The once great state of California

[4sanity]

Just got back from a trip to San Diego to see our youngest son. Wow what an eye opener. I don't wish to offend those of you who are unfortunate enough to live in that once great state, but holy shit. For starters, gas was 40 cents higher than in Oregon, you had to pump it yourself, guess how much you needed, the roads from Sacramento to LA were the worst I have ever traveled and no one obeys the posted speed limits. You fucks think you are all race car drivers, but without the skill. I know, I raced for years and have a den full of trophies. I would rather have an evil handling car on a sanctioned track than tackle the LA freeways. Bad roads+ bad drivers= a nightmare. At first I felt sorry for Californians, but not anymore. You bastards deserve all the misery you have brought upon yourselves. You are rude, discourteous pieces of shit. I am now in favor of building a wall at our southen border to keep you the hell out of Oregon. Either that or moving the border to just south of Redding and then walling it off. Northern Cal is really nice and almost Oregon-like so we will take you, but Southern Cal has nothing to recommend it besides some of the most beautifull beaches I have ever seen. But even those have been so commercialized that their appeal has almost been lost. Go ahead and elect Ahnold governor. You deserve each other.

[ixion]

1. Anything south of Big Sur

has long been a GOP hell hole, IMO. It's too bad, because CA is a beautiful place.

[Superfly]

2. Tell us what you REALLY think

No holding back...

[slackmaster]

3. I know what you mean about the roads

If you drive in from the north on 5 or 395 or 15, or from the east on 10 or 8, the quality of the pavement suddenly changes from very good to exceptionally shitty the moment you cross the border into Cali.

:hi:

[_NorCal_D_]

41. I have to agree with you.

You can really see the difference between California roads and interstate roads through Oregon or Nevada. I guess it is kind of sad.
:(

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

4. Sorry for your bad experience but you have unfairly slammed my home

However, many of the drivers IN my state are not FROM my state.

Our roads are actually in pretty good shape however, due to the population growth of our state and the fact that Washington DC sends us back FAR less than we send them (about 60 billion less) compared to DC's investments in other states, we end up being forced to finance our roads and air quality through gas taxes which are nowhere NEAR 40cents a gallon. The additional fees we pay for gas are because oil companies like to cause the greatest pain where the greatest populations are...it's called supply and demand.

Our beaches are still beautiful because we have been able to fight offshore drilling...most likely another reason we are strapped with higher gas prices...it's called PUNISHMENT.

Finally, our state has seen a great deal of immigration because corporate farms like hiring undocumented help...they are easier to intimidate.

If you don't care for California...please stay home...and cram your nastiness...we get enough of it on the freeway without you.

PS was that you in the Orgeon plates driving slow in the fastlane on I-5?...SLOWER TRAFFIC SHOULD KEEP RIGHT...IT"S NOT AS THOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE FIVE FUCKING LANES TO CHOOSE FROM ..people will be more appreciative of you if you do.

Oh and on the don't wish to offend us part...BULLFUCKINGSHIT

[Racenut20]

5. Say that for Florida too

"someday when I am old, I am going to move up north and drive slow"

[Dookus]

6. yeah...

what she said.

Build your wall - just make sure we can lock our side of the door, too.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

7. Is this an Oregon thing? Earlier this week in GD there was an Oregonian

complaining that we let residents pay less for tuition than Orgeonians who don't pay state taxes in California to PAY for our universities many of which are in the top 50 in the nation(the NERVE of us!!)

[Melsky]

9. Most of the problems in So Cal

are caused by overpopulation, so you could help us by asking your son to move back to Oregon. If he is anything like you, it would help make our state a bit more pleasant.

Thanks!

A very polite native Southern Californian

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

12. I'm sure you were directing that to the thread starter..not me

but HEY!!! I never knew you were in So Cal!!! Does that mean I can see your artwork in the flesh???? I would love the opportunity to!

[Melsky]

36. Oops, yes that was to the original thread starter

don't know why I replied to yours!

Nice to know you are in So Cal too!

[ronnykmarshall]

18. Cyber high five!

:toast:

Here's to ya Melsky!!

