Lou Dobbs is chewing some butt

[Blue_Roses]

I have never seen him get this fired up, actually didn't know he ever got that fired up, but he just slammed Tom Donohue (CEO of chanber of commerce). They are talking about the new illegal alien talks by Bush and Lou is mad! Go Lou!

Anybody see it?

[Leilani]

1. Yes

I watch him every night. He is PRO American worker, & he pounds on this issue every night. He's one of few people talking about exported jobs, illegal aliens, & shrinking middle class.

[goforit]

2. Lou.....never stop! one day at a time!!....I'm gonna start watching for..

the very first time in 2 years!!!

Thats a long time to be off television!!!

[Marlie]

3. He's been amazing the last month or so

Really going after outsourcing and the diminishing of the middle
class. I can't believe the change in him and wonder why CNN is
allowing him to actually go full steam ahead against the Bush
policies.

[Blue_Roses]

5. He made the comment sarcastically

to this guy, "glad you're not here to prop up the President," whoaaa, that one took me back. The guy responded by saying, " no I don't always prop up the President." WOW~

[_Jumper_]

4. Dobbs is obssessed with immigration

I wonder why...

[Blue_Roses]

7. can you explain

what you mean?

[_Jumper_]

12. He repeatedly talks about immigration in a negative manner

His show talks about it more than "Buchanan and Press" did!

[Jim Sagle]

13. Maybe 'cause we don't need much of it right now?

[Blue_Roses]

14. that was the exact point Lou was making

with the unemployment rate so high here, why bring in "slave" labor(paraphrasing here) to perpetuate the problem with low wages being paid to US citizens, let alone the poor to nothing wages illegal aliens make.

I agree.

[_Jumper_]

16. Did we need it when your family came here?

;)

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

6. "Who's Looking Out For You?" LOU DOBBS.

I've seen the last three days worth of shows (as the result of folks discussing him here) and this guy ROCKS. He is tough. He is smart. He is articulate. He stands his ground and keeps his guests on a short leash without showboating like the Fox guys. Yesterday he ran the scrolling list of companies who have jumped on the offshore bandwagon and commented (with genuine sadness) and said "this is a long list...maybe someday we should run a list of companies who AREN'T doing this." A class act. The guy that Bill O'Reilly SHOULD be under all the swagger. It was a genuine treat watching him tear Donahue a new one as he entered LOU'S "No Spin Zone."
:yourock:

[Elwood P Dowd]

11. He's been doing this for months

He is the only voice out there on a daily basis. He's dressed down
Senators, Congressmen, cabinet members, makes no difference. When
they try to pi$$ in his pocket and tell him it's raining, he jumps
deep in their do do.

[Triana]

8. Lou's been beating up on bu$hit about jobs...

...for a while now. He's definitely worth tuning into. SOMEBODY has to call *resident (W)easel on his enronomic bu$hit and Dobbs has been doing a pretty darned good job of it.

[Sugarbleus]

9. I watched him yesterday...

and his hair was standing on end...LOL He nearly came outta his skin blasting back at his guests. I then wrote him a "you go" email. I am particularly interested in how he is keeping score over how many, many, mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnny companies are going over seas and/or outsourceing AMERICAN JOBS.

[Dookus]

10. Lou Dobbs is an ass...

and when he talks about immigration, he gets so personally involved in the fight that he starts sputtering.

I really DO wish every undocumented worker could afford to take a week off. We'd see the California economy collapse that quickly.

[alfredo]

18. Bush's policies have been from the start, to drive down wages.

The recession did it to some extent, and so has outsourcing, but this move is the next attack on the living wage. I have nothing against immigration, we need new ideas here.

Bush's move has nothing to do with improving the lives of everyday Americans or immigrants, it has everything to do with securing cheap, compliant labor for the robber barons.

[Dookus]

19. Or...

it may be that he realizes we have upwards of 8 million people here working who can't be rounded up and marched back to Mexico and Central America.

I know it's anathema to many people here but George W. Bush is right on this issue. It's a start. We need more. But the people sacrificing their lives and their labor to work here need to be dealt with.

New immigrants have ALWAYS done the low-paying, back-breaking labor. We're not forcing them to do it. They choose to. We should make sure we treat them well and they should be entitled to draw back a little of the sweat equity they're putting into this country.

[Blue_Roses]

20. they may be choosing to do it,

HOWEVER, I do think by lowering wage standards we are INDEED "forcing them to do it," since we haven't "ironed out" our own grievances with low wages.

[Dookus]

21. When you figure out a solution

to our problems with low wages, give me a holler.

There will ALWAYS be shitty jobs. In the last century and a half, MY ancestors did them. Now Mexican immigrants are doing them. I have great respedct for them for doing so.

I suppose we can just decree that they all make $15/hour, but then the jobs are lost altogether. There are no easy answers.

I, personally, have great respect and honor for people who risk their lives to come here and better their situation.

[Blue_Roses]

32. I WILL definitely

let you know if I figure out a solution:), but in the meantime, I think it's important to put some of this into perspective. I lived in Texas for 10 years--during Bush's governorship and the disasterous 2000 election and I know Bush is out for the hispanic vote. Pure and simple. More coming...looking for a link...

