music downloaders.. question.

[AntiBushRepub]

Does anyone have any info on the CD ripping crew who call themselves "RNS"?

Do they have a website or anything?

They are usually the very first ones to get albums out in MP3 before the albums come out.. they got the Eminem Show a week before it came out...they usually get stuff way early... they had the most recent Korn album about a full 2 months prior

I am trying to get the new Obie Trice that comes out Sept 23rd, although I'm sure by now they're sleeping with the masters under their pillow.

_AN

[proud patriot]

1. I don't download music I buys CDs

Welcome Underground though :hi:

[AntiBushRepub]

2. Thanks....

I buy music, too....

But the idea here is to get the music before it's released because... well.. patience is just not something I'm that good at... I'm an 'instant gratification' type guy, unfortunately...

On a side note: I am really sick of the RIAA,in light of recent events. Im trying to figure out some way to get around them.. like maybe to download the CD and send the artist like 5 bucks directly (way more than they would normally get) Something to that effect.

And I will always buy certain ones I know I want the covers for...(I will definitely buy Obie when it comes out)

My desire for music greatly outweights my wallet size, so I HAVE to download music sometimes....

-An

[leftofthedial]

5. weak rationalizations for theft.

"instant gratification" -- sheesh!

there are reasons why records are released when they are.

If the artist has chosen (foolishly in my opinion) to work with a label, these can include legal reasons, marketing issue, distribution issues . . .

I suggest you wait until the record comes out and then buy your downloads legally. If waiting for a CD release date is the thing that tries your patience most in this life, you're a lucky person.

Don't forget, there often are other artists (producers, songwriters, session players, etc. who you rip off every time you download illegally.

I run a website that offers downloads for pay and pays the artists two to five times what a label would pay them. It is exclusively for independent artists though. I hope more artists choose to market their music directly and electronically online and start cutting the labels and the RIAA out of the picture (they are increasingly parasitic and irrelevant). Until then, though, do the artists the courtesy of allowing them to release the music when they want and always make sure the artists get paid.

[AntiBushRepub]

11. for the record

I think that website you run for indie musicians is a cool idea.

I'm totally down with that.

-An

[short bus president]

12. weak misappropriation of the word "theft"

"To steal" involves deprivation of material goods - someone who has something stolen from them no longer possess the stolen article. Copyright infringement may not be good manners, but it is NOT stealing.

[EOTE]

9. More power to ya...

I don't have much advice other than the standards... Kazaa, WinMX, LimeWire, Imesh.

Also, search the IRC threads for Obe Trice, you might find some info there.

I'm pretty f@cking sick of the RIAA now too and I'm doing just about anything in my power to piss them off. I think they made a big mistake angering the hacker community as they have. Those guys can hold a grudge.

[Abaques]

10. kazaalite

If you have windows, only use kazaalite. All the others are filled with spyware, adware and/or trojans.


I download to try music out before I buy it, but most of what I listen to isn't on the internet and isn't on RIAA labels.

Independent music will never die.

[ChesWickatWork]

3. Welcome to DU and just to let you know

This is a smart bunch of people and your post seems a bit like bait and since I don't think that is what you mean to do, I thought I'd warn you.

[newyawker99]

13. Hi ChesWickatWork!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Interrobang]

4. I download music...

...but all of my downloaded songs are legit -- I get 'em off the bands' websites, mostly, so I don't know anything about CD ripping. (You can get free MP3s from various bands if you know where to look!) If you're an RIAA plant, you ought to know that you don't own the entire music industry. In fact, I haven't bought an album from an RIAA-affiliated label in several years. You might say I'm part of that sales slump.

[AntiBushRepub]

6. awwe come on guys...

Bait? an RIAA plant?

Sheesh, a little paranoia around here?

Actually, looking back, I can understand why you'd think that the RIAA would do that, so I don't fault you for that. Bait however it's not. I dont do that.

Read all my other posts on here, I don't have alot but I do have close to 40, and just now did I touch on the downloading subject. I know you don't make it to 40 posts on DU having somewhat conservative views unless you keep a low-pro. That's why I hang in the lounge mostly, because I like the DU site.

I bet alot of the people who would slam me for downloading have drives full of MP3s.

I don't feel the slightest pang of guilt for downloading music. Maybe that makes me a bad person, I dont know. But I really could care less. I can't even imagine how much money I've spent on music in my life.. thousands...all the way back since my young teen/death metal days, punk and alternative, having purchased over 600 breakbeat and trance vinyl records that took me the last 7 years to collect... not to mention all the different shows/raves, everything else....

BTW, if I download it a week before it comes out, and then buy it on release date, is that still theft?

IMO, the word "theft" means to deprive somebody of something.. meaning they don't have it anymore. Downloading is NOT like walking into a store and putting a CD in your pocket and leaving or stealing from someones house.. in those cases YOU have it and THEY dont have it anymore.

Downloading maybe be copyright infringement, but if I download it.. the person I have downloaded it from still has it. It's duplication/dilution of supply.

The only things I am depriving anyone of is the record company and the artist of their money.

The record companies I could give two shits about, the artist, well if I like the artist alot I will always buy the CD's, T-Shirts, concert tickets, etc. And if I don't like it enough to buy, it's not my fault their music isn't in my taste. If I never would have bought in anyway, but download it, they havent lost anything they are no worse for wear.

Look, I'm not going to really honestly try and justify it or try to rationalize that downloading music is prim and proper. I'm just going to be frank and straightforward enough to admit that I don't give a crap, really. I have much more important things to worry about than whether P Diddy has 8 DVD players in his Escalade or 9. I can only afford to financially support an artist I really like. I especially could care less about coperate fat cats cooking up the next Britney Spears.

The point of this was that I found 2 songs off this CD and want the rest... I appologize if I offended anyone. I honestly did not intend to.

:evilgrin: rock -n- roll, baby.

-An

[LadeJarl]

7. In a few words..

You'll never find anyone who'll direct you to their FTP server, not web server. Groups like that don't operate with websites, at least not where you can find anything of value.

The only way into a group like that is to prove your worth, i.e provide the group with unpublished material over time. After you have proved yourself and been recommended by existing members, will you be able to access their "repository" of material.

Bottom line, you'll have to wait until someone posts it on the net, most likely in a newsgroup or until the album is released. These 2 things often happens at the same time.

[AntiBushRepub]

8. thanks. that makes sense....

I always wonder how it is that these things get out...but I know that anything on Kazaa with the "rns" tag is always the real deal.

I suspect it could be people at the CD plants who do the mass production...
That's where it seems like there are larger numbers of individuals who have access to all the tracks....

...or possibly from journalist copies leaking somehow.

I hear that Shady Records has gotten down to when a journalist is to review the record, they have to come and sit in a room and listen to it, but don't get to keep a copy.. before the days of MP3 I know they'd pass out advance copies well ahead of the release date to music mags, etc...

My how times have changed....

I hate to be so hard on the RIAA, but their brute force/"sue their grandma" approach has totally alienated me as a consumer...

My beef is with the record companies, never with the artists.

-An