[4sanity]

10. Cram my nastiness?

Surely you jest. We narrowly avoided a multicar "accident" in LA. Of course we were in the slow lane, I only drive at 100+ on a race course. The car on our left side was demolished in a Detroit Sandwich. It wasn't my driving skill that saved us in that one, it was pure fucking luck and good brakes. I don't mean to paint with a broad brush so to speak, but the "good drivers" must have stayed at home during our visit. You think I am nasty? My words won't kill you my friend.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. Yeah.. I think calling us bastards loses you the benefit of the doubt

on that one. I have driven in all 50 states..there are asshole drivers in all 50 states...states where there are more people are going to have more accidents and more assholes...nice that you can't recognize your own nastiness...

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[ronnykmarshall]

19. Cyber high five!

:toast:

Another toast to another Californian defended our home!

:toast:

Ah what the hell, make it a double!

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[cally]

50. Thank you NSMA..

I agree!

[Zorro]

8. A den full of trophies

and you can't cope with LA traffic? I'm not impressed.

If you don't like Southern California, just stay back on the farm, Gomer. And keep out of the way of people that know where they're going and what they're doing.

[4sanity]

13. Stay at home?

Good advice Zorro, you sound like you might be one of those skilled drivers that has given Cal the highest insurance rate in the nation.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

15. WRONG AGAIN HONEY...we passed a ballot proposition on auto insurance

There are no fault states paying more than us...go read a book

[ronnykmarshall]

21. Cyber high five!

:toast:
:toast:
:toast:

Make that a triple!

[chaumont58]

11. I've been hearing California trashed for years, if you don't like it..

stay out. California will get by without anything from Oregon. You must have travelled down I5 from Sacramento to LA. I5 is truck heavan. I5 is a federal interstate highway. California has a LOT of highways, all competing for funds for repair. I know it has probably escaped notice in Oregon, but there is not a surplus of funds for highway maintenance. Unless you stopped or detoured in LA, you probably took the San Diego Frwy in the LA area. The 405 is CROWDED, period, all the time. There are lot of people in the LA area, about 15 million and they use freeways to get around. I guess they all should have gotten out of the way when they spotted a car with Oregon licenses plates. "Pull over, let the hayseed pass."
To make this reply short: If you don't like California, good, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out, and don't hurry back.
By the way, California has two Democratic US Senators. How many does Oregon have?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

16. 36 million people in the state...living with federal allocations made by

states so small (with brain sizes that match their tiny populations), we could fit them in one of our smaller cities

[4sanity]

20. We have one

His name is Ron Wyden. Sponsor of a lot of good bills if you are paying attention. By the way, this was not a political post, the Ahnold reference notwithstanding. Do you think that folks should follow the speed limits or not? It has little to do with my or your driving skills. Do you think that your tax money should give you decent roads? PS never had an accident and no tickets for 33 yrs in spite of my trip.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

24. We have many decent roads..the problem is we have alot of them

we also have better universities than most states, cheaper tuition for those universities than most states, better worker's rights than most states and LESS FREEPERS than most states.

Problem is....we get LESS APPROPRIATED FROM CONGRESS COMPARED TO WHAT WE PAY IN THAN MOST STATES TOO!!

AGAIN ABOUT 60 billion less!

[chaumont58]

26. Your post invites rude responses

I say again, if you have a problem with California, don't come back. There are too many people here now. You site the price of gas as if its a choice. I just really want my gas prices to be high! Is this how you do it Oregon? You site Ahnold as if the good California posters of the old DU wanted the recall, and just breathlessly waiting for the chance to vote for the condom filled with walnuts. I, for one, do not fit that description.
I now live in a rural area of California, without many drivers. Going from place to place here is not that much of a strain. Getting around in LA is a whole different proposition. Freeways were chosen as a way to move mass amounts of people. Not a good choice, but the good pukes at Chevron, General Motors and Firestone killed the beginning of a lite rail transit system years and years ago. So much for capitalism, free enterprise and the public good.
So you have ONE Democratic US Senator? We have two. One is nicknamed DIFi and the other isn't. Ever hear of them?
As far as I'm concerned, build your Great Wall of Oregon. I've been in Oregon, but I didn't lose anything there, so I probably won't go back. If it were left up to me, you wouldn't even need your Great Wall of Oregon. Does Oregon need a large public works project?

