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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:29 PM
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Vegans versus Cajun neighbors.
So I'm watching this nutty show on t.v. (On Fox, it came on after the Simpsons) And it had to do with wife swapping, sort of. The mother of one house goes to another house and vice-versa.

After fifteen minutes, I'm rooting for the Cajuna alligator meat eaters! Bring on the Gumbo! The Vegan is coming across like a know it all, pushing her agenda and inflicting herself on everyone. The Gumbo lady is soft and earthy, respectful in ways that the Vegan would never understand.

That does reflect my experiences with the Green party. We had a group come together to discuss how we could fight the good ole boys of our county and the group fell apart when the Vegan (Green) walked out on the good ole boy who had just admitted he had shot, killed and eaten Bambi.

Can't we just all get along?

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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:31 PM
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1. WTF?
She just said, "like a vegetarian lion." LOL
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:36 PM
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2. I do appreciate the Cajun's good souls.
The Vegan would eat a dog if necessary, but the boy said no. He'd eat his pet frog or a pet turtle, but not a dog. And when asked why, he said, because a frog is a frog, but a dog is man's best friend.

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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:39 PM
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3. I am watching it too
The Vegan lady just said "the truth will set you free" and started crying. Apparently she is about to give an animal rights activist sermon to the other woman.

Honestly, those animal rights people are over the top.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:42 PM
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6. I'm going to get blasted for this, but yes, they're very hard to work
with.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:40 PM
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4. To me, there is a difference
Between people who are vegetarian for health, environmental, or personal compassionate reason, and people who are religiously vegetarian.

The difference is that the second type feels the need to convert everyone they encounter, and are clearly on ego trips. I find them as hard to tolerate as people who feel they must get me to accept Jesus (or Set) as my personal savior.

The other type of vegetarians are great company, I find.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:43 PM
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7. "Couldn't put that passion aside just for a moment to enjoy my
Edited on Mon Nov-29-04 08:47 PM by The Backlash Cometh
beautiful family."

Boy, that says it all.
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thedailyshow Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:41 PM
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5. I'm with you! I'm also rooting for the cajun alligator family
I couldn't believe it when the vegan mother kept insisting the right way to spell "monkeys" was with an "ies." The poor kid was right. I also laughed when the vegan mother started smoking a cigarette, and she tried a piece of alligator meat. Can we say hypocrite?

I do agree with the vegan mother that the cajun kid needed some discipline, but not to the extent. I thought it was great how the cajun mother tried to make a vegan gumbo, and I thought it was dumb of the vegan people to start attacking what she did for a living, considering that she'd just made them all a vegan gumbo.

In all reality, the cajun family probably are Bush voters, and the vegan family is probably Nader voters. I like the cajun family better than the vegan family because they're actually more respectful, and they put up with the vegan mother's crap way more than I ever would have.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:46 PM
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8. Yes, they were respectful.
Edited on Mon Nov-29-04 08:54 PM by The Backlash Cometh
They might be Republican voters, but they're no typical rednecks. They have too much respect for other's opinions to be hardcore Republican.
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thedailyshow Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:49 PM
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11. I also couldn't believe that the vegan mother put on an
animal rights video. That's so lame. You can't change people's minds like that. They have to want to change their minds in order for the change to take place. Those people were not completely ready for it at all. Perhaps it's an example of how we approach Bush voters. Alienating them through regionalism and redneck prejudices are not going to help us reach them in terms of politics.

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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:47 PM
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9. That california woman is a real classic
Yikes... Louisianna people are "behind the times".
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:49 PM
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12. She was terrible. I LOVE people who set their own standards.
And the further they get from Lacrosse, the better.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:47 PM
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10. I want a Cajun Mary Poppins!
Heheh! I'm sure vegan mom meant it as an insult, but I think it's a GREAT concept!
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:53 PM
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14. me too
A cajun Mary Poppins would be better than a california harpy.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:54 PM
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15. $10,000 for an orchard! The husband is thrilled, the Vegan is
pissed. You would think a Vegan would appreciate having an orchard nearby.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:50 PM
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13. She doesn't strike me as a true ethical vegetarian, and she doesnt
represent all animal activists.

