper for the Media Whores to glam over.


David

[redqueen]

3. 3 Million jobs by November?

This guys full of it.

Three hundred thousand jobs/month just isn't going to happen.

[Snow]

4. Second question, are these jobs

the temp christmas sales jobs? If so, won't jan look really bad by comparison? That seems a pretty silly way to play with the data, but with this bunch.....

[Maine-i-acs]

6. 3 million jobs by November?

Your friend is talking about unprecedented job growth in a crapola economy...

200,000+ new jobs per month? Those are Clinton-era numbers. For the sake of my unemployed friends it would be nice, but I suspect voodoo economics at work here.

[liberalhistorian]

16. Me, too, I just don't

see how that's possible, especially with all of the outsourcing and downsizing currently going on.

[cthrumatrix]

8. isn't that called "inside information" ...be careful

no wonder markets up today on bad news (in the am).

[Silverhair]

98. No. That's an economic projection, not insider info.

Insider info is: XYZ Co. is about to try to buy DEF Co. and the person telling you is one of the person in XYZ that is part of the project.

This is just a projection from standard economic models, and they all pretty much use the same models.

I have been posting here that there will be significant job growth. It's simple - employment is a lagging economic indicator.

But most people here are wanting bad economic news so much that they get angry at anybody that says the economy is in an up cycle.

[West Coast Democrat]

99. There's Lagging and then there's LAGGING!!!

Anyone can just assume that a supposedly enormous rise in GDP will equal enormous job growth. But what if that rise in GDP is only a temporary glitch? Will that create enormous job growth?

[mmonk]

10. They will use all stimulus available

to have it humming by election. There is a chance that the deficit plus a devalued dollar and a heating economy could lead to rising interest rates, especially if foreign bond holders begin to pull out.

[DebJ]

12. after 9 months of 3 million more "Walmart" jobs the economy will still be

an issue and the numbers for people without insurance coverage will go up too

[mmonk]

13. not enough to cover the illusion

everything is getting much better. Dems need to concentrate on the loss of liberties, the deceptions used in the Iraq war, and the Plame outing as well as corporate cronism in connection with the administration. Otherwise, we'll be routed.

[phillybri]

14. Wrong....

3 million jobs by November? Don't count on that. I'm a financial advisor and the BEST estimates I've seen don't even come close to that.

Tomorrow's number will show little or no change in the unemployment rate....

[David_REE]

20. And he's a finance PhD for a top 5 name on Wall St, and a Dem.

Let's see who's right tomorrow.

I think the strategy needs to be something other than economy/jobs.

[bobbyboucher]

22. I don't trust the interpretation of stats

by Bush's people or any Wall Street crook. And trust me, they are not honest except when the market is actually going good, so, by accident.

I am a little suspicious about you too, for some odd reason.

[lancdem]

26. I just checked the wire

The expectation is, 148,000 new jobs and no change in the unemployment rate. We'll just have to see tomorrow!

[hatrack]

31. Long Term Capital Management also had lots of PhDs

And they just knew their model was correct . . .

[Cocoa]

74. he should have to turn his PhD in

1,000 jobs.

[salin]

85. or at the least... eat a little crow

so what firm does this guy work for... don't want to turn to them for any economic advising or investing.

[Ms. Clio]

84. Well, we saw who was right, didn't we?

I think the strategy will follow the reality.

[yellowcanine]

92. Let's see who's right tomorrow.

Yes, well it is tomorrow, Mr. Ree. 1000 jobs - huge numbers, all right. Seems your friend is no friend.

[KayLaw]

64. Boy, Phillybri

You were right on the money. I just don't understand how you were able to predict correctly what so many experts couldn't. One thousand. One thousand when I've been hearing well over a hundred thousand. I just don't get it.

[phillybri]

75. Not right on the money, but more right than Mr. PhD!

I expected the rate to stay the same. Although, the fact that it went down because 300k+ stopped looking for work is NOT positive news.

That being said the paltry 1,000 added jobs (which will probably get revised to a loss if October and November are any indication!) didn't come as too much of a shock.

It was great seeing Larry Kudlow try to spin these data while my fellow Morgan Stanley guy, Bill Sullivan smacked him down!

[SpiralHawk]

17. Now have a heart folks. Bush is just back from his vacation

(I mean his latest vacation). He's only had a week to "get up to speed."

So it's absolutely unreasonable of you to expect him to say anything insightful about this dreadful unemployment mess.