[ronnykmarshall]

17. Talk about rude.

This posting is nothing but flame bait.

Enjoy your tombstone.

[shanti]

22. he doesn't have one....

yet.

[ronnykmarshall]

23. Sound like a perfect candidate.

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[4sanity]

27. Tailgated?

That was not a problem. Jerkoffs going 100 in a 55 was. Call me a gomer or a hayseed, but the multicar pileup was not my fault. If I am a "freeper" for saying we should obey the speed limits then so be it. California has virtual anarchy on their roads and their insurance rates show it. I'll compare my rate with them any day. If you want to drive like an asshole, some of us are going to call you on it.

[ronnykmarshall]

29. Cuts both ways

If you're going to ACT like an asshole and hurl insults to people of Southern California, expect to be called on it as well.

[4sanity]

31. Insults?

I guess the truth hurts. Words however never killed anyone. Four thousand pound vehicles, on the other hand, do hurt and do kill. My post is directed at the Californians who think the speed limit is for someone besides themselves. While I was visiting your state almost no one obeyed the speed limit. Please explain again why I am the bad guy.

[ronnykmarshall]

33. Go back and read your post.

Let's see, we're a bunch of "fucks" to start with. That's not a term of endearment last time I checked.


Let us review a few more examples of your warmth and charm!

"You fucks think you are all race car drivers, but without the skill. I know, I raced for years and have a den full of trophies."

:bounce: Bravo! Good for you. When they start handing out awards for big egos, you might want to knock out a wall to expand your den.


"At first I felt sorry for Californians, but not anymore. You bastards deserve all the misery you have brought upon yourselves."

Let me guess, this isn't an insult. So when you say good bye to friends in your state you end with this lovely phrase? I'll have to use that on some of my co-workers in Portland. Should be quite a hit.


"You are rude, discourteous pieces of shit."

Ok, so this ISN'T an insult? Tsk, tsk, tsk! BUZZZZZZZ, Sheila send me in this fellows Denial File.

"I am now in favor of building a wall at our southen border to keep you the hell out of Oregon."

Don't bother, just don't come back to So Cal. If everyone in Oregon is like you, I don't think we'll be coming to visit.


"Go ahead and elect Ahnold governor. You deserve each other."

and may I suggest that you deserve a nice cool drink for that line. Yep, you need A LOT of drinks. You need plently of drinks to kill the bug that is up your ass!

[Breezy du Nord]

37. Obviously the people who drive unsafely are jerks

But calling everyone in S. CA a fuck because of them? That's just idiotic. The reason I compare you to a freeper is because they also make stupid broad statements.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

40. Perhaps that was your problem...the speed limit is 65 on most of our roads

not 55. If you are driving under the speed limit..people are going to pass you who are going the speed limt..it's physics 101.

[ForrestGump]

44. Could you explain that to me again, please?

:D

If the speed limit is 65, and I'm taveling 55, and a train leaves its station at....

"excuse me, Ms NSMA, my brain is full" (apologies to Gary Larson)

[catzies]

57. Thank you NSMA! Good point about the speed limit.

I'll bet this guy is simply charming too if he ever goes abroad. Talk about "ugly American!"

P.S. (from further down the thread) another Southern California Fuck checking in! :hi: Representin' da 805!

[Capn Sunshine]

67. Wow! You're 805?

I'M 805! TO!

The starter of this thread racing background or not has a LOT to learn about driving in crowds, and flow of traffic. Safe in Oregon; a danger in large cities.

There's always some sanctimonious SOB who thinks we should all drive the speed they are and refuses to yield.

As to the rest, I'm sick of Oregonians blaming Caliornia for everthing distateful in their experience.

The trouble in CA started the day Oregons unemployment hit 6%a few years back.

Add that to the carpetbagging assholes who come here and refer to everything as "Back home"--------
God get out of here, maybe if they listened to the natives they'd realize Spanish is the first language and English came much later.
I'm sick of all these folks trying to convert California to whatthey left behind.

[_NorCal_D_]

42. It's not called anarchy,

in California it's known as 'taking the initiative.'

:bounce:B-)

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[ronnykmarshall]

32. Cyber five for the Mountainman!

Former Bakersfielder m' self. What I love about California is that we are MANY states within one state.