First off, she drives an SUV, ate alligator, said that eating reptiles was fine because they weren't mammals (??). She HIT a dog and roughed him up around his neck. When I see things like that, it makes me think people are vegan just so they can be in a "me too" group. Nobody that concerned about animal rights would treat a dog like that. Not to mention she's just incredibly obnoxious.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:58 PM
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18. She definitely has a need to be in command.
I don't mind her eating alligator, though. Little baby steps.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:01 PM
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21. It's hypocrisy
I'm a vegetarian. I don't ask others to stop eating meat and I hope that others would respect my choice. This woman just talked down to everyone when she clearly just wanted to eat allegator because she was curious.
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thedailyshow Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:01 PM
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20. I'm sensing an impeding divorce between the vegan couple
and I don't like how the vegan mom treats her kids.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:54 AM
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40. I got the impression the vegan dad was a carpet long before she
started walking all over him.
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Kilkenny5 Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:20 AM
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45. Also
SHE WAS SMOKING!!!!!!!
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VivaKerry Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:23 AM
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46. Oh, you didn't hear it right. VEGAN mammals like lions, she says...
Didn't she ever see Born Free? Those lions killing and eating other ANIMALS?!!

Sorry, had to pipe in. I had that dumb tv show on tonight. I wanted to strangle the almighty vegan. God, she gave conscious people a bad name tonight.

She was the most judgmental, hateful, controlling, unconscious person I have seen in a long time.

I loved the cajun mom. What a lovely, generous woman. To the end.. generous as could be. And her Kid ZZ was one smart pup!
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:45 AM
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49. Sounds like a PETA swallower
They actually try to tell people that wolves and other predators ARE actually vegan in the wild and that any movies to the contrary (or evidence of your own eyes) has been set up with animals that have been deliberately starved so they'll eat anything.

There really are people who will believe it just because they are told so by someone who acts like they have 'authority'.

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Dastard Stepchild Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:55 PM
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16. HI, I'm a vegan :)
She's not a very good representation of the vegans I know. But then, it wouldn't be very entertaining if she was just a gal that loved tofu, beans and rice and didn't wear leather. Hate when this is the model that is thrown at the public - makes us all out to be a bunch of simpleminded fools.

Anywho... I smell my tempeh cooking, and I'm off to eat....
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:00 PM
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19. I think these shows definitely need to give some kind of explanation
Edited on Mon Nov-29-04 09:02 PM by The Backlash Cometh
on how they pick people, because she was no winner.
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Dastard Stepchild Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:03 PM
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22. And how!
I believe that you fill out an application and then meet with the show reps - I am sure that just like with the Springer show, they're looking for the people that can best make other people squirm. Such is the beauty of reality TV :)
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:58 AM
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41. I think that they pick people
by the most drama they believe the people will create. The vegan wouldn't be representative of the "normal sensitive vegan" because that wouldn't be good tv.
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:57 PM
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17. wow, what an attitude! actually, I have encountered the opposite,
when eating with others I am nervous about the moment they find out I am vegan b/c they inevitably start this defensive tirade about how bad veganism is and meat is wonderful and all I did was ask the waiter if the soup had dairy. I am always quietly announcing my food lifestyle (out of necessity-"what you don't want to try one of my famous BBQ ribs!?") I never have lectured anyone on why my food choices are better than theirs, but 99% of the time meateaters jump all over me defending something they imagine I am thinking.

Just ask Tavalon, when she asked me the other day what kind of food I like when her boyfriend was going to the store, I stuttered and stumbled then hesitantly, apologetically said that I was vegan but don't want to be any trouble, just some plain rice or an apple is great, plus I'm allergic to soy so I feel like a leper sometimes like I'm purposely trying to stir things up. I know there are some self-righteous people who lecture others on their food choices, but IT COMES FROM MEAT AND VEGHEADS ALIKE!
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:03 PM
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23. of course it comes from both sides
You are right. I think this one woman was a shallow judgemental person whether she was a vegan or not.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:04 PM
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24. So true. It's probably worse to eat with someone who is
knowledgeable on gourmet dishes.
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thedailyshow Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:07 PM
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25. *looks guilty*
I've been guilty of that.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:29 PM
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28. Okay, I'll let you pick the wine, as long as you also pick up the tab.
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:31 PM
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29. Thanks all! It can be a touchy issue, I know, eating is a personal
thing, as well as a social one, so the dynamics can get complex sometimes.

Sorry about the caps at the end, not usually my style. as you can probably figure, I didn't have the most pleasant Thanksgiving. For some reason the "fact" that * won shows that all my liberal ideas are bunk, especially my loony hippie food ideas (???) (according to my family)
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:40 PM
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30. They're going to be craving those hippy ideas very soon/
We need all kinds in this world. The more diverse people are, the better we can adapt to change.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:17 PM
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34. Apologies, Freepless.
I've probably been as boarish. Hope I'm better now!