Give the guy a break, and remember the Republican motto:
"A rising tide lifts all yachts."

[Kat45]

19. That's strange, when the Sun Help Wanted section is so tiny

It's been down to 4-6 pages. That doesn't sound like a whole bunch of new jobs to me.

[LuminousX]

23. 3 million jobs in 10 months? I HIGHLY doubt it

[Bronco69]

24. I wish you were right,

but there ain't no way it's going to happen. In fact, I'll bet we lose even more jobs by November.

[David Zephyr]

25. Your "Friend" Needs a New Crystal Ball.

"Three million jobs by November"?

Your "friend" is messing with you or is an idiot.

[Gin]

28. No...that report will say 3 million jobs for India and China by November.

shrub will be defeated! mark my words!

[David Zephyr]

38. Ha!

:hi:

[papau]

27. Raw data 300,000 job increase is what I get - but no big deal

Why all the fuss?

Seasonal adj it will amount to nada.

[spanone]

29. Temps hired for Christmas

[devinsgram]

70. Exactly!

I have a friend who works at Walmart (boohoo) and says they are already starting to cut back on people and hours. But there are those who will believe anything.

[alfredo]

30. December is always a time of high employment for the Christmas

season. The question is, how many of those new hires are still working today.

[Walt Starr]

32. Yup, just wait until the unemployment rates for January come out

Of course, the "Librul Media" probably won't say much about the 350,000 jobs lost in January '04.

[Cocoa]

34. lol

that's all, just lol. :-)

[Walt Starr]

36. I'm with you

<in his best Desi Arnez impression>

AH HA HA HA HA

It's just so ridiculous!

:evilgrin:

[louis-t]

37. bushie, you got some 'splainin' to do

[Robbien]

35. Remember back a month or so when they adjusted the stats and suddenly

discovered that the depression started before Bush stole the oval office? Did that surprise anyone?

Anyone who trusts any numbers from this administration is a fool.

[HuckleB]

39. Why do I doubt this?

Would I love to see all those jobs? Heck, yes! Will they actually materialize. Not under this administration. False good news seems to be the only thing they've ever offered. And it's always refuted by reality soon after. Ugh.

[neverforget]

40. Baloney! CNNHN crawler said that unemployment claims for last week

went 14,000 over the previous week. What job creation?

[ComerPerro]

41. Even if this is true, you are missing the point

Many people I know who lost their jobs and were able to find new ones are making less money and don't have as many benifits.

[JanMichael]

42. "There goes any chance"?! Take a Prozac.

Two points:

1. How the hell do you figure it continues at the same rate for 11 months? Psychic are we?

2. Look at the types of jobs being "created", lower in pay and benefits that the ones that they're allegidly replacing.

Big whoops.

[Beaker]

43. Why is the "help wanted" section in the Sunday Tribune only 20 pages?

in one small section...
4 years ago, it was 4-5 times that size.

where do these fancy models show the jobs being created(industry & geography)?
and what are the average pay&benefits package as compared to those from the jobs that were lost?

[DrBB]

44. The job rate is FAR behind what would be required

...to make up those losses. Or so I have read a number of times since things finally turned around.

[supercrash]

45. Even so...

He makes up the 3 million he lost...Still a shitty record

[SOS]

46. Since 1900

every single President has presided over positive job growth, with only 2 exceptions...Herbert Hoover and Shrub. Both Republicans who had fewer total jobs at the end of their term than at the beginning.
Since Bush Jr. took over we have had a NET loss of 3 million jobs. 90% in manufacturing, shipped overseas.
Those jobs are gone. There is no way Bush can create enough jobs to get out of Hooverville by November.

[snippy]

48. There is a 50% probability that your friend is correct.

If the people who work on Wall Street were always right they would not be working on Wall Street, they would own it and everything else.

The consensus estimate of the employment report for December is for an increase of 148,000 new jobs and the median estimate is for 130,000. The high end of the range is a little over 200,000. The unemployment rate is expected to be unchanged. Some forecasters will be correct and most probably will be wrong.

There are still a lot of headwinds to job creation. These include increasing productivity, globalization, foreign outsourcing, merger and acquisition activity, and the excess capacity which still exists with a lack of pent up demand to drive the creation of additional capacity. The average work week is still below 34 hours. There are also a significant number of part time workers who will move closer to full time and new overtime regulations which make it cheaper to work more existing employees longer hours. Add to these factors the fact that since the 1920's, republican presidents always have been bad for job creation.