I'm a city person myself and part of living in a city IS dealing with the traffic and the people. It's not for everyone. I would go insane living in a smaller town of city. That's why I moved to SF and now LA.

Different strokes for different folks ...... and so on and so on and scooby dooby doooooooo

[Mountainman]

35. I moved to LA in the 80's because I thought it was the center

of the universe.

I know some of us like the city life and some don't. We have a choice as long as you can support yourself. I love CA.

[_NorCal_D_]

43. Personally,

I am not that fond of LA, but I still love California!

[Melsky]

38. Cyber Five for you too

I am from San Diego, have also lived in LA and SF. Now I'm way out in the desert, but we will probably be coming to live in LA or OC in the next year. It's good to know that there are other DUers out here in So Cal!

[ronnykmarshall]

39. How you dealin' with them floods?

That was some wacky stuff!

Great art work BTW.

[cherryperry]

71. Oh, dear, I just let this one go by

why in the world would you move from SF to LA? Are you trying to be an actor? Otherwise, I beg you to give me a reason other than the old sitcom "Different Strokes" - oh, you meant the Sly & The Family Stone song? ... never mind.

But, seriously, how could you leave the Bay Area?

:cry:

[ronnykmarshall]

72. Got hitched!

I met my partner here in LA (another former SF'er). When I left the Bay Area I was living in Hayward since I couldn't affort the rent in SF. It's all worked out great. I'm closer to my family and I love the weather. Hate driving, but where I live I don't have to drive on the weekends.

I'm still trying the Lana Turner gig and hanging out at Scwab's Drug Store and get discovered! :silly:

[ForrestGump]

34. Southern California has a lot of problems

But so do some people. Sure, of all the places I've lived and visited, it's not top of my list in all categories (it's way down there in some), but there's a lot of good in SoCal. I've certainly lived in worse places. I'ver also seen more awful drivers, per capita, in other palces - domestically, those places would include south Florida and Colorado, among others, but I'm not under the illusion that inhabitants of those palces therefore were born out of wedlock or are somehow coprophilic.

And Oregon is just dandy. But when you come on like a freeway pile-up, and start painting all Californians with a brush that's irrelevant to so many, you're going to get called on it. Deservedly so.

California uber alles.

[VOX]

45. You "don't wish to offend?" Let's see: "You fucks," "You bastards"...

"pieces of shit"...I'd say that you didn't get your wish.

Don't worry, I won't be coming up your way anytime soon -- it's too damned overcast, and now we all see what seasonal affective disorder can do!

Enjoy your den full of trophies as you sit in perpetual mildew.

On edit: Oh I almost forgot -- for the *best* places in California, I mean the really cool, untrammeled spots where the air is fresh, and there's no traffic, and where there are miles and miles of ...--x--x---x oh, oh---my keyboard's breaking up --- - x- x- losing transmission -- -xx--you have to go..x.. turn at -.x.xx. feel the .---x..tropical breezes -x---x....another Friday in paradise -- pour me another margarita! xx---...x--x......x....__________

[ronnykmarshall]

46. Cheers to you too, Rezmutt

I need to get out of here and get in my car and hunt down Oregon plates.

[_NorCal_D_]

51. Well said rezmutt!

This demagogue doesn’t know the meaning of the word paradise!
Go California!

:bounce:
:bounce::bounce:

[Ivory_Tower]

53. I live in Maryland...

...and I was offended!

Wow.

btw, I've driven in California. It's like driving in DC, only bigger.

[Duncan Grant]

47. May I suggest...

and it's on sale!

[ronnykmarshall]

48. LOL!!

:toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast:

Now that deserves a PARTY!!!

[LWolf]

49. I travel from so cal to OR & back a few times a year

on family visits. Up the 5 to Sutherlin/Florence, up the 97 to the Bend area. No complaints.

My OR family makes the reverse trip a few times a year. No complaints.

