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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 05:05 AM
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How would you answer a Freeper-type post like this?
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 05:05 AM by Archae
Tragic French Offensive Stalled on Beaches (Normandy, France - June 6, 1944)
- Pandemonium, shock and sheer terror predominate today's events in Europe.
In an as yet unfolding apparent fiasco, Supreme Allied Commander, Gen. Dwight
David Eisenhower's troops got a rude awakening this morning at Omaha Beach
here in Normandy.

Due to insufficient planning and lack of a workable entrance strategy,
soldiers of the 1st and 29th Infantry as well as Army Rangers are now bogged
down and sustaining heavy casualties inflicted on them by dug-in insurgent
positions located 170 feet above them on cliffs overlooking the beaches which
now resemble blood soaked killing fields at the time of this mid-morning
filing.

Bodies, parts of bodies, and blood are the order of the day here, the screams
of the dying and the stillness of the dead mingle in testament to this
terrible event.

Morale can only be described as extremely poor--in some companies all the
officers have been either killed or incapacitated, leaving only poorly
trained privates to fend for themselves.
Things appear to be going so poorly that Lt. General Omar Bradley has been
rumored to be considering breaking off the attack entirely. As we go to press
embattled U.S. president Franklin Delano Roosevelt's
spokesman has not made himself available for comment at all, fueling fires
that something has gone disastrously awry.

The government at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is in a distinct lock-down mode
and the Vice President's location is presently and officially undisclosed.
Whether the second in command should have gone into hiding during such a
crisis will have to be answered at some future time, but many agree it does
not send a good signal.

Miles behind the beaches and adding to the chaos, U.S. Naval gunships have
inflicted many friendly fire casualties, as huge high explosive projectiles
rain death and destruction on unsuspecting Allied positions.
The lack of training of Naval gunners has been called into question numerous
times before and today's demonstration seems to underlie those concerns.
At Utah Beach the situation is also grim, elements of the 82nd and 101st
Airborne seemed to be in disarray as they missed their primary drop zones
behind the area believed to comprise the militant's front lines. Errant
paratroopers have been hung up in trees, breaking arms and legs, rendering
themselves easy targets for those defending this territory.

On the beach front itself the landing area was missed, catapulting U.S.
forces nearly 2,000 yards South of the intended coordinates, thus placing
them that much farther away from the German insurgents and unable to direct
covering fire or materially add to the operation.

Casualties at day's end are nothing short of horrific; at least 8,000 and
possibly as many as 9,000 were wounded in the haphazardly coordinated attack,
which seems to have no unifying purpose or intent. Of this number at least
3,000 have been estimated as having been killed, making June 6th by far, the
worst single day of the war which has dragged on now--with no exit strategy
in sight--as the American economy still struggles to recover from Herbert
Hoover's depression and its 25% unemployment.

Military spending has skyrocketed the national debt into uncharted regions,
lending another cause for concern. When and if the current hostilities
finally end it may take generations for the huge debt to be repaid.
On the planning end of things, experts wonder privately if enough troops were
committed to the initial offensive and whether at least another 100,000
troops should have been added to the force structure before such an audacious
undertaking. Communication problems also have made their presence felt making
that an area for further investigation by the appropriate governmental
committees.

On the home front, questions and concern have been voiced. A telephone poll
has shown dwindling support for the wheel-chair bound Commander In Chief,
which might indicate a further erosion of support for his now three year-old
global war.

Of course, the President's precarious health has always been a question. He
has just recently recovered from pneumonia and speculation persists whether
or not he has sufficient stamina to properly sustain the war effort. This
remains a topic of furious discussion among those questioning his competency.
Today's costly and chaotic landing compounds the President's already large
credibility problem.

More darkly, this phase of the war, commencing less than six months before
the next general election, gives some the impression that Roosevelt may be
using this offensive simply as a means to secure re-election in the fall.
Underlining the less than effective Allied attack, German casualties--most of
them innocent and hapless conscripts--seem not to be as severe as would be
imagined. A German minister who requested anonymity stated categorically that
"the aggressors were being driven back into the sea amidst heavy casualties,
the German people seek no wider war."
"The news couldn't be better," Adolph Hitler said when he was first informed
of the D-Day assault earlier this afternoon.
"As long as they were in Britain we couldn't get at them. Now we have them
where we can destroy them."
German minister Goebbels had been told of the Allied airborne landings at
0400 hours.
"Thank God, at last," he said. "This is the final round."
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leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 05:15 AM
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1. sounds like
it would be a fairly accurate report at the time

what is there to respond to?
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 05:24 AM
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2. No one said the Germans would greet US troops
"as liberators."

Saddam wasn't Hitler--i.e. no VX rockets, no massive military, etc.
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 05:25 AM
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3. My response would be.
I see your trying to rewrite history again.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 05:35 AM
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4. Hitler invaded a soveriegn nation, and occupied it, ...
and installed a puppet government ...


Bush invaded a sovereign nation, and occupied it, and installed a puppet government ...


This is a silly and fallacious attempt to correlate historical events of great moment, to the duplicitous warmongering of a dishonest US cabal ....

D-Day was TRUE liberation by evicting an occupying army ...

Iraq was an INVASION by an occupying army ...
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I thought so. Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 05:37 AM
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5. I always send..
the Bush resume from Snopes. It is an honest review of that loser. 90% negative. G.Bush has nothing to do with WWII. His father bailed out and left his crew to die. These people have no shame.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 06:00 AM
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6. Nothing to respond to...
This is a freeper fantasy that invading Iraq is somehow an event of D-Day proportions. Simply stated, it isn't. In 1944 we were a liberating force. In 2003, we were the invader, analogous more to Hitler running through Poland than FDR into France.

Sadly for our sons and daughters, wives and husbands, sisters and brothers, we may well in the not too distant future be analogous to the forces manning the Atlantic Wall.

DAMNIT I hate this shit. The people that died in this event do not deserve to have their memory perverted by this asshole and his sheep. Fuck. Them. All.

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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:02 AM
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7. Here's another rewrite of WW2 history,
that bears on this Iraq invasion:

"Imagine these startling headlines with the nation at war in the Pacific six months after Dec. 7, 1941: “No Signs of Japanese Involvement in Pearl Harbor Attack! Faulty Intelligence Cited; Wolfowitz: Mistakes Were Made."

Or how about an equally disconcerting World War II headline from the European theater: "German Army Not Found in France, Poland, Admits President; Rumsfeld: ‘Oops!’, Powell Silent; ‘Bring ’Em On,’ Says Defiant FDR."
>
>

Naturally, this comes from a flaming liberal rag: Pat Buchanan's The American Conservative! http://www.amconmag.com/2_2_04/article3.html

pnorman



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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:17 AM
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8. Point out we expected heavy losses...
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 07:23 AM by DarkPhenyx
...unlike Iraq where we were told it was going to be easy.

You might also want to point out that, if not for the French, it would have been a failure. The French Resistance did a hell of a lot of prep work that saved a great many allied lives that day. He shold make sure to thank every Frenchman he meets.

<on edit>

You might also point out that even with all the losses it wasn't a bad performance for for waht aws, at the beginning of the war, the 12th most powerful military in the world. The the worlds only superpower as we had in Iraq.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:43 AM
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9. I would hit the delete button
There are way too many people who aren't total idiots who need to be mobilized to vote to waste time arguing with morans.
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