Even good employment reports over the next 10 months will not necessarily help Bush that much. Hourly earnings continue to decline which is likely to continue for at least several more months.

[gulliver]

50. Sure. n/t

[snippy]

51. Your friend was slightly off.

[Maeve]

53. Nicely understated!

Payrolls disappoint again
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - U.S. employers expanded their payrolls for the fifth straight month in December, according to a government report Friday, but by a paltry amount, falling far short of Wall Street forecasts, even as unemployment fell.

Payrolls outside the farm sector grew by 1,000 jobs, the Labor Department said, compared with a downwardly revised gain of 43,000 in November. The unemployment rate fell to 5.7 percent, compared with 5.9 percent in November.

Economists, on average, expected 148,000 new jobs and an unemployment rate of 5.9 percent, according to Briefing.com
~~~~~~~~~
Note the down revision of November from 57,000 to 43,000.

[KayLaw]

56. Thanks, Maeve

Actually, I didn't notice the downwardly revised November number because I was in total shock from reading the December number. Wonder if it will be downwardly revised as well?

Mama mia!

[snippy]

58. I was trying to be gentle.

[cap]

52. Please explain...

what the model is... what the assumptions are...

what's the driver behind the growth creation... where are the jobs being created both on a regional basis and on an industrial sector basis...

what jobs are being created... walmart/burger flipping jobs ... hi tech... health/education....


show me the money!!!

just don't make a blanket statement without any facts and then I'll believe you...

Ph'd's love to discuss their models!!! :)

[KayLaw]

54. Oh Brother!

So much for listening to your friend, right? He was sure waaaay off the mark on this one! Only a measly one thousand jobs created instead of the 148,000 or whatever was predicted by these experts!

[noonwitch]

55. Even if he does get new jobs, it doesn't mean that they are good jobs.

A job as a Walmart cashier is not the same as a job in manufacturing, at least if the manfacturing company is unionized.

Also, a lot of us who still have jobs have had pay cuts and dealing with more job responsibility as others take advantage of early retirement and are not replaced.

Further, let's say you are one of the people who lost their job in the Bush recession. You were unemployed for 6 months to a year and get a new job finally. It still doesn't make up for the sacrifices you had to make in the meantime, the debts you may have run up, and other problems that may have occurred. People just need to remember that Bush totally destroyed the economy before it started to rebound.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

57. Bull. Check out Hotjobs or Monster

there are way fewer jobs now than in Dec. '02. I was looking for work back then too!

If there is a job gain, it was Christmas/Temp Help. If you're a professional, there's slim pickins' out there.

[EOTE]

59. Hey, your friend was only off by 15,000%.

That's really not a very bad record. Assuming your predictions are as reliable as your friend's, I'd say we have the 2004 election in a lock.

Nice try, though.

[cthrumatrix]

60. well.....i guess you need to get new friends....huge job disappointment

I wonder about alot of these posts in here...trying to stir the pot.

Next time...I'll just ask Ms Cleo and post on here.

[alcuno]

61. Come out, come out, wherever you are....................

1000 jobs? Please call your friend and get all the gory details.

[htuttle]

62. LOL!

I don't expect he'll be back...

I always wonder: Did he KNOW he was peddling a line of bullshit, or was he just a Useful Idiot?

I suppose it depends on his pay grade...

[leftchick]

63. Is this the report you are refering to??

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=578&e=4&u=/nm/20040109/bs_nm/economy_dc

Payrolls BARELY Rise, WORSE than Expected

<WASHINGTON (Reuters) - American employers barely took on any new workers in December, a disappointing government report on Friday showed, indicating the economic recovery has yet to translate into sustained jobs growth.

The unemployment rate fell to 5.7 percent, the lowest level in over a year and down from 5.9 percent in November. But this was largely due to people leaving the workforce, according to the Labor Department (news - web sites)'s report.

The number of workers on U.S. payrolls outside the farm sector in December increased by just 1,000, after a downwardly revised rise of 43,000 in November. It was the fifth consecutive monthly rise but was far worse than economist expectations of a rise of 130,000.

The poor report will likely be a headache for President Bush (news - web sites) as he seeks re-election in November with the economy -- specifically job creation -- expected to be a key issue in the run-up to the vote.

"This is a very disappointing jobs report," said John Person, head financial analyst, Infinity Brokerage Services, Chicago. >

