Did you know Madame Chiang Kai-Shek

[Dookus]

is STILL alive and living in NY?

She's 106 years old.

I don't know why, but I like telling people that.

[CanuckAmok]

1. That's amazing! what's her condition?! n/t

[Dookus]

4. I don't know...

I haven't heard anything about her recently.

I last heard her mentioned about 3 years ago, when she had an exhibit of her paintings shown in NYC (at age 103).

Also....

Leni Riefenstahl, the German propandist filmmaker just released a book of UNDERWATER photos. She's 100 years old. Still SCUBA diving.

[JackSwift]

6. Leni Riefenstahl

turned over another odometer click, now 101. Only the good die young.

[Kellanved]

20. She died last night

I don't think that she's worth her own thread, so
:kick: :nopity:

[Zuni]

2. At least Madame Mao

is gone...she was the archetype of an evil, scheming dictator's wife. Some one should make a movie about her and her witchunts and persecutions with the Gang of Four.
Right after Mao died she was arrested for her crimes.

[CanuckAmok]

7. There is a documentary...

... I saw it in high-school. It was mostly about the Gang of Four, but it focused on Mme. Mao, and her crimes.

Sorry, I can't rememeber the name of it it, but it's out there..

[Zuni]

13. I would love to see it.

I have not been able to find any books specifically about the cultural revolution, the Gang of Four or Mme. Mao in itself. All the books I have are vague histories of communist china (as there is still much locked away there) or rather good pieces in other books. I think Mme. Mao would be a great charecter in a movie---and I would love to find something that tells me a little more about her.

[Zuni]

3. She was very well known

in the 1930s and 1940s. I believe she became very famous then when she toured the country speaking to get America to intervene after Japan invaded.

[Dookus]

5. Yup!

And she addressed the US congress in 1943.

Her sister was married to Dr. Sun Yat-Sen.

[dArKeR]

8. I'm an Abian and not a Gua Ming Dong, (KMT) fan. She might be a nice

lady, I really don't know. I've visited her house in Shir Lin, Taibei.

I've taught her great great grandson in the technique of a certain sport.

Do you know which boat she she crossed the straits with? I mean, did she go with her husband or with other family members?

Does anyone want to discuss how/where she got her money and how much does she have?

[Dookus]

11. hi dArKeR

I know very little chinese history, so I don't know what Abian, Gua Ming Dong or KMT are....

But I'd love to learn more! Fill us in.

[Zuni]

12. The KMT

was the Chinese Nationalist Party led by General Chiang Kai Shek. They were the government of China from the 1920s until Mao Tse Tungs Communists drove them into Taiwan.
The KMT was originally somewhat left wing, but Chiang Kai Shek later purged the Communists in it's ranks and touched off a civil war with the communists. To fight the communists, Chiang often allied himself with warlords, landlords, reactionaries and militias that made him more and more unpopular. In 1931, open warfare with Japan began, but often Chiang seemed more concerned with fightinh Mao than with fighting Japan.
Chiang was a weak US ally during WWII who drove the US military mad trying to help China fight the Japanese invaders. Many diplomats and military officers openly detested Chiang and his very corrupt administration. Chiang's failure to start reform efforts and his numerous failures to deal with the Japanese invaders swung many in China towards Mao's side.
In the end though, Mao's victory over Chiang in 1949 (no sympathy for Chiang, but face it, the Maoist government destroyed China)was in the end terrible for China. It began years of repression, terror, witchunting, famine, persecution, purging and death on a vast scale.

[Rhiannon12866]

14. Thank you! Great post!

There is so much of value to be learned from the incomparable folks on DU!:-)

[dArKeR]

15. I honestly don't want to trash a thread which seemed to say she is a

good lady. She very well might be. My friends have told me she was one of the most powerful families in China and so was the Chang (Jong) family. It was a feudal system or whatever like Europe where marriages where made for power and wealth. Like armies allying themselves for strength. In other words, she wasn't an innocent country girl. She carried the weight of her father who I'm sure would murder anyone anything to maintain power.

In Taiwan they butchered about 20,000 (terrorists) to take final control. Many cities they went in and killed the villages teacher, doctor, most educated, (just like I saw a DC show on how the Nazi did this.)

Soong, who is a mainland pig part of Chang's butchers, son of Soong a Powerful mainland China family like Chang's, ran for President in 2000, he lost thank goodness. But it was uncovered with official records that he received $20 Mil plus from the Gua Ming Dong (KMT) political party. This techically wasn't a crime because it was the party's money and not TW government money. But in fact the party stole it from the government, (everyone in TW accepts that). ('We are Chinese' I've heard as a reason thousands of times.) They traced at least 7 homes in Calf. purchased, by cash I believe, under Soong's son's name. When caught, Soong said the money was given to him by President Lee Dun Hui to give to Mrs. Chang and her family in America. Here's another ringer. Every child of every KMT offical is an American citizen. I hate Soong. I hate Lien who is the new KMT party chairman. These people are evil prejudice bastards who to this day treat Taiwanese as second class slaves in the country that was theirs. I'm registered some names, kmtpigs, soonglienpigs... for the upcoming election in 2004. I'll post were I make the sites.

