Open your mouth a little wider when you speak.

[BigMcLargehuge]

[m-jean03]

1. Cool. I forget, who was he addressing with that line?

"We are the music makers...We are the dreamers of dreams..."

[BigMcLargehuge]

2. Mike TeeVee

[FleshCartoon]

3. Doesn't...

...Mike Tee-Vee look like Jay Leno would have looked as a child?

I even checked about two years ago or so to see if he had done this movie as a child.


I love Willie Wonka. I'm very dubious about the remake with Johnny Depp coming soon. I like Johnny Depp, but I just don't think he can top Wilder's performance.

[m-jean03]

4. It will be very different.

No one will ever be Wilder, that man is SOO unique and fabulous.

But I am curious how they re do it, it should be interesting.

Does anyone know if it will be a musical? :shrug:

[supernova]

9. No Musical

Burton says he's playing it straight. Well, straight as a Tim Burton film can be! :D ;-)

It's called Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Burton wants to do a more faithful adaptation of the book. Supposedly, Dahl himself wasn't happy with the way the Gene Wilder version turned out. I don't think it was because of Wilder specifically, though.

Burton wants to make a darker film. And who better than Johnny?

[m-jean03]

12. Thanks for the info.

I think it will actually be very good.
I love Wilder, I love the music, the first version is a
classic and a masterpiece.

Still, remakes are always interesting and can
be done quite well. Depp & Burton are a great team!

[tjwash]

14. No one could have played that role except Gene Wilder.

It was almost as good as his Leo Bloom in "The Producers"

[BigMcLargehuge]

5. he needs more chin to look like young leno

See "american hot wax" for an early 20s leno to see how his chin was so prominent then.

I can't say I am looking forward to the remake either. I think I'll just sit home and watch the widescreen DVD of the original instead. Wilder was so good as Wonka, I can't imagine anyone else in the role.

[FleshCartoon]

6. I'm with you on that.

I'm a big Johnny Depp fan, but some things just shouldn't be remade, IMO.

Wilder is too perfectly irreverent as Wonka.

[m-jean03]

7. he's so delightfully fey . . .

Song and dance men, I love 'em. :D

[BigMcLargehuge]

8. irreverent is a great description for Wilder's performance

He displayed pathos, disconnectedness, love, anger, skepticism, enthusiasm, childlike wonder, and rotated through these emotions as the film went on.

He never felt regret though, which I ALWAYS thought was interesting.

A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men...

[m-jean03]

10. But in the end, we see that Wonka was really a good

and kind person, and he was just waiting for a nice, honest boy like Charlie to
cure his disillusionment & carry on his legacy.

I always felt this film was something of an allegory . . .

Each of those kids with their bad habits symbolized something each of
us must lose if we want to obtain the ultimate. . . inheriting
"the chocolate factory" -- merely a metaphor for earthy paradise!

Perhaps I read too much into this, though. . . :P

[FleshCartoon]

19. No, I don't think so...

...Wonka could cut through the bullshit and find out who was pure and who wasn't. O8)

[Rabrrrrrr]

27. Yes! Right on - no regrets!

I never thought of it that way, but you have hit on a very important truth - Willy Wonka never regrets what happens at any time. He is TOTALLY honest, knowing that sometimes the bad have to be put down. It's a somewhat childish either/or morality he has, but yet it's also a very mature, developed "no bullshit" pragmatic ethic.

Thanks for pointing that out!!

[BigMcLargehuge]

28. :)

thanks man! I was beginning to think i was nuts.

Charlie - What's going to happen to the other kids? Agustus? Veruca?

Willy - My dear boy, I promise you they'll be quite all right. When they leave here, they'll be completely restored to their normal, terrible old selves. But maybe they'll be a little bit wiser for the wear. Anyway, don't worry about them.

[icymist]

11. Naah. Mike Tee-Vee dosen't have as big a chin as Jay.

n/t

[tjwash]

13. "The suspense is terrible.......I hope it lasts"

Remember that one?

[m-jean03]

15. Yes!!!

Everything about that movie, and Gene Wilder, is PRICELESS! :loveya:

[Richardo]

18. Mrs. TeeVee: "What IS this, some kind of fun house?"

Wonka: "Why? Having fun?"
:D

[tjwash]

16. My my, two nasty horrible children gone...

...three good, sweet little children left.

[tjwash]

17. Hmm, they always turn into blueberries. Ah well, a few more tests.

All right, no more...

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

20. Didn't anyone actually READ the book?

While Wilder's performace is exceptional, after I saw the movie, I went back and picked up Dahl's book again. Willy Wonka, in the book, was quite different than Willy Wonka in the movie.
I loved the movie, but it's nothing like the book. I liked the book even more, and when I compare the illustrations of WW in the books, (there were at least two, but the second one was rather bad,) Depp will be a near perfect interpretation of the literary Wonka.
As I said, I loved the book. I loved the movie, but I don't think the movie was as close to the book as it should have been.

[FleshCartoon]

21. I didn't read the book...

...but that's probably because I didn't know there was one.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

23. You should...Dahl is a superb author...

But like I said, it's different than the movie.
They're both excellent, but quite different than each other.

[FleshCartoon]

24. Normally...

...if I like a book, I prefer not to see the movie and vice versa.

But since it's been 30 years or more since the movie came out, I'll have to check it out.

Maybe it will help me appreciate the Depp/Burton version.

[Hailtothechimp]

29. I'm reading it to my 5 year old now.

I notice that the book is "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" because the hero/protagonist is a young boy (it's a children's book, after all). But the movie is "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" to pump up/acknowledge Gene Wilder's role in the movie. A subtle difference, but important to recognize when comparing the two.

[Servo300]

22. I thought it was...

"You'll have to speak a little louder, I'm a trifle deaf in this ear."

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

25. Oh I've got a golden ticket!!

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

26. Augustus, save some room for later!