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sysoprock Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 04:54 PM
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Do you hate Republicans, or do you just hate Bush?
This is a question that I often come across, I think Bush has done more to drag the Republican name through the mud than any ad campaign in history.

Not every Republican is as nuts as the current Neocon regime, I think thats something that many people have to keep in mind.

For those moderates out there, when Bush is long gone do you ever think you will be able to trust the Republican party again?
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 04:55 PM
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1. Both
I think Bush and his puppetmasters should be imprisoned and the GOP outlawed until they learn to behave themselves like normal, caring people.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 04:56 PM
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2. dislike
Both
For what they have done to this country
they are ignorant and evil
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 06:46 PM
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23. i join you
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 06:47 PM by donheld
not only are they ignorant and evil but they seem to be proud of this fact. And the "dittohead" shit is just maddening. too many have no opinion of their own, just the won they are given.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 04:56 PM
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3. dislike ALL republicans
hate the ones with no basic integrity
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 04:58 PM
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4. Until the Republicans stand up to the fascists...
I won't trust them. I know "Republican moderates" and as long as they're supporting bu**sh**, they are enabling him, and therefore are every bit as despicable to me as bu**sh** is.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 04:58 PM
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5. I am a real Republican...
Bush is an insult to every intelligent Republican in this country.

Please don't hate Republicans because of Bush*. Just the idiots who call themselves Republicans without knowing what they are supposed to be for.


I have been a Republican for over thirty years and have seen the party at it's best and at it's worst.
I am a Real republican because I support the fundamental ideals upon which our party was founded. I am disgusted that too many ‘Republicans’ don’t even know when their party was founded let alone on what ideals.

If you are a Republican and you don’t know this, don’t bother looking it up. Perhaps I can help;
The first official Republican meeting took place on July 6th, 1854 in Jackson, Michigan.
The Republican Party went national in 1856 when it fielded its first Presidential candidate, John Freemont. Their slogan was, "Free soil, free labor, free speech, free men, Fremont."
What this meant was if you had the brass to strike out into new territory and tame it – that territory was yours.
The Republican Party was responsible for bringing about the emancipation, equal protection and voting rights of those who would make the journey from servitude to access.
Republicans also fought for women’s suffrage and were a major force in passing the 19th amendment.
Republicans have historically presided over balanced budgets and prosperity.
The Republican Party has historically been outspoken against going to war.
The Republican Administration of Eisenhower oversaw the desegregation of schools and sent troops to Little Rock, Arkansas.
He said, “There must be no second class citizens in this country.”

So what the Hell happened?

If Republicans gave a thought to their origins they would know they are the ones who would stand up for personal liberties. They would not disfranchise people for their lifestyles, beliefs and financial circumstances.
They are the original party of ‘an ye harm none, do as ye will’. If you are a Republican you should know what that means, in which case you should also realize that such a philosophy is no longer in practice in your party.
When ‘Republicans’ become the party of suppression we are in dire straights indeed.
Banning people from the pursuit of happiness when they harm no one is very un-republican.
Casting the ideas and lifestyles of others as ‘evil’ while not having dealt in earnest with those individuals is petty and graceless.
Assuming those who disagree with you are not patriots is childish, they may know something you don’t.
Ignorance is VERY un-patriotic.

Learn about your issues before you claim to be in my party.
Talk to people on the ‘other side’ and understand their perspective before you claim to be Republican. You may SAY you understand – but if you have demonized anyone at all, you do not.
If you say ‘Those Liberals’ are like this and ‘The Conservatives’ are like that; if you claim that ‘they’ want to do ‘this’ or ‘that’ to the country, then you do not understand what ‘they’ really want.

The fact is – you have become ‘them’ too.

When questioning an incompetent leadership is ‘unpatriotic’, we are doomed to support despots. That is also un-Republican.

I believe my party should be the forward-thinking party it was meant to be.
The Republican Party is the party that looks for ways to secure the future for all, and while we may disagree on how that is done- it is wrong to think that anyone should be disenfranchised to achieve such an end.
Yes a price must be paid for freedom, but it should be known what that price is and what it is really for BEFORE it is paid by anyone.
When we must be misled in order to accomplish a greater good- no real good will come of it.

As Americans we are ever on guard for manipulation, corruption, and ineptitude.
We see such things everywhere, on all sides of every issue.
We understand that powerful forces are determined to subjugate this country to their will.
We must not let that happen. In order to keep that from happening we must listen earnestly to one-another, not dismiss well thought out positions out-of-hand.
We need very much to begin to see our lives as part of a greater world, and our futures as more than simply our own, but that of our common survival as a Human race.

There is no question that this current administration is NOT Republican, yet so many who call themselves Republican blindly and unquestioningly support this administration whose failures are in excess of any reasonable margins for error.

I could get deeply into why this Administration is Plutocratic and not Republican, how this Administration has contradicted nearly every word with their actions, has made the world a far more dangerous place on top of already existing threats, and how they have betrayed nearly all true Republican ideals…but there are enough facts out there for a true, thinking Republican to see for his or herself.

http://www.irregulartimes.com/realgop.html - the facts here are worth checking.

I’m afraid that most so-called Republicans will dismiss this however and stay in the nice, comfortable thought-bubble they’ve been placed in.
If you make no attempt to see for real – you can stop calling yourself a Republican.
Ignorance has no place in my party.

-Garth Eldritch
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 05:04 PM
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6. takes too much emotion to hate that many people
Bush and neocons disgust me and as long as * is booted out of the WH next month, then all will be good. If Bush stays, well then it's safe to say I'll hate him.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 05:08 PM
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7. My hate for Republicans is well known here in DU
VERY well known.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 05:09 PM
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8. I don't hate republicans, but I don't agree with a majority of their views
Fiscally i'm consider myself conservative although I don't agree with how the republican party puts big business over the common man. The government needs to stay nuetral between them, in my opinion.
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nine30 Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 05:11 PM
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9. Alas, the party of Lincoln no more (nt)
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 05:17 PM
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12. So sad...
If Bush* by some dark miracle wins this election... I may have to give up being a Republican. It was something I used to be proud of.