......What the hell is your friend smoking?

[Cat Atomic]

65. There goes any chance, alright. For Dubya, that is.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

66. Just Heard Results on New England Cable News:

jobless claims down .2% BUT The Labor Department says this is from people who have dropped off the rolls.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/business/AP-Economy.html

<snip>
"The 0.2 percentage point drop in the jobless rate occurred only because fewer people were looking for work, the Labor Department said Friday. More than 300,000 people gave up their search for jobs and dropped out of the pool of available workers."

<snip>
"Weak holiday hiring by retailers was to blame for holding back job gains. Analysts were expecting companies to add 100,000 to 150,000 jobs to their payrolls last month. But the net gain was just 1,000 jobs."

[Junkdrawer]

67. So this was just another "my conservative friend" post...

Imagine that. Who would have guessed?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

69. Maybe he was channeling Leo too

:shrug:

[Kazak]

68. *shrugs*

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/employment/2004-01-09-unemployment_x.htm

[Bhaisahab]

71. sorry to disappoint you, but...

Unemployment Rate Falls; Few Jobs Added

By LEIGH STROPE, AP Labor Writer

WASHINGTON - The nation's unemployment rate dropped to 5.7 percent in December to the lowest level in 14 months, but employers finished the year without many help wanted signs for the holidays, adding just 1,000 new jobs.

The 0.2 percentage point drop in the jobless rate occurred because fewer people were looking for work, the Labor Department (news - web sites) said Friday. More than 300,000 people gave up their search for jobs and dropped out of the pool of available workers.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=&e=3&u=/ap/20040109/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy

[Screaming Lord Byron]

72. Is your friend's name Chicken Little, by any chance?

[Cocoa]

73. at this rate...

by November there will be 11,000 jobs created!

We're DOOMED!!!

[Skittles]

76. your friend needs to put down the crack pipe

and get himself a job he is GOOD at

[Beetwasher]

77. Let Me Take A Guess At What Happened Here

You don't really have a friend, there were no finanical models and you just took a shot with a wild ass guess that the job report was going to be phenomenal? Why do I have a feeling that we will see no further posts from you?

[HuckleB]

78. I had that feeling yesterday, but ignored my suspicions.

You're right on the money, I suspect.

[Skittles]

82. of course, said imaginary friend is a DEM

OOH

[Buffler]

79. Huge Gain!?!?!? HA!

What happened to that "huge gain" your wall street buddy was telling you about??!?!?!?

[West Coast Democrat]

80. Karl Rove's Underlings Were Busy Trying To Psyche Us Out

yesterday. No doubt the administration had some idea what the real numbers would be.

[JanMichael]

81. Your friend was so wrong his license should be revoked!

20 jobs per state average for December.

Wall Street had it's collective head up it's collective ass on this one.

[alfredo]

83. How does your friend like his crow, baked, fried, or broiled?

for my fellow Americans, I had hoped he was right.

It is getting scary folks.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

86. Financial models? Try asking supermodels next time!

[DrBB]

87. Oh god, the IRONY

Still waiting for David_REE to report back--hoping for more pearls of wisdom from his financial friend on Wall Street. He still have a job, this guy? I hear a lot of stockbroker jobs are heading for India along with all those IT ones. With skills like his, his own contribution to the dismal job record of this administration is just around the corner.

Poetic justice is a bitch, man.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

88. Let's keep this thread kicked.

Just in case the 'revised' figures magically appear.

[West Coast Democrat]

89. I'll bet this guy had inside info that the numbers would be awful

so he came here to post the exact opposite of what he knew to be true, just because he was pissed off and wanted to make us upset.

[West Coast Democrat]

95. He responds below

and apparently this "Wall Street friend" has now moved his prediction to January. Let's watch and see just how many months these analysts continue to be totally wrong.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

96. Same time next month, Xantha?

he sticks to his story, gotta give him props for his tenacity.

[Beetwasher]

100. No, He Doesn't Stick to His Story. He Moves the Goal Posts

Ooops, sorry, meant NEXT month...and so on...This may very well be the Chimp himself posting "Prosperity is right around the corner! You Dems are doomed I tells ya!"

[Screaming Lord Byron]

104. of course, what I really mean, he sticks to his story of having a Wall St

buddy with a PhD and that means Bush will definitely win the election.
Now that is consistency of vision!
Tunnel vision, but vision nevertheless!