:)

I and my wife have several vegetarian/vegan friends, and we're having fun finding out what is ok for who, etc...
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:49 AM
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39. It wasn't the diet but the constant condescending-narrow-minded-selfish-
-proselytizing verbal diahhrea which made the vegans look ugly on that show.
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:12 PM
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26. holy shit! I watched the first part of that with my wife last week.
We were rootin' for the Cajuns right away because shes from Lousiana, but I really started digging on them because of that kid! Man he was funnay as hell...

When we were watching it though we brought up the fact that we know vegans like that women. I did a vegan diet for a while along with live food, fruitarian and vegetarian. I finally settled back into a sensible meat eating diet.. I get most of my meat from friends with livestock and hunters these days. Whats weird is that almost all of my hunting friends are mod dems to very liberal. I laugh my ass off when I see a neocon or freeper talking the we got all guns shit.. no you dont buddy, liberals hunt as well. I guess they should have believed what they saw with Kerry in camo.

But uhmm, yeah I thought that too!!
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:15 PM
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27. Best response of that kid's was when she tells him he'll be dead at 40
eating as he does and he just looks at her and goes "the good lord will take me when he takes me."
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:44 AM
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37. Another great line of his. When the surrogate mom-witch asked him
whether he'd eat his dog or his frog, he said he'd eat his frog but not his dog. When she asked why, he said: "A frog's a frog. But a dog's a man's best friend."
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:53 AM
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50. I'd have loved to have had the chance to tell her
about my grandfather who was a meat and potatoes man all his life. A little chili once in a while, maybe spaghetti once a year. Vegetables were those things you fed to the rabbits.

He was 92 when he died.

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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:41 PM
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31. I'm just hoping this isn't a plant to signal to America the yuppies
are intolerant and rigid. The vegan queen reminded me of a born-again. Not all vegans are like her. I've been macrobiotic for 15 years. Let me tell you something about THAT group.

anyhow, I rooted for the cajun family. The dad was superb. Miss Vegan has a burdock root up her arse.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:50 PM
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32. I hope to remember to tune in for the next show.
Seems like a black woman and an older white man who had some strange ideas about living quarters.

If there is a preference for making the "Liberals" look unbearable, I'm sure we'll pick up on it.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:55 PM
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33. The Cajun Mom seeing the poem and then making Vegan Gumbo was awesome
The Vegan Mom was WAY too self-righteous.

And when she abused that poor pup? Sheesh.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:18 AM
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35. You hit on the key points.
I'm like the Cajun mom. I try to be respectful of others, but I also do unto others as they do unto me or when in rome do as the romans do etc.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:41 AM
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36. Those nutcase Vegans are like a cross between fundies and Borgs from
Startrek - out to "assimilate" you.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:46 AM
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38. apparently, the Vegan lady goes to my mother's Unitarian fellowship
she told me that, when she called from California tonight
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 07:33 AM
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51. Do you dare tell her that not even dem liberals seem to like her?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:01 AM
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42. Le bon temps roule!

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 07:34 AM
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52. Oh, man. I had those at a Mardi-Gras wannabe festival in
Fort Lauderdale. God, they are so goooooood.
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:16 AM
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43. that vegan woman
is horrible. Her family are more like hostages. What a hypocrit. Beats their dog for peeing on the floor, smokes and drinks but preachs about eating meat. She has mental problems along with being downright mean. I thought not eating red meat was supposed to make you mellow. It was fascinating. It's a good thing Diana's husband was so polite or the gators might have had some good eatin' in the middle of the night.
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:19 AM
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44. and talk about bad manners
I would never think of berating people for showing up early to a party. a PARTY!!!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 07:36 AM
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53. Some party, eh?
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 07:36 AM by The Backlash Cometh
I would have liked for the relatives to have had a chance to tell us what they thought of her.
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:26 AM
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47. I didn't see it as vegans are bad,
I took it as "jeez, what a bitch" My granddaughter is vegan and has been since age 16. I'm proud of her strength in keeping to her beliefs.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:38 AM
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48. I've drifted off and on
from being a vegetarian. I've known people that try to push their diet beliefs on others and I've found those people (both vegetarians and non vegetarians) to be annoying.

Why do people care so much if others eat meat or not? To me it makes no sense at all.

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