[sendero]

34. heard a report yesterday...

... in which several immigrants were interviewed about this. Every one (of the ones played, editing is a possiblity) said that basically, they had heard these promises before, that nothing would actually happen, and that this was simply election year politics.

What does it say about the average American when recent immigrants understand our political system better than we do.

[Blue_Roses]

36. Bingo!

Here ya go:

George W. Bush Commits To Free Trade With Latin America
August 25, 2000

"Should I become president, I will look south, not as an afterthought, but as a fundamental commitment of my presidency. Just as we ended the great divide between East and West, so today we can overcome the North-South divide. This begins with a renewed commitment to democracy and freedom in this hemisphere -- because human freedom, in the long run, is our best weapon against poverty, disease and tyranny. . . . "

-snip-

The United States is destined to have a "special relationship" with Mexico, as clear and strong as we have had with Canada and Great Britain. Historically, we have had no closer friends and allies.
And with Canada, our partner in NATO and Nafta, we share, not just a border, but a bond of good will. Our ties of history and heritage with Mexico are just as deep.

-snip-

"To strengthen that bond, our two countries need a meeting at the highest level, shortly after the American election -- even before the new presidents of our nations are inaugurated. Should I be elected, I will use that November summit to keep Mexican-American relations moving forward. We must talk about the availability and cleanliness of water on both sides of the border, about opening the promise of Nafta to small businesses and entrepreneurs, about economic development in areas of Mexico that send illegal immigrants to this country, about improving health and criminal justice in both nations."

More...

http://www.australianpolitics.com/news/2000/00-08-25.shtml

Okay, did I miss something, 'cause if I recall correctly shortly after he got into office he and Vicente Fox had a "small" falling out over an illegal alien who was to be executed here for his crime? Hmm...don't ever remember that "special relationship" happeneing.

This is just one of many of his speeches during election year that he promises to "help the immigrants." If he really wanted to "help" the poor, then he would start with his own country. I'm all for anyone coming to our country to try and better themselves, but not for propaganda reasons. I've seen the "downside" of immigration also. Living in south Texas, I've seen more than my share of poverty. Why is it possible for someone who speaks ONLY Spanish to get a driver's license when the signs are in ENGLISH. If they are to come to our country, I think it should be under the stipulation that they LEARN English for one. Many jobs in Texas REQUIRE that one be bilingual before getting a job.

[PsN2Wind]

37. Arizona

You'll see a lot more jobs that require bilingualism than require English .

[SummerGrace]

15. A living wage...

But for all the world, the president's idea of an immigration policy sounds like a national job fair for those businesses and farms that don't want to pay a living wage and for those foreigners who correctly think U.S. border security is a joke and who are willing to break our laws to live here.
~Lou Dobbs
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/articles/040112/12dobbs.htm

[pocoloco]

17. I don't think I saw Lou smile one time today and he also said

goodbye to the last US Levi factory. Buchanan is not a happy camper either, I guess I should read his book.

[imax2268]

22. Oh yea...

I agree...he is getting the word out there...I have been tuning into him just about every night that I can and the last show was great...he really reemed some ass...!!

Good Job Lou...!!!

Now if they could just get rid of Paula Zahn...I'd be much happier...

[calimary]

30. Well, maybe Lou Dobbs has finally seen the light... part of it, anyway.

I've seen enough of him in the last couple of years to feel that he's only now starting to pull his head out of his ass.

I remember shows where he sanctimoniously carried on about how proud he was to wear his flag lapel pin and show his American favoritism. I remember many shows where he spent most of the time worshipping at the First Church of st. george.

OCCASIONALLY he'd rag on Enron and other CEOs who were evading justice. And he was uniquely positioned to make a HUGE stink about the SEC and Kenny-Boy and all those other fun folks who ripped off their employees and their stockholders and pensioners all over America. He was uniquely positioned to go after bush, bigtime, about the whole Harken Energy affair and the insider trading bush did that was NOT ANYWHERE NEAR "fully vetted" (as the First Liar would say). He could have been like a dog on a pants leg about that, and really made noise and got action going and got people's dander up, so something meaningful was accomplished that carried even the appearance of justice served. But for the most part he was just another media whore burning incense to bush, pro-war, pro-administration, pro-consevative, and pro-Oh, Look At The Stock Market! The Economy's Booming Again! Now, he's at least starting to do the right thing with his corporate coverage. I have my doubts about how long he appears to remain enlightened. I'm not convinced yet. It's gratifying to see that he seems to be seriously bothered by this and raising hell about it. Took him long enough. But he'll have to do a LOT more, for a LOT longer, on these issues before he eases my suspicions.

I DO, however, LOVE that crawl toward the end of the show, naming dozens of corporations that have sent American jobs overseas. THAT should be a nightly feature.

As for Paula (acts like she's still at Pox News) Zahn, I wouldn't mind seeing that simpering blonde twit get the heave-ho.

[lapauvre]

23. This, I hope, is the last post tonight

My best friend doesn't think too much of Lou Dobbs.