[Beetwasher]

105. LOL!

It's hard to give up your imaginary friends! I had one until I was six, his name was Mr. Plant and he was a talking cactus...

[Cocoa]

116. his name is George...

George, um, George Glass! :-)

[Z-axis]

90. Not quite

Take the total wages being paid for this 'huge gain' in jobs, compare it with the total wages lost in the equal number of jobs that were previously lost and make that the newsworthy item.

As Edward Albee said: "Sometimes you have to go a long distance out of your way to come back a short distance correctly"

In this case, two steps backward to see the one step forward.
Or, as the courts should have said, I can't define pornography, but I know an obscenely inadequate salary when I see one.

z-axis

[alfredo]

91. Looks like we need

another tax break for the rich.

[David_REE]

93. Just got email back from him, quoting...

"We are all scratching our heads over the timing. Our (and consensus) predictions for 150-250K jobs per month will reflect within another month. Models based on 50 years of data don't break down very easily."

[KayLaw]

94. Let's hope he is right

I'm wondering about those models. If they're like the computer models that track hurricanes, they give an accurate forecast if faulty numbers are entered. Not just your friend, but a lot of people were terribly wrong about the jobs number.

I truly wonder if we didn't lose jobs in December, considering the downward revisions of the October and November numbers.

[West Coast Democrat]

97. Has your Wall Street friend looked at the Want Ads lately?

When does he expect these 150-250K jobs per month to be advertised?

[Buffler]

103. I hope he is right

and that explosive job growth happens. While it will be good for Bush, it will be better for those who are long suffering under him.

But I suspect that this friend of yours is an imaginary friend.

[alfredo]

107. The permanent loss of jobs overseas, and the realization that bosses can

push fearful workers until they drop, instead of rehiring one or two workers. they know they can withhold pay raises by threatening to move offshore.

this is why there are recessions in the first year of Republican president terms. Look it up, there is a clear pattern. They know recessions put more power in the hands of the bosses.

[DrBB]

108. Apparently the November ones have been adjusted downward too

According to NPR.

And then there's the question of what KIND of jobs and at what cost. A while back I saw a report that every $50K job created by the tax cut would cost something like $75K. Not such a hot deal, really.

Still, I hope there's something to what you say. I've got a lot of friends in IT who have been out for a year or more.

[snippy]

111. Your friend is lying to you.

You quote him as saying:

Our (and consensus) predictions for 150-250K jobs per month. . .

This is a false statement about what the consensus forecast was. The remainder of his statements likely indicate only ignorance rather than mendacity.

[Ms. Clio]

112. you get funnier by the day

Please keep us posted when all the PhDs stop scratching their heads.

[Capn Sunshine]

101. Hey, I work in finance, and I know this is a crock

even non financial types can see the Bush economic miracle is mainly smoke and mittors, and what fluffy feel good news ther is is built on a facade.

There's nothing there.

I hedge capital for a living and I'll tell you right now the stock market is totally fluff; the only good news out there is due to the deteriorating condition of the economy, bonds, which I'm long across the spectrum from December Lows, will continue their strength.

This means interest rates are staying low for some time, probably through the election.

My estimation of the main electoral concerns are :
Economy and the crashing dollar
Economy and the huge trade imbalance - twin deficits
Economy and continued outsourcing of jobs
Economy and worsening domestic unemployment
Economy and huge credit debt loads in every household

and oh yeah, a toxic Iraq quagmire, which will undermine or expose to light the war industry's dodge that "we're at war against terror"

[mrgorth]

102. Where is this coming from?

I heard a number of 1K today.

[alcuno]

110. This was someone's prediction on Thursday.

Stunningly wrong.

[TahitiNut]

106. As of TODAY, we're up to 10 million jobs off the growth curve

This means that the Bush Regime has (arguably) 'presided' over the greatest economic disenfranchisement of labor's beneficial participation in our increasingly "privatized" enronomy since the Great Depression. This fascist regime worships accumulated capital and punishes those who create it. :grr:

Here's the picture (for people who can read graphs) ...

[alfredo]

113. i don't see much improvement until spring. How much it will help

non farm employment, who knows.

[rumguy]

114. hahahahahahaha Ha Ha!

your "friend" was right on, wasn't he.

LOL - you just made me weekend..ha ha

[are_we_united_yet]

115. Can your friend pick some stocks for me to hold?

I'll be sure to sell them.