Here is more recent stuff plus mainstream analysis.

The RKF of Asia, President Chen Shui Bian (Abian)
http://www.president.gov.tw/
http://www.president.gov.tw/1_president/e_subject-05a9.html
http://www.scanews.com/collester/article3/article3.html



Liu Yan Chun grew up in Taiwan firmly believing that her family would someday go back to mainland China. It took most of her life to realize that there would be no triumphant return, as envisioned by the Nationalists when they retreated (Edit: this word should be INVADED Formosa which they renamed to Taiwan.) to Taiwan after defeat by the Chinese Communists in 1949. It took her longer still to realize that she had no desire to return.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/315530.asp



First lady's European tour seen as diplomatic success
http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/2003/07/24/1059010376.htm


Assassination Attempt
Chen's wife, you know, was at a time an even more strident crusader than he was for the rights of the Taiwanese and the DPP. In 1985 she was rammed over three times by a truck and was crippled, and the driver was never found despite the fact that there were witnesses. Most Taiwanese believe _ that it was a botched KMT assassination attempt. And Chen has to go home every night and see her sitting in a wheelchair because of it. It's not an easy thing to shake.
http://www.time.com/time/asia/marketqa/2000/03/20/



Accident or assassination attempt?

One account claims the driver, described in press reports at the time as a "simple peasant with a steady job and a fixed residence, Chang Jung-tsai" was driving an "illegally assembled truck" down the narrow street where Mrs. Chen was standing.

Witnesses said Chang purposefully hit Mrs. Chen. They insisted that the driver reportedly exclaimed "Oh, she's not dead yet" before backing up and running over her again to ensure maximum injury if not death.
http://www.chinaonline.com/refer/biographies/secure/chenshuibian.asp



From poverty to power: Chen Shui-bian's rise to the presidency
http://www.chinaonline.com/refer/biographies/secure/chenshuibian.asp


(Ex President) Lee says pro-unification forces to blame for SARS outbreak
http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/2003/05/19/1053309473.htm


DPP decries Soong's proposal
(Soong and Lien are mainland pigs.)
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2003/06/15/2003055308


KMT (Pig) rebel blasts party's voting order
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2003/06/02/2003053622


Recent poll shows satisfication with government, Chen
http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/2003/05/17/1053136494.htm



Former hospital chief under fire (SARS spreader)
Wu was the superintendent of Taipei Municipal Jen Ai when President Chen Shui-bian was Taipei mayor, but he was fired over allegations of corruption in an equipment purchase scandal.

When Ma Ying-jeou (KMT Pig) was elected mayor, he invited Wu back and made him the superintendent of Hoping.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2003/05/13/205762



The ‘New Taiwan Person’
Centuries ago, the island had an aboriginal culture of Malay and Polynesian descent. In the 17th century, the Dutch and Portuguese had colonies here, and the imported Chinese laborers — all men — intermarried with locals, forming the basis of the majority of today’s population. According this version of history, it was only in 1887 that China declared Taiwan a part of its territory in an effort to stem Japanese expansionism, say independence activists. But when that failed, China ceded Taiwan to Japan in perpetuity.
The Japanese held Taiwan for 50 years, until their defeat in World War II. In the years immediately after, Allied Forces backed Chiang Kai-shek’s temporary occupation of Taiwan. But according to pro-independence legal experts, the Nationalists never had a legal basis to stay.
“In 1949, Taiwan did not “split off from China”, but was occupied by the losing side in the Chinese Civil War,” according to a 1999 white paper endorsed by 18 overseas Taiwanese associations.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/316717.asp?cp1=1


Premier's performance satisfies public, poll says
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2003/08/01/2003061799

[Rhiannon12866]

9. This is pretty amazing. Thanks for letting us know

Chiang Kai-Shek sticks in my mind because my first roommate was of Chinese descent and she told everyone that she was his daughter! LOL! I guess, judging by the ages, granddaughter or great granddaughter would have been more likely!:-)

[pfitz59]

10. Time is fleeting......

The last Civil War veteran died the year I was born.
http://www.omalco.com/salling.htm
Living links to history.

[dArKeR]

16. Senior KMT man advises Lien to get rid of Soong

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=116&topic_id=1256

[dArKeR]

17. Taiwan would be a country now if not for Shit-For-Brains Chang.

In about 1970 something, Taiwan was offered full UN and world recognition, become a country, if Chang also recognized China as country. UN would also recognize China's leadership as legal in China. And everyone live in a peaceful solution and harmony. (You never see me use swear words on the DU). But Fucking Satan Feces Chang refused this deal and continued to claim he as the sole ruler of China. (While ruling an island, Formosa which he renamed to Taiwan which is about the size of Oahu.) This probably is the most stupid political decision made in the history of the world.

[JanMichael]

18. Yup.

The Mrs. may still be alive but the Mr. was a supreme asshole of the first order.

[dArKeR]

19. Though Taiwan is one of the world’s most dynamic economies...

http://www.cwcmf.org/Taiwan/html/chap13_international.html