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rabid_nerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:19 PM
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DLC Endorses Lieberman/Clark for '04!
(SHUDDER)

OK - New Democrat = DLC.

DLC (of today, not the 90's) = Lieberman, Al From

Clark and Lieberman and Edwards(? I think) Self-Identify as New Dems.

I don't mind someone who is a member of the DLC - Hell, technically I am. I renounced it when Lieberman started going noticably loony after 9/11 and started going off about Gore being too populist and such and the boasting emails about how more DLC dems supported the "President" in the Iraq Authorization than non-DLCers (I still have that email, btw), but I simply cannot vote for someone who self-identifies as a proud member of this group and it's current ideology for President.

IN THE PRIMARIES - Yellow Dog in November
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:22 PM
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1. BREATHE!!!!!
Jesus H. Christ! Let go will you?
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:50 AM
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15. will you bite me?
Jesus, talk about thought police.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:31 PM
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2. Why don't they just drop Clark off a cliff and save him the grief.
Edited on Tue Sep-16-03 05:47 PM by Dover
LIEBERMAN? Are you kidding around? Dean would be so pleased!

Whatever doubts and concerns I had about Clark as a D.C. insider and his affiliations with the Pentagon as well as his foreign policy agenda, have just soared...

I asked just yesterday what differences there were in foreign policy between Clark and , say, Lieberman, and Clark supporters seemed to take great offense that I would even connect the two.
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:42 PM
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3. I Hope Dean Wins
Just to piss them off.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:47 AM
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12. Congrats durutti!! 200 posts
:toast:
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 05:44 PM
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4. Hey rabid_nerd.....have you got a link to validate this info?.....
Edited on Tue Sep-16-03 05:44 PM by Dover
..or is this pure speculation?
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methinks2 Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 06:28 PM
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5. Yes links please
:wtf:
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 10:00 PM
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6. Odd...
This thread seems to have died for lack of links.

Perhaps there is no backup
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:47 AM
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13. Congrats methinks2!! 200 posts
:toast:
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 12:09 AM
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7. Naw. Clark is the DLC's replacement for Lieberman
Edited on Wed Sep-17-03 12:10 AM by Tinoire
Lieberman is now unelectable and they know it.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 12:24 AM
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8. And our reason for saying this is....
Edited on Wed Sep-17-03 12:25 AM by Rowdyboy
I assume that you have something to back up such a damaging statement. If true, I need to re-evaluate my support of Clark...
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 01:07 AM
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10. Clark is DLC - Here are some links to help you re-evaluate
Edited on Wed Sep-17-03 01:09 AM by Tinoire
<snip>

But members of the DLC, meeting in Philadelphia over the weekend and today for the group's annual "conversation," say they're holding their centrist ground. Their "Third Way" or "New Democrat" ideas will reclaim the White House for the Democrats in 2004, they say, as they did for Bill Clinton in his two victories.

<snip>

Despite the political focus, however, the declared Democratic presidential candidates were asked to stay away.

<snip>

The absence of candidates has hardly back-burnered the presidential race. It was still the dominant discussion in the hallways and ballrooms where the group gathered over the weekend. Center-of-the-road names like Lieberman, Kerry and Edwards were bandied about. As was a name that many participants said they were surprised to hear often: that of Gen. Wesley Clark, the former NATO commander. Clark has not declared his candidacy but has said he is considering a run. Supporters say he could go toe-to-toe with Bush on military issues.