Except for his on-going exporting of American jobs, and the names of the corporations doing so, my friend doesn't usually care for him....
We did like that portion of his show.

Tonight, and for the past couple of days, he has been really vigorous about this illegal alien thing.

And he is correct. On point. I checked out La Raza, and they are ticked. In one of my right wing groups, the republicans are ticked. And the democrats are ticked as well.

I don't know who else GWB could tick off, but it seems the entire country, as well as to the country whose citizens he would invite to be slave labor (comparatively) to our law breaking employers who treat them as less than human.

As I asked in wonderment, "Where was his head?" when we decided to "liberate" (occupy) Iraq, from the Sunni despot, did we not realize that the Shiites were those in control of Iran?

I ask now, where on earth did GWB come up with this totally repugnant idea to try to get the Latino vote.

Where is this guy's head?

Where are his advisor's heads?

An obscene expression comes to mind, but I won't post it in this lovely room.

I can understand all of the objections, from La Raza, the democrats, and the republicans. But what is important, is that WE, THE PEOPLE need to be in charge.

So vote. Okay.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

31. Let's do the math, shall we?

1. No jobs (see today's news) = jobless recovery
2. No WMD, dead American soldiers, billions to rebuild Iraq, increase of Anti-American sentiment worldwide, alienation of former "global partners" = OOOPS!
3. Faulty "immigration plan" receiving a "this is not what we want" response from many, many, many Hispanics as well as angered Liberals AND Conservatives = not as many "Latino Votes" as anticipated.

Where is Bush's head? Look around the room, find Karl Rove.

Where are his advisors' heads? Hmmm...Rove, Chaney, Rumsfeld...I tend to agree with the article on the front page of DU today...Bush's advisors (or, if you prefer, his "Axis of Evil") just seem to think that we, the American People, are stupid. That explains a lot, don't you think?

[Clark4VotingRights]

24. I was skeptical at first, but he really seems to care about these issues

Outsourcing, immigration, 'Merkan jobs, etc.

[Speed8098]

25. Dobbs is right, * 's wrong

There are a couple of posters here that don't seem to get it. Let me spell it out for you.

Illegal immigration is wrong for a number of reasons, but this "temporary worker" bullshit is the pits.

What's happening is that the corporate buddies of * have decided to bring the wages of lower middle class workers down. If you can't see the detriment to this idiotic plan, then you need to take a closer look.

This is not anti-immigrant, it is anti-"ILLEGAL" immigrant.

[Dookus]

26. Hi speed...

I think it's possible for all of us to mean well and come to different conclusions.

I have no idea what Bush's motives are, nor do I know what your's are. But I know mine.

I'd like to see hard-working, well-meaning people who had the misfortune of being born a few hundred miles south of "perfect" be able to make their way into our society.

If they're already here, working hard, obeying the law (aside from immigration law) and trying to imnprove their lot in life, then I think we should do what we can to help them.

They're good people who are contributing a lot to our society and our economy. As far as I'm concerned, that makes them good Americans.

I welcome them, and I wish them the best.

[PsN2Wind]

27. As a person who has worked

in a packing house, in construction, and in manufacturing, all which are employing many immigrants, both legal and illegal, I feel I can fairly ask you, what is the your plan for the citizen workers they displace?

[Dookus]

28. That's a very legitimate question....

I would propose that there shouldn't be a disparity in pay between mexicans and americans. That would help.

If anybody is found to be paying a lesser wage to immigrants than they pay to citizens, then they should be punished severely.

I would even suggest revoking their corporate status.

But I will argue, and apparently I'm alone in this here on DU, that we need immigrant workers, and that forcing them to live underground is not helpful to our society.

We need a national minimum wage, which should apply to immigrant workers. If they want to do the work for the price and "anglo" americans don't, then the mexicans deserve the job.

I live in California, very near a large agricultural center. Believe me, Anglo's are not lining up for the jobs available. And I don't mean "most" anglos. I mean NO anglo's. It's low-paying back-breaking work and it wouldn't be done if we didn't have our immigrant laborers.

If our Mexican friends and neighbors are willing to do it, more power to them. I hope our money improves their situation and that of their families back home. They are building a large amount of sweat equity in our nation, and they deserve to benefit from it.

[PsN2Wind]

29. It's called trickle up economics

An illegal comes in and displaces a legal immigrant from his job. The legal immigrant then goes to the employer of a citizen doing unskilled work and offers to do it for less. That person then goes after someone elses job and as this works up thru the system, the business owner, corporation, whatever, gets a boost in their bottom line as people compete for jobs on the basis of how cheap they will work. That's what you want, dog eat dog in the working class, so the fat cats can get even fatter and to hell with your fellow citizens. Lazy bastards don't deserve a job anyhow, Huh?
How about we take it a step further. As a retiree, I pay a significant part of my income for property taxes. How about they get cut by half because why should I support schools for someone elses kids, we can get all the educated people we need or want from India.

[progressivejazz]

33. Nice post.

And right on target.

Mind if I steal the part about importing our educated class? It's the first time I've seen that argument, and I intend to use it.

[PsN2Wind]

35. You're are welcome

to use ANY of my feeble mutterings.