DUers Unpatriotic ... Rightwingnews.com

[Nomad559]

I was doing some research and found this link. :evilgrin:

Can We Call You Unpatriotic Now That You're Rooting For Your Own Country To Lose A War?

http://www.rightwingnews.com/crackpots/dem4iraq.php



States that Bartcop has a warped perception. :evilgrin:

Bartcop Shows What 'Mainstream' Leftism Is About These Days

http://www.rightwingnews.com/

[grytpype]

1. Here's my response:

My country does not go around bombing the shit out of helpless, harmless nations and killing tens of thousands of people for no damned reason whatsoever.

Bush's America is not my America.

[LuLu550]

2. hear hear!

Our view is closer to what the framers of the consitution had in mind, don't you think?!

[VOX]

11. Well said, word for word.

Thanks. :toast:

[Don_G]

3. Considering The Source

From a group that believes the Onion is a more accurate source of information than the LA Times or The Washington Post?

I kid you not---it was posted in the Free Republic today after the Onion threatened them for copyright violations.

[Champion Jack]

4. Patriotism means to stand by the country

"It does not mean to stand
by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the
degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to
support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is
unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency
or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either
event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the
president or anyone else."
~ Theodore Roosevelt

[ornotna]

5. Go figure

They have a link....Humor(war)
Ha Ha Ha *wiping a tear* War is so funny.

[jiacinto]

6. I do think it is wrong to root for Iraq and hope that the

Americans lose. That is wrong.

The fact that some DUers refuse to support the troops and openly cheer Iraq offends me. It really does.

[Blue_Chill]

8. I agree 100%

Those DUers are anti-american and I don't mean that in the Ann Coulter definition of the term. To actually root for your soldiers to be defeated, thus meaning killed in large numbers, is disgusting.

[jiacinto]

9. I agree with you

It is digusting.

[Violet_Crumble]

16. Yes, let's all cheer for the slaughter of dem brown folk...

Because using the logic you've just agreed with, that's what yr proud of doing. What's disgusting is watching the US invade another country illegally and then seeing the torrent of 'yr either with us or against us' nonsense spewed by those who like to wrap themselves in the US flag and not think too deeply. Obviously you place the lives of Americans over that of Iraqis, but there's a lot of people who think their lives are equally important...


Violet...

[VermontDem2004]

17. I agree

I am not really rooting for anyone, the US Army is not a football team. I value human life as all the same, I am not rooting for US Soldiers to be killed but I am also not rooting for Iraqi soldiers to get killed either. Maybe that is anti-american then so be it, the fact that I am an American doesn't make me more valuable then some kid in India imo.

[jiacinto]

18. Wait a second

I am not supporting the death of innocent Iraqis, but I am proud to be an American. And I do support the troops. Shame on you for not supporting the troops.

[Blue_Chill]

19. If they are equally important as you say

then you would not support a US defeat in Iraq. That would mean many US casualties. If life to you is equally important then you would support a end to the war.

If this is the case then we have no problem with you. Carlos and I are spekaing of those that seem to cheer when something horrible happens to US service men and women. Big difference.

[BeFree]

20. So, you and carlos are going to sign up, right?

Good. Go over to Iraq. See what it's all about. You two need an education in the realities of life. Be an Army of one, and then get back to us.

BTW: show us more than one example of DU cheers going up when something horrible happens to US servicemen.

[ProfessorGAC]

21. That's What I'd Like To See Too, BeFree

I'd like some specific examples of those who cheer about soldiers getting killed. Seems these two get on their high horse anytime someone criticizes the military campaign, as if one can't criticize policy without condemning the policy tools.

It's patently obvious, to me, that the criticism is targeting the policy not the soliders, but these two DU'ers refuse to read carefully enough to notice that.
The Professor

[BeFree]

23. Hate to say it, Professor

But these two are an embarassment to the fine doings on DU. I have debated with both of them on occassion, as have many others, and, imo, they lack knowledge and understanding. As you say "...these two... refuse to read..."

[Blue_Chill]

25. Remind me again

on what topic you and I have encountered eachother?

[Blue_Chill]

24. You accuse others of getting on a high horse? lol that's rich.

I have no problem at all with those that criticize policy being that I was against this damn war from the start. I told everyone that wuld listen that this war was being entered without a solid exit plan and that the result of this war would not help the US in any way. In fact it would only cause more problems.

As for the specific examples I will not provide names as I know for certain that you have seen the posts of which I speak. You and others have seen threads where "Iraqi freedom fighters" are applauded for resisting (killing) the evil Americans so please don't play dumb.

[Blue_Chill]

26. Strawman

Nice try, stay on topic please or don't bother annoying me.

[Swede]

7. Let's drop some 2000 lb pounds in a city of five million (brown) people

I bet there won't be more than two or three collatoral deaths.

[TreasonousBastard]

10. Short answer...

Fuck 'em.

Longer answer...

They are completely missing the point of Catwoman's post.

Should no one have spoken up when we invaded Nicaragua a century ago for the sake of United Fruit?

Should no one have spoken up when we went to war with Spain to get Cuba and the Phillipines?

Should no one have spoken up when we went to war with Native Americans to break our treaties and steal their lands?

Should no German have spoken up when they invaded Poland?

Should no Japanese have spoken up when they invaded Manchuria?

Should we not now speak up at another illegal, immoral, and imperialistic war?

Speaking out against such an outrage is the strongest support of our troops-- who sacrifice to defend us, not make profits for Exxon and Halliburton.

Some called me a treasonous bastard for speaking out against them, and if it be treason, a treasonous bastard I shall proudly be.

[Solly Mack]

12. Oh, fuck them and those who agree with them

I stand by what I said...and my husband is in Iraq. I do not support the invasion of Iraq.

The blood of Iraqi and American alike is on Bush' head...and America can't keep invading and taking what it wants from others...not without paying an awful price...and that price is everyone's blood BUT the loud-mouth blowhard armchair rangers and south lawn fighter-pilots who couldn't do my husband's job in their Walter Mitty wet dreams. So fuck off!...and did I mention Fuck Them?

[Gore1FL]

13. Who is rooting to lose a war?

I was rooting to not have one.

I wasn't the one who wanted this folly
I wasn't the one who lied to put soldiers in harms way

I have no deisre to lose the war in Iraq. I have no desire to be in Iraq at all.

I have especially no desire to lose the ignored war on terrorism, which the US has all but withdrawn from so that we could attack Iraq under it's guise.

Right wing venom is ripping the country apart. The rift is there because they couldn't handle losing to Clinton. They can't win on issues, so they turn the dialog into a professional wrestling shouting match in order to win the hearts and mionds of the ignorant.

[ikojo]

14. When accused of being "unpatriotic" or "anti American"

I assume that the accuser would also accuse George Washington of being "unpatriotic." After all THAT GW was also against the policies and the government of HIS time, as were Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson.

Also, these right-wingers accusing DUers of being anti American have an extremely flimsy foundation on which to stand...THEY and their kind spent EIGHT years calling Bill Clinton everything but a human being. They worked endlessly against his government. I don't recall they or their leaders supporting actions in Kosovo or Somalia. As a matter of fact Clinton was roundly criticized for those wars.

Oh the double standard!



:mad:

[moof]

15. War ??? What War ?

Perhaps you could state the number of the bill passed by congress that declares a state of war exists.

[BeFree]

22. Hmmmm...

Rightwingnews.com.... could we get any better propaganda than that?

I was proud to read the comments from DU'ers on that site. Reasonable and thoughtful comments all. Thanks!