<snip>
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/6400042.htm

Another article about this same fabulous meeting in Philly:
Centrist Dems weigh Dean dilemma

“The main theme of the next election is going to be national security,” said Chris Kofinis, a political consultant who attended the DLC gathering and is advising the campaign to draft retired Gen. Wesley Clark as the Democratic candidate.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/945273.asp?cp1=1

More info? You can read Dr. Chris Kofinis' (you know that same DLC consultant mentioned above) PDF Analysis of Zogby Poll Commissioned by DraftWesleyClark.com

Pictures? Looks like everyone had a great time at the New Democrats' Annual Meeting (Photos here)

If you want to listen the 2 hour speech (followed by DLC Q & A) he gave at the New Democrat Network Annual Meeting in DC: (Lieberman & Graham were also present) http://video.c-span.org:8080/ramgen/kdrive/c04061703_newdemocrat.rm

Excerpt, if you don't have 2 hours to listen, here: http://manatt.net/clark.ram

And just to avoid a bunch of inane posts saying that NDN is not DLC- here goes:

DLC AND NDN
Two acronyms that junkies know and that Democratic candidates hear in their sleep. The Democratic Leadership Council, chaired these days by Sen. Evan Bayh and run for 17 years by its founding director, Al From, is the spawning ground of moderate “Third Way” thinking in the party. Bill Clinton was chairman when he launched his own presidential bid in 1991. The New Democratic Network is the DLC’s overtly political cousin, run by an operative named Simon Rosenberg. It doles out cash to candidates and, increasingly, supports independent spending efforts.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/834591.asp?0bl=-0&cp1=1

More about the NDN:

Centrist Democrats launch new agenda
By Hans Nichols

The centrist New Democratic Network (NDN) unveiled a new six-point agenda yesterday that it says can serve as a blueprint for making the Democratic Party the governing force in American politics for the next generation.

<snip>

Several announced and potential Democratic presidential candidates addressed the gathering at a Capitol Hill hotel, including Sens. Joe Lieberman (Conn.) and Bob Graham (Fla.), as well as retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark. Sen. John Kerry (Mass.) addressed the convention by phone, and former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean sent a video greeting.

<snip>

Rosenberg explained in the interview that the network’s revamped agenda and new strategy are the beginning steps of “a 10- to 45-year” plan to elect centrist Democrats to local, state and federal offices.

http://www.hillnews.com/news/061803/centrist.aspx

----
About the NDN


The New Democrat Network (NDN) is one of the nation’s most influential political organizations.
NDN promotes a new generation of leaders who advocate economic growth and fiscal responsibility, strong American leadership in world affairs and world markets, a smaller, smarter government, and a progressive approach to social issues that respects family, faith, and community.

<snip>

NDN is led by NDN President Simon Rosenberg, with advice from NDN's Advisory Board, a group of leading New Democratic thinkers and strategists. NDN’s Advisory Board includes former Democratic National Committee Chairman Joseph J. Andrew, pollster and Latino electorate expert Sergio Bendixen, former Army Secretary Louis Caldera, former Member of Congress and Chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Vic Fazio, former Member of Congress and Chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council Dave McCurdy, former White House Press Secretary Mike McCurry, former White House Chief of Staff Mack McLarty, and former Federal Trade Commissioner and White House Cabinet Secretary Christine A. Varney.
------------------------------

Want to know who founded the NDN?

The NDN was founded in 1996 by Senator Joe Lieberman, chairman of the DLC. "NDN acts as a political venture capital fund," a special type of political action committee among political action committees. NDN raises PAC money from many sectors, which they then distribute to their top federal candidates -- Lucas received $10,000 from them. NDN also provides a mechanism for fat-cats to donate directly to candidates without worrying about all those pesky Election Commission limits. Clinton campaign aide, Simon Rosenberg, is now NDN's President. Joe Lieberman is chairman.

The DLC does the same thing, actually. But, by forming the NDN, the DLC contribute more than twice as much to favored candidates.

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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 06:58 AM
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11. Thanks for responding in such a positive manner...
I'll read this and consider when I have time later today.

Again, thanks.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 10:11 AM
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16. Anytime!
I know the title is sarcasm but the it could have been so a propos!

Peace
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rabid_nerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:47 AM
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14. Sorry, the title is sarcasm!
There is of course no endorsement.

But Clark being DLC kills it for me.
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