ATTENTION: Central Texas DUers.....

[Gato Moteado]

...i'll be leaving texas very soon and i have a lot of nice furniture and other home furnishings that i won't be able to take with me. basically, i'm leaving the country at some point in the near future and i'll be selling just about everything i have.

anyone need furniture or stuff? anyone? anyone?

send me a message if you are interested....i'll let you know what i have.

[freedude]

1. Good Luck-

Can`t afford to buy anything from ya, but best `o luck- don`t blame you a bit for leaving. If I had the cash, I`d be in Canada right now- I can`t deal with these Bush ass licking redneck idiots too much longer-

[GOPisEvil]

2. DUDE!!!!! You KNOW I want some of your stuff!!!!

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

Do you have a price list? :D

[Gato Moteado]

3. one kick for the night crew....

...i'm almost ready to escape from texas!

[efhmc]

4. Bad for us and good for you. Are you in Austin? You should be able to

find college kids that need stuff unless MR. GIE gets it all.

[Gato Moteado]

5. my feeling is that all progressive texans should move to florida....

...i mean, we're never gonna be able to win texas in a presidential election, so we should flood into florida where we can overtake the republican filth in the next election.

as for me, i'm heading to central america....where the monkeys and toucans frolic in the trees, and the beaches are breathtaking.

[KCDem]

6. bullshit, we'll get it back!

I have great faith in this state... and that's saying a lot.

Yeah, I'm interested: TXLib and I just bought a house. What do you have? We need pretty much everything living room-ish.

[efhmc]

8. From your mouth to God's ear. Well not the bs part.

[KCDem]

9. I'm sure She's heard it before!

And in case she hasn't:

Our Mother, who art in Heaven:

Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit!

(Just some edumacation, Lord).


Humbly yours,
KCDem

[efhmc]

12. You are too cute.

[foxy]

10. Hey KCDem

did yawl finally get out of jersey village?:hi:

[efhmc]

7. The beaches there are the best. Best of luck to you. Too sad.

[carpetbagger]

11. Too humid for my wife.

At any rate, Texas will begin to tilt democratic before the end of this decade. Anglo population isn't growing much, most of the people who remembered the depression are already dead, and the Latino population will explode.

And we've got more tropical birds than they do.

[efhmc]

13. Are you a birder?

[Gato Moteado]

14. hmmmmmm......

it's probable that we get a wider variety of migratory species through here than florida does since we are the funnel for the eastern and western species to get down into mexico and central and south america. but, i doubt we have more tropical species in texas than they do in florida.

[carpetbagger]

15. No, we've got more tropical birds in Texas than Florida.

Here's the predominantly tropical, birds that regularly occur in at least some numbers in Florida and Texas (but not both). I'll even cut out western Texas (everything west of I-35) to eliminate the effect of Texas' greater size.

Texas (35):Least Grebe, Neotropic Cormorant,Black Bellied Whistling Duck, Muscovy, Hook Billed Kite, Harris Hawk, White Tailed Hawk, Chachalaca, White Tipped Dove, Inca Dove, Red-billed Pigeon, Red Crowned Parrot, Green Parakeet, Groove Billed Ani, Ferruginous Pygmy Owl, Pauraque, Buff Bellied Hummingbird, Green Kingfisher, Ringed Kingfisher, Vermillion Flycatcher, Brown Crested Flycatcher, Tropical Kingbird, Couch's Kingbird, Kiskadee, Green Jay, Brown Jay, Tamulipas Crow, Clay Colored Robin, Tropical Parula, White-collared Seedeater, Varied Bunting, Botteri's Sparrow, Bronzed Cowbird, Altamira Oriole, Audubon's Oriole,

Florida (18):Masked Booby,Brown Booby, Snail Kite, Short Tailed Hawk, Limpkin, Brown Noddy, WhiteCrowned Pigeon, Mangrove Cuckoo, Smooth billed Ani, Antillean Nighthawk, Black Whiskered Vireo, Shiny Cowbird, Spot-breasted Oriole, and (liberally counting) five species of self-sufficient parrot populations introduced from elsewhere (the only native parrot in Florida is extinct).

This is a rough list I put together merely by reading through a list of North American birds. I'm sure there's a few omissions, but the outcome's probably going to be the same.

[Gato Moteado]

16. that's amazing....

....i never would have guessed that texas had more established tropical birds than florida. i guess because we're butted up to mexico we have more of a chance of southern species expanding their range northward by following the land mass. while florida does have a good number of carribean species finding their way in over the atlantic, i'd imagine a good portion of florida's established exotic populations started out from pet store escapees, etc.

the lists you provided could be a bit suspect, though. for example, there's no doubt that muscovy ducks are well established in south florida. but, overall, i'm sure you are right. it's great to find other people interested in this sort of thing. what part of texas are you in?

anyways, here's a list of florida's exotic birds (listing species that are proven to be established and species that are not proven) that i thought you might like:
http://www.wildflorida.org/critters/exotics/resultsClass.asp?taxclass=B

[carpetbagger]

17. Regarding Muscovy Ducks...

There's a population of Muscovy in Northern Mexico that extends north to the Rio Bravo/Grande. They're wild Muscovy, unlike the ducks that populate ponds with a significant human presence (which are descended from previously domesticated Muscovy). The wild Muscovy Ducks, which look a little different, are actually quite shy. Florida has no wild populations of Muscovy, and the domesticated type generally are unable to successfully colonize areas without the continuing presence and support of humans.

I live in San Antonio.

Thanks for the link. The one thing I will say about Florida is that there are a huge number of strange pets that people keep, and the variety of escaped animals, particularly reptiles and birds, is amazing. It's similar to the large game diversity in the western Hill Country (e.g. Axis Deer, Aoudad, Nilgai). Well, except that people don't raise parrots and chameleons for other people to come and shoot.

[Gato Moteado]

18. have you seen the book....

entitled something like "the effects of man on the south florida herpetofauna"? it's about all the exotic reptile and amphibian species that have been released into the environment there. when i lived in miami i knew where there were breeding populations of green iguanas, ctenosaurus similis (spiny tailed iguanas), basiliscus basiliscus, basiliscus vittatus, basiliscus plumifrons, and dozens of other exotic species of anoles, skinks, geckoes and assorted lizards.

it was like living in a central american rainforest.

[carpetbagger]

22. No, but I used to have a Cuban False Chameleon in my yard.

I lived in Miami and Naples for several years.

The current Peterson Guide to Eastern Reptiles and Amphibians really shows the extent of established herps in South Florida. (If you haven't seen the current guide they've got out, it's put together very well, and covers all of Texas, including the Trans-Pecos).

[Gato Moteado]

23. Anolis equestris?

the cuban knight anole is what it sounds like you might have had. they're all over miami.

i don't have the latest peterson guide but i've looked through it. pretty cool.

in miami, at the site of the old crandon park zoo on key biscayne you can walk along the trails. last time i was there (a few years ago) i saw the highest population density of green iguanas i've ever seen anywhere. they were dropping from the trees by the dozens and crashing into the canal below as i walked along the trail .

[GOPisEvil]

19. Y'all should go see the stuff!!!

The small armoire coverted to stereo cabinet is MINE, MINE, MINE!!!! Muahahahahahaha! }(

[Gato Moteado]

20. oh that's right...

i forgot what this thread was originally about since it morphed into a discussion about exotic birds in texas and florida.

pretty cool how that happens, ain't it?

[GOPisEvil]

21. That's why thread-jacking is so much fun!

:-)