I've seen too much ignorance from other 'Republicans' to consider it my party for much longer.

At this rate - educated, insightful, intellectual people will all be Democrats. All the uneducated, selfish, angry people will take over my party.
I find fewer and fewer insightful Republicans all the time.

Hate sucks.
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nine30 Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 05:24 PM
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14. Even William Buckley had apprehensions about the war
About a couple of months ago Rush got William Buckley(somebody Rush nearly worships) on the air and tried very hard to have him support the Iraq war. W B very carefully avoided doing so, and in fact even indirectly expressed reservations about it.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 05:14 PM
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10. I have no contempt whatsoever for conservatives....
but * supporters and conservatives are two different things. I cannot respect the political opinion of * supporters.
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nine30 Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 05:15 PM
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11. I had a bit of respect for McCain, until...
..he turned out to be a shameless boot licking half-breed of a dog, licking the very boot that kicked him -- hard. It appears all that he cares about is how he can be the next President if Bush were to stay for another term
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 05:21 PM
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13. I don't mind the classical repubs, but I hate neocons and Bushies
Classical Republicans were for the reduction of government size and reach, the minimalization of taxes, and the idea of a strong America. While I disagreed with them politically, you could at least have a conversation and a civil political debate with them.

Neocons and Bushies aren't for anything but blind profit and patriotism, no matter how many rights get crushed or innocent people die. I HATE them. I also have a strong dislike for all fundie Repubs.

FYI, my boss is actually a "classical Republican" and he hates Bush. He refuses to vote Kerry, but won't vote for Bush next month because he's "not a real Republican". He says that real Republicanism is about the idea of local governance being more important than Federalism, and that both the hatred and blind patriotism in the Republican party today undermine the real purpose of the party. He's not a bad guy, and it's hard to disagree with him.

The Republicans have forgotten their own message and instead embraced hatred and intolerance. THAT is what I hate!
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 05:29 PM
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15. Bush isn't really a Republican
but then the current Thugs and bullies aren't really Republicans either. And bush, as figurehead in the cheney-bush junta is the perfect sockpuppet for that band of Immoral Thieves, who have jacked the Constitution, The Courts, The Congress, squandered our Standing and Respect in the World, Mortgaged the Future of the Children and Grandchildren of this Country and Sent them into an Immoral War, to Murder and be Murdered, for Their Own Monetary Gain. Why? Because he lets it happen, facilitates it.

There used to be some decent Republicans-but I doubt if there are many anymore
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 05:47 PM
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16. I dislike most repukes
Except for my aunt and her husband. My aunt was always a DEM until she married him. He is a long-long military guy from down south and when she joined the military (I don't know what branch) she suddenly became a repuke.
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 05:48 PM
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17. I used to like and respect Republicans
even though I disagreed with most of their agenda. At that time, it was a matter of me hating a selection of them. Unfortunately, the situation has reversed itself and I find myself; if not "hating" then seriously distrusting/disliking a majority of them, on actual debating terms with a small percentage and liking a select few.
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Biased Liberal Media Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 06:21 PM
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18. Hate is a strong word. I dislike Bush and I dislike Republicans who are
going with his agenda and those Republicans who are quick to judge, bash and backpedal.
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 06:26 PM
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19. Just the wingnuts
I hate people like the Swiftboat Liars, Hannity, and Limbaugh, who spin lies to hurt others. Rove, too. I don't hate Bush, just what he seems to represent. I'm not crazy about people who bury their heads in the sand about things, and who march around waving flags and spewing slogans instead of delving into real issues.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 06:29 PM
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20. I don't hate Republicans who will not be voting for Bush...
and I know quite a few. At this point, with all we know, I do have an extreme aversion to Bush supporters.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 06:30 PM
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21. I hate neocons - not necessarily all republicans n/t
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 06:31 PM
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22. Hate Bush
Hate Republicans.
Don't hate republicans (aka, those that vote for them).
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 07:08 PM
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24. I hate the filth that calls itself Republican today
If the party were indeed like Dr. Eldrich described, then that would be a party I could get behind. Unfortunately it isn't anymore.
The RNC monstrosity is so full of the most foul, evil scum that it degrades the English language to call them people. Look at what this bunch is doing-in particular look at what Rove is doing, it's pure brainwashing and underhanded backstabbing of the entire country, and it's clear that he simply doesn't care so long as he gets what he wants and wins. ANY result is OK so long as he wins his battles and makes Bush out to be the second coming of Christ. And everyone gets to live with the aftermath of what that causes-a mass of dittoheads that are fascistic with no concern for anything other than killing foreigners, religious fanatics who slaver at the thought of the world coming to an end so's they kin all go up in tha middle of tha air and watch their neighbors go to Hell while they laugh, a fundamentally destabilized world which could fall into World War III at the drop of a hat, hatred and loathing of Americans worldwide...This bunch doesn't care because they think they will get enough money to shelter them and everyone else will have to deal with it. You will be the one to deal with it. I will be the one to deal with it. They will simply go buy another country and start over again.
Would that the party of Lincoln and Eisenhower were alive today...
So I guess the answer to your question is: yes. I do hate them.
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chemenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 07:30 PM
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25. Let me get this straight ...
you're asking us if we hate the party of Rick Santorum, Tom DeLay, Newt Gingrinch, Orrin Hatch, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, (insert a multitute of other dispicable Repuke nasties here).

Speaking for myself ... YYYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!
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