Of course, mom has been lobbying to get me to move to OR, closer to her, for years. I'll have to send her this part, and let her know you've ruled on the subject:

"You bastards deserve all the misery you have brought upon yourselves. You are rude, discourteous pieces of shit. I am now in favor of building a wall at our southen border to keep you the hell out of Oregon. Either that or moving the border to just south of Redding and then walling it off. Northern Cal is really nice and almost Oregon-like so we will take you, but Southern Cal has nothing to recommend it besides some of the most beautifull beaches I have ever seen. But even those have been so commercialized that their appeal has almost been lost. Go ahead and elect Ahnold governor. You deserve each other."

:eyes:

[cherryperry]

52. Whatsamattayu???

Seriously, your original message is quite disturbed! Since you hate San Diego et al, why not have your son visit you in Oregon?

I've always enjoyed going through Oregon in order to get to Seattle and I can certainly understand why your gas prices are lower! Oregon is just a way to get to get to WA or BC...you guys have NOTHING there!

You seem too filled with anger; it's such an over-reaction that it's kind of hard to take you seriously. For one thing, why would you feel compelled to tell us about your trophies? That's a sign of tremendous insecurity!

You need to get a hold of yourself and not post these diatribes, okay?

I don't understand why the moderators think this thread is okay...

[ronnykmarshall]

54. I did put it on alert

But nothing happened.

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[ronnykmarshall]

73. As they used to say on "Laugh In"

veerrrrrry interesting!

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[REP]

55. Northern California Fuck Checking In

Bad drivers are everywhere, not just in California. A lot of the problem here seems to come from tourists who don't know where they're going and decide to drive under the speed limit. Annoying, to say the least.

If you don't like California, please don't come back. We won't mind.

[ronnykmarshall]

56. Kudos from a Southern California Fuck!

Seems to me that our great friend from The Beaver State has become very quiet.

[ForrestGump]

61. Yeah, but you're one of the good F***s

:D

Or so you say.... :P

[ronnykmarshall]

62. Well......

I ain't one to gossip so you didn't hear this from me.....

[ForrestGump]

63. Unnh...feeling weak...sudden urge to

Oh. It passed. :-)

[Tikki]

58. Sir or Ma'am(whatever)...have you noticed, yet....

...that your son chose a college, just about as 'far away from you' as he get without leaving the time zone.

Might there be a reason for this? Let's say .....Your attitude towards 'life's little obstacles'!!!!!


The Tikkis

[Kathy in Cambridge]

59. This Masshole loves California

It's the only place aside from NYC that I would ever consider relocating.

As far as drivers go, Californians are a hell of a lot more polite than ANY driver in the Northeast. If you want to see some creative, aggressive driving, come to Boston. Oh, and our roads are full of potholes too.

I have had nothing but positive experiences in California-this is especially true of the Bay Area. It is very unfair to paint a whole state with a broad brush. Your rant is really childish and silly.

[maveric]

64. This Masshole who lives in SoCal loves it too.

And I was raised in Boston and have seen the worst in that category.

I've had experiences with Oregonians either living, or visiting down here and they seem to have a wicked inferiority complex regarding California and Californians.

Chill out man!

[LWolf]

65. I read the post to my mom, the Oregonian.

She laughed and bet that the poster is one of the many former Californians living in Oregon.

[SPICYHOT]

66. well you can't

mix everybody in the sack!, if you got a bad time there doesn't mean that they deserve that muscle man, and you should apologize!

[Piperay]

68. Geesh, there is an easy remedy

if you don't like California, they STAY THE HELL OUT! We don't want or need tourists that are rude and obnoxious. :grr: :mad: :grr:

[Le Taz Hot]

74. Central California Fuck checking in.

Hey! You just might like it here in good ole' Fresno where it's not unusual to get on 99 behind a tractor going 20 MPH. Sounds like just your speed. B-)

Welcome to California. Now go home!

[cherryperry]

76. Hello, Hots!

Although born in San Francisco and raised in the Bay Area, now living in Central California (San Luis Obispo :P ), (1) "I left my heart in San Francisco" and (2) How's the weather in Fresno :7 ?

But, seriously, folks, you take anywhere in California and you mix it with NYC, add just a dash of Boston and a dollop of Seattle and what do you get: HEAVEN!


:toast: :party: :pals:

[EarlG]

77. Hmm

I was just made aware of this thread. Despite the fact that we allow "group attacks" at DU, this thread is nothing but flames. I'm locking it.