If anybody watched the trek franchise in the saga's chronological order

[Deja Q]

how many would outright stop watching by the time they got halfway through "Enterprise" season 1?

I would.

Enterprise has no purpose or soul except to tie itself in directly with TNG, sound effects and all. :eyes:

Pike's one story lays the basis for TNG (intellectual, all white crew who have as much character as a robot...)

Kirk's era, TOS, has some cheezy storylines but at least has the unique trait of having some strong characters vying their viewpoints.

TNG has a lot of technobabble, robots as characters, amazingly has non-white character, and a lot of preachiness but at least manages to be entertaining. Except for the episode where a Klingon had to give blood because none of the more biologically compatible Vulcans could give blood to save a Romulan life or that Worf had redundant brain cells to save his life after a doctor brave enough to try something new gets chastized by holier-than-thou Crusher who was rightfully turned into a dog by Q at one point during the Wizard of Oz ripoff episode... :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: Of course, it was intellectual but they still couldn't handle the issues correctly. Even Pike's outing on breeding was far more interesting than keeping the Mintakans from seeing the duckblind and its aftermath... :eyes:

DS9 has nothing to offer except for a contrived lesbian kiss early in season 4.

Voyager has even less to offer except for a Native American who's really cute so that's what made it watchable! :D

It's ironic that the worst spinoff starts off the whole franchise that was technically started by a series which didn't realize it WAS reaching its target audience until it was re-ran in syndication.

[wyldwolf]

1. If you find all of Trek that bad...

...why would you wait 22 years worth of episodes to stop watching? :eyes:

[Deja Q]

7. I apologize, I was a bit harsh!

I do find a lot that's entertaining in TNG and that's what counts. (mostly seasons 2-4 and 7 though I can stand some of season 1) I was an avid viewer of TNG. All 7 seasons. Though watching them in re-runs, a lot of them have lost their charm. :-( Maybe partly because Berman and co are digging the dead horse so far into the earth... but that doesn't make sense because -

I sporadically watched DS9 and Voyager, but they were few and far between and I must've watched on the wrong weeks because they only cemented my cynical viewpoints about them. I did somewhat like season 7 of Voyager when it tried to be original or do something different, and I did catch the 5th season finale where the alien wanted revenge on Voyager because Janeway introduced its species to the Borg (that was good and, for a season finale, not a two-parter!) Again, if it weren't for yummy Robert Beltran I doubt I would have watched any episode beyond season 1. But I won't comment on "Flashback"...

[Systematic Chaos]

2. Ya know...

I kinda get the feeling that the classic Saturday Night Live skit where Shatner goes postal on the trekkies at the convention was scripted with you in mind.

Please don't get mad at me. But I couldn't resist. :)

[Deja Q]

8. LOL!

:D

The comment is better directed to all the people on the trek bbs who are ticked because Berman and co who originally tried to create a continuity squandered it.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

3. Now, where the hell did I put that hand phaser?

Apostate...

:evilgrin:

[TlalocW]

4. Yeah!

And that whole midi-chlorian crap to explain how the Force works? What's up with that?

TlalocW

[Maple]

5. Ya know....

It's only a TV show...and considering all the problems it encountered, it did very well.

I think they only fell down totally in the last one...so I don't watch it.

But while I liked all of the other variations...I don't obsess over them either!

[Deja Q]

9. True

But I'm a single social feeb with as much ability to be social as smelly foot mold... tell me something I haven't heard before about recovering from this particular impediment and I'll listen. :-)

I usually hang out in the British sci-fi forums, but once in a while I have to sit back and look at the Trekkies, of which I happen to be. :evilgrin:

[wyldwolf]

10. you should start a "I'm a trekkie, ask me anything" thread...

[unblock]

6. tos had a bit more

it did have an asian(sulu), a black(uhura), and a russian(chekov).

granted uhura was a glorified receptionist, but remember this was '60s tv. having a russian as a crew member was quite controversial.

as was the first interracial kiss (kirk/uhura) even if it was under duress.

[Deja Q]

11. Except

Chekov, in season 2, was a farce.

Fred Freiberger, usually maligned for taking Shatner to heart and making a mockery of Spock, did the right thing and make Chekov a SERIOUS character.

(I love the people telling me right now to "get a life". Read Shatner's memoirs and everything Shatner's critics have to say of him and Shatner's obviously far more in love with the saga than I'll ever be! Last I heard, Shatner's trying to bring in his own Trek series... and as Berman has nothing to do with that one, I'll readily give it a chance!)

[Maple]

14. Uhura was the communications officer

And to have a woman even ON the bridge as an officer was amazing!

She was black too...doubly shocking.

Chekov came in much later.

[wyldwolf]

15. Much later=second season...

[Champion Jack]

12. I worked on the first Star Trek movie....

and fell asleep at the cast and crew screening.

[wyldwolf]

13. The first one was BORING.....

...tried to be too cerebal. And the production was rushed.

[Maple]

16. Yeah, gawd forbid

we have a sci fi movie that's 'cerebral'

We wouldn't want to have thought, ideas or concepts involved in a genre totally unsuited for that sort of thing.

[wyldwolf]

17. *YAWN* Still, that was the knock against the first one...

and despite the negative reviews, it still managed to gross $82,258,456 in 1979.

[Maple]

19. You must be very young

Many of us kept the concept going and promoted it's return since we watched the originals in the sixties.

We didn't do it so kids could watch it as horse opera, and see them as video games on a big screen.

The purpose of sci-fi is to make the audience THINK...not get an itchy trigger finger.

[wyldwolf]

21. No, actually, I'm not very young...

And all I'm doing is staing facts. Did not say I shared the opinion. But you have an idea of what makes good sci-fi and I have mine.

[BigMcLargehuge]

20. I like the first one...

Even though it was a rewrite of the Nomad script (forgive me for not knowing the ep title and airdate... er... anyway.) I thought it showed how well the cast had matured. I liked the new captain, the new Enterprise.

I liked thinking through the film. I was a 11 when that hit the theaters, and I saw it, and I wasn't bored. I still watch it every now and then. In fact, it's the most often watched Trek fim in my house, now that I think about it.

[Paragon]

18. Gimme Kirk, Spock, and Bones...

The only series where the characters actually acted like humans (the aliens, too) instead of holier-than-